In what treaty did Ukraine promise to be neutral and what was it given in return?
I think i have a solution to that problem, but Russia won't like it.
"Neutral" is code in Russian diplomatic speak. It means subordinate to Russia. It's funny how they never, ever complain about any of their much loved properly "neutral" countries having too close deals with Russia itself. Neutral like my ass.
You're delusional if you think no soul is going to look at "military organization made for exclusive purpose of "containing" the government we stopped being a decade ago takes in countries with a direct land border to us" as a serious threat.
After the US already broke that treaty by piling on conditional foreign aid. There's more to the terms than naked force, and the Western elite's ego-stroking bullshit revolves incredibly much around doing all manner of things just short of it.
It did, however, get up to an incredible amount of economic shenanigans with all sorts of places to try and bludgeon them in line. EU demanding rejection of US food aid for being GMOs as a condition for its own, for example.
Budapest Memorandum is the main one, and in return was a bunch of security promises that neither side respected by 2014. The US casually shat all over any notion of sovereignty by playing games with foreign aid, Russia went after the threat to its energy monopoly in Crimea shortly after it became visible.
Because Russia historically had formal subjects or larger direct borders to give it year-round access to waters in the region, which the collapse of the USSR ended. Declaring Kaliningrad part of Russia proper locked in this rather major strategic consideration. Otherwise the Baltic fleet is stuck in ice for months.
Because Russia's soft power is incredibly limited and specific, whereas NATO has "will force African countries to starve over abstract intellectual property rights" level bullshit going on.
And the Western elite need to learn that soft power is not magically more righteous than hard, and countries being forced into a corner with it are liable to get out the bag of hammers to demonstrate the point.
Where the hell does Budapest Memorandum contain that promise?
Screw Baltic Fleet. It didn't always have that. Landlocked countries somehow exist and live.
Their problem that they have invested resources the way they did, and neglected investing in the lower levels of the escalation ladder.
Some forms of it have to be unless you want to get rid of the whole idea of westphalian sovereignty in favor of something else (hint: Russia does, sovereignty for wannabe empires only, the rest can be divided into "spheres of influence").
Shut up, you're the debil, butting into other people's conversations without anything to add except insults. I've seen drunken hobos behaving in a more cultured manner than you.
Translation, you are obsessed with spewing your heavily biased talking points and you will spam a meme thread like mad if somebody disagrees with you.
Mirror...
Should have thought about that before you did.
Again, mirror is calling.
Lol, and you call me the autist.
You are the one throwing a hissy fit about memes and about a joke I made, in a meme thread, you are also reeing up a storm in that same meme thread.
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Qualifies as a joke now? In what world? That's just you whining, it's not funny, it's pathetic.
Then why do you show up here to whine? No one mentioned, tagged or quoted you. I see nothing here except more projecting from you.in a meme thread, you are also reeing up a storm in that same meme thread.
You need a reality check, dude.
Maybe meds, too, the type a shrink would proscribe. We really need Russia Derangement Syndrome to be added to the list of dangerous psychotic conditions by the WHO.
Point 3, "The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principals of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind"
The price set for the goods one produces is rather different from "Hey, you know that law we passed saying we'd give you money for nothing in return? Do this or we're cutting that money off". The latter is the shittery that the West's soft power runs on.
You seem to be assuming I'm 100% in favor of everything Russia is doing, rather than criticizing NATO for doing seemingly every single thing other than outright military actions to force Russia into as small a corner as possible, including constantly expanding the threat of such if Russia ever dares to try using military action to maintain its previous positions.
Demanding it be removed when previously present for centuries, however, is a quite strong attempt at crippling them that demands some rather major impetus.
They shuffled things around the entire USSR such that they literally do not have the resources on their own to furnish the full ladder. The last step or two are the most important because it's also the steps that keep China from barging into Siberia.
Given how much of it is entirely about doing away with Westphalian Sovereignty in favor of unrestricted economic homogenization by a wide array of back-room deals and sanctions and international bodies vetoing the decisions of individual states, across literally the entire world, I don't see how NATO countries have the high ground.
DebilZov is an obvious play on the name of one of the neonazi battalions you guys route for, Azov, which was surprise surprise, also named after the sea of Azov, which is a woter body that can overflow.
Maybe because I like memes and I came here to see some, not go through 50 pages of your tirades, although it looks like WolfieBoi started the flame war.
This war has awakened an East Slavic sense of martyrdom similar to what of World War II, unfortunately. 
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Impoverishment and corruption? That's exactly what they have now, and getting out of it, as the case studies of post communist countries demonstrate, is a very slow process without guaranteed success date?Yep.
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However, if the war is lost, all bets are off. In that case, a color revolution in which pro-Western liberals take power, a return to the "roving banditry" of the 1990s and Russia's permanent transformation into an impoverished economic colony of the West becomes highly likely.
Why exactly must Russia's fate as a Western appendage (in the event of a loss and a subsequent color revolution) be that of chronic corruption and impoverishment?
Small, highly cohesive country, with unusually religious subgroups contributing to that TFR disporportionally, while still being culturally related to the other part of the country that produces said elite science.
Well if they insist, they can have North Korea/Iran style "prestige\military piece" outdated space program, and a bunch of Chechens and company bumping up the TFR.
Elite science requires either elite prestige (which takes time, politics and money) or top shelf high tech toys in more "material" elite science even if you have smart people (Intermarium doesn't have this kind of money to spare and won't have for a hundred years after dealing with all the mess communism left). We can check how much money it takes to prototype things like next generation nuclear reactors, SSTO spacecraft or top quality computer chips, those are truly eye watering sums, even if you have the right business environment and expert workforce, without the funding, womp womp. It's notable that quite a few countries get into that territory or expand their presence there through some direct or indirect fallout of high military spending.\ I don't know about the lots of elite science production part since Intermarium doesn't appear to produce much elite science either in spite of it being a part of the West:
Science Production
Long-time readers will know that I am a fan of The Nature Index for tracking global scientometrics. Unlike raw numbers of articles published, it automatically adjusts for quality, since only submissions to elite journals are counted. In my previous longread on the subject, I presented a per...www.unz.com
