Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I mean we already had double digit inflation.

This is all the more reason that America cannot survive as a national entity with the IC, State Department and political leadership in the hands that they're in.

We should be doing everything in our power to abandon Europe to a fate it created and quite frankly deserves, not servicing the blood thirsty needs of literal satanic bureaucrats and spooks who get off on the idea of another generation of young Americans being maimed and addicted to opioids for nonsense.

 

[Agent23]

This is all the more reason that America cannot survive as a national entity with the IC, State Department and political leadership in the hands that they're in.

We should be doing everything in our power to abandon Europe to a fate it created and quite frankly deserves, not servicing the blood thirsty needs of literal satanic bureaucrats and spooks who get off on the idea of another generation of young Americans being maimed and addicted to opioids for nonsense.

Part of what keeps the dollar as the world's reserve currency and thus lets you print and borrow as much as you want is probably the power projection and near-peer competitor sabotage you constantly do.
Although even if you continue with your attempts to preserve hegemony you will probably still lose reserve currency status.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

When a large amount of people in the military have been calling this for a while n9w, yall didn't believe. Now I am the villain

No, you're the villain because you admit you work in intel (Which automatically makes you an agent of the Globalists in the eyes of a lot of people) and you wanted this to happen.

You think the death of 120,000,000 Americans is an acceptable price for your personal honor.


Your leaders have enfeebled the military where it is full of catamites and groomers, HRT dependent fat asses and a wide assortment of other grotesques who care more about policy than service. We will be destroyed militarily in Europe and then they will obliterate every major American city and you won't be able to do a damn thing to stop it.

We're on the road to national extinction because of people like you.

Part of what keeps the dollar as the world's reserve currency and thus lets you print and borrow as much as you want is probably the power projection and near-peer competitor sabotage you constantly do.
Although even if you continue with your attempts to preserve hegemony you will probably still lose reserve currency status.

The thing is the US could have stopped this with softpower, well before it happened. But the Chinese puppet in the white house did everything he could to neuter that capacity.

 

[Zachowon]

No, you're the villain because you work in intel (Which automatically makes you an agent of the Globalists in the eyes of a lot of people) and you wanted this to happen.

You think the death of 120,000,000 Americans is an acceptable price for your personal honor.


Your leaders have enfeebled the military where it is full of catamites and groomers, HRT dependent fat asses who care more about policy than service. We will be destroyed militarily in Europe and then they will obliterate every major American city and you won't be able to do a damn thing to stop it.

We're on the road to national extinction because of people like you.




The thing is the US could have stopped this with softpower, well before it happened. But the Chinese puppet in the white house did everything he could to neuter that capacity.

I called this shit before people seemed to start caring.
And I don't want 120 million to die.
I just want Russia to burn.
I want our president to be humiliated and kicked out and I can't wait for the elections this year

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I called this shit before people seemed to start caring.
And I don't want 120 million to die.
I just want Russia to burn.
I want our president to be humiliated and kicked out and I can't wait for the elections this year

Guess what.

Russia won't burn.

We'll lose this war worse than we've lost any other

And the only one who benefits is sitting in fucking Beijing laughing his fat ass off as the good Gweilos on all sides dance to his theme like puppets on a string..

edit- The Eternal Han is the enemy, not the Slav ...Leave the crumbling empire with designated shitting igloos alone and focus on Beijing.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

It's also not about the threat today, or tomorrow, but the threat ten or fifteen years down the road.

The Russia of ten to fifteen years from now is not going to be ABLE to take Ukraine in a conventional war. The Russian demographic picture and educational system is THAT bad.

They can't even rely on ICBM's as long term deterrence. Imagine a Starlink sized constellation except made up of Starwars missile defense satellites. The technology for an actual, effective, ABM shield did not exist back in the Cold War. It didn't even exist ten years ago at anything like a viable price point. It will be a viable project for the US military within the next five years.

US military equipment, doctrine, and capability is across the board at least two generations ahead of Russia. The next generation of US military capability is going to be less an iterative improvement and more a transformative improvement. True coordinate, combined arms, operations on a global scale with real time and seamless interconnection with everything from the individual soldier on the ground all the way up to strategic weapons systems and connected to everything from real time satellite surveillance to social media posts.

Russia has two hundred thousand troops in Ukraine right now and, today, without going nuclear the US could effectively destroy that entire army within a week of the order being given. Now fast forward a generation to when the US has the credible ability to neutralize Russia's strategic nuclear forces.

So Russia moves today, they secure critical choke points today. They suffer the political and economic consequences today. They spend the military equipment today. So that in fifteen to twenty years, the status quo is that the post expansion borders are the Russian borders as far as the world is concerned. They fortify the critical choke points that they can credibly defend against any European or Turkish adventurism, and need an army an order of magnitude smaller than what they have today.

Put an army of artillery to cover the Bessarabian Gap and Russia does not have to worry about a resurgent Ottoman Empire/Turkey. On the other hand, fail to hold Turkey at the Gap and Russia has virtually no critical choke points to attempt to block an army moving North.

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The current world order is ending. Global demographics and economics make that basically inevitable. Russia is moving now to position itself for THAT future situation.

Take the Ukraine situation right now. What happens when Russia decides to turn off oil and gas flows to Europe and tells Germany that the price for getting them back (via Nord Stream/Nord Stream 2) is Russia screwing over the EU/NATO?

Russia has a great many critical commodities that a great deal of the world is reliant on. You think that the Middle East, for example, is going to stand firm when they are faced with food riots because they lost Russian & Ukrainian agricultural exports?

 

[GoldRanger]

It took the US 3 weeks to beat Iraq and 1 week to mop up the remaining formations against an enemy that largely said nope and deserted.

That is pretty fast in terms of military operations.

As it is, the Russians are holding roughly the same percentage of Ukraine as the US held in the 11th day and are facing a foe that is fighting. But the operational picture remains unchanged. The Russians still have UkA pocketed in the North East, Kyiv under siege from 2 axis, and the UkA is unable to extricate their Donbas and Kharkiv fronts from combat. And the South Front is strangling the ability of Ukraine's economy to even function.

The Russians gave themselves a minimum of 15 days to defeat the Ukrainians, who to their credit are willing to fight, but even if the Ukrainians hold out as long as Iraq did, the Russians would still have done better than the US did as it would have defeated a Peer Industrial State with the same force ratios while employing less firepower, and against far greater resistance than the US did.

LOL so now the goalposts have moved to "a month = quick"? didn't you admire the Georgians for lasting a whooping... 11 days, was it? Against the Russians?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I dont know how much longer demographics = destiny is gonna be in play, given we are rapidly approaching a point where technilogy will augment the working man to a degree that most don't realize. Especially the idiots pushing for a fully automated world.

While I do think the US hegemony as we know it is over. I think it'll likely end up reasserting itself in a new and more elastic form in whatever comes ahead.

I mean assuming we don't get blasted into charcoal by Putin which seems like a very inevitable possibility now.

 

[Sailor.X]

They should taken their initial bitchslaps in 2014 as a lesson to stay neutral and below Putin's radar just like Georgia did after 2008.

Putin gave them every single chance to stay neutral. They didn't take the hint and now Putin is going to de bellatio them and send a clearer message to everyone, don't fuck with me, don't cross my red lines, or else.

This post this post right here is what is wrong with the Russian Support side. This attitude should have been left in the dust bind of the 20th Century and Colonialism. Not the 21st Century. Ukraine is a Sovereign Nation. It had and has the right to chart it's own coarse. No country has the right to tell another you can't ally with this group or do this or that when they aren't fucking with anyone and aren't harming anyone. Putin is evil and what goes around comes around. He will reap what he has sown over the years.

 

[Chiron]

This post this post right here is what is wrong with the Russian Support side. This attitude should have been left in the dust bind of the 20th Century and Colonialism. Not the 21st Century. Ukraine is a Sovereign Nation. It had and has the right to chart it's own coarse. No country has the right to tell another you can't ally with this group or do this or that when they aren't fucking wiht anyone and aren't harming anyone. Putin is evil and what goes around comes around. He will reap what he has sown over the years.

Newsflash the US didn't abandon it and fought multiple wars to enforce its hegemony. Russia will not tolerate a dagger at its throat which a NATO with Ukraine in it would represent.

All Ukraine had to do was lay low like Georgia and keep its mouth shut till Russia croaks from demography.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

This post this post right here is what is wrong with the Russian Support side. This attitude should have been left in the dust bind of the 20th Century and Colonialism. Not the 21st Century. Ukraine is a Sovereign Nation. It had and has the right to chart it's own coarse. No country has the right to tell another you can't ally with this group or do this or that when they aren't fucking wiht anyone and aren't harming anyone. Putin is evil and what goes around comes around. He will reap what he has sown over the years.

Rights do not exist in international relations or the interactions of sovereign powers.

The only two factors that matter are ability and will.

The US certainly doesn't allow nations to "chart their own course" or give a solitary damn about the opinions of other nations when it comes to US interests.

IR is about power and will, nothing more or less. If Russia has the power and will to stop Ukraine from doing something, then that's really all that matters at the end of the day.

The US gets to pull the shit it does because it has the power and will to do so. The same applies to every other nation on the planet.

 

[Sailor.X]

Newsflash the US didn't abandon it and fought multiple wars to enforce its hegemony. Russia will not tolerate a dagger at its throat which a NATO with Ukraine in it would represent.

All Ukraine had to do was lay low like Georgia and keep its mouth shut till Russia croaks from demography.

Last time I checked The Cuban Government hates the US and it is still not destroyed by an overwhelming use of US firepower. Even after the Cuban Missile crisis we still didn't invade and conquer it for security. So no the US does not invade countries on it's borders in the 21st Century.

 

[Chiron]

LOL so now the goalposts have moved to "a month = quick"? didn't you admire the Georgians for lasting a whooping... 11 days, was it? Against the Russians?

The crux of my argument was that Ukrainian Resistance was futile, they were crippled operationally in the first day when Chernobyl fell and Antonov Airport was seized. That prevented them from bottling the Russian Forces in the Pripyat Marshes and from stopping the operational encirclements of the North East UkA forces.

That right there meant they could never do more than launch local counter attacks which are irrelevant at the operational level. Each day they fight, means they lose more and more leverage to negotiate and the Russians tighten the screws even more.

 

[Chiron]

Last time I checked The Cuban Government hates the US and it is still not destroyed by an overwhelming use of US firepower. Even after the Cuban Missile crisis we still didn't invade and conquer it for security. So no the US does not invade countries on it's borders in the 21st Century.

We still hold Guantanamo Bay and have it under an embargo. And the only reason we never invaded it is because the Soviets had already landed the nukes and both sides agreed to face saving terms in a back door deal.

 

[Sailor.X]

We still hold Guantanamo Bay and have it under an embargo. And the only reason we never invaded it is because the Soviets had already landed the nukes and both sides agreed to face saving terms in a back door deal.

The Soviet Union does not exist anymore. Unless you are saying Russia is still under obligation to act like the Soviet Union.

 

[prinCZess]

Last time I checked The Cuban Government hates the US and it is still not destroyed by an overwhelming use of US firepower. Even after the Cuban Missile crisis we still didn't invade and conquer it for security. So no the US does not invade countries on it's borders in the 21st Century.

In fairness, the case can be made with a good bit of justification that this is because America's leaders since the collapse of the Soviet Union have valued their own pocketbooks, reelection prospects, and/or ever-fleeting and fickle global opinion more than they have US security or sovereignty (see, for instance, the last three-four decades of American immigration debate or the ongoing relationship and sucking-up to the PRC).

 

[Husky_Khan]

Russians With Attitude Also Blocked Me Without Any Reason... Maybe because I sub to Alternate History Hub... or liked his posts?



Now I know what it's like to be sanctioned by an entity on the other side of the world for mere association.

 

[Sailor.X]

Yeah. But they wanted to have the 40m population to welcome them
The population diffrence is huge

Makes me wonder if this keeps happening if Poland or another Nato country on it's own just goes fuck it and attacks the Russian forces with Airpower.

 

[Sailor.X]

Well I think originally they wanted to take Ukraine intact turning cities into rubble is counterproductive.

I do wonder if some of the rank and file Russian Troops are beginning to think this.

 

[Floridaman]

Makes me wonder if this keeps happening if Poland or another Nato country on it's own just goes fuck it and attacks the Russian forces with Airpower.

Then we get ww3, and the nukes fly.