Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Carrot of Truth]

I hope all these supply chains being shot to hell can force the US to rebuild its own manufacturing.

 

[Zachowon]

Mexico is a 2nd World Group along with Brazil, Vietnam, North Korea, and till relatively recently Turkey and China. And of these Vietnam and China beat the US on the field of battle and forced it to the table.

Iraq's Army was nowhere near these nations in capability. It was effectively a 3rd world militia in effectiveness.



We know full well why. All prior drills the Russians confiscated cellphones, used encrypted comms and had full logistical support and Ukraine called up reserves.

This last drill before Russia invaded, the Eastern Divisions were brought up, they were given unencrypted radios, weak logistical support, allowed to keep their cell phones and were posting on social media.

Zelensky who had had seen numerous Russian Drill by now and the UkA High Command as well, took a look at the sloppy drill of the Eastern Divisions and their complete unprofessional postings on Social Media and concluded Putin was sabre rattling.

What Western Intelligence thought is irrelevant, the Russians only had to fool one person: Zelensky who alone had the authority to call up the reserves. They succeeded and gained complete operational surprise.



Russians don't fight that way and its irrelevant at the operational level they work at. So what if Ukraine has successful local counter-attacks against the Eastern Divisions? They got pocketed and unable to actually stop the operational encirclement of Chernikiv and soon Kyiv. By committing them to battle as they did, Kyiv sacrificed its best troops with which to form the core of a Corps level counter-attack that could have actually knocked the Russians back and enabled them the ability to extract their best troops from Donbas and get them behind the Dnieper where they could form the Core of an Army level counter attack to retake the East.

Now that window is gone and they do not have the time to do more than keep an escape route open from their capital with whatever scratch forces they can get together from the reserves. And that is just frittering them away piecemeal.

That you don't understand this shows what an incompetent analyst you are and that you drank your own Kool-Aide.



Yeah and if Putin had done that, the Ukrainians would have mobilized all it reserves, made the cities fortresses, and the fighting would have bogged down into a series of sieges that would have sent deaths on both sides soaring.

Sorry but Putin is not playing that game, he is going for a relatively quick campaign of operational encirclements that pocket the bulk of UkA Forces from their supplies and forces their operational surrenders.

That way fewer people die and there is less he has to rebuild later plus less of a core to form guerrilla movements from as he can screen out the hardcores and ship them to Siberia.



The US lost the Iraq War, Iran took over the nation under your nose, got you to pay for it, and openly looted your military aide and shipped it to Syria to use against the Rebels.

And the US lost Afghanistan on top of that.



The VDV mission was a success, they held till relieved and forced Kyiv to fritter away an entire SOF company to no purpose and prevented Kyiv from sending units to bust escape corridors open to the pocketed troops in the North East of the Country.

Kyiv is dancing to Putin's tune, not their own.

Do everyone a favor and stop drinking your Kool-Aide. The US military is incapable of winning wars and is incapable of fighting mass maneuver warfare with a peer competitor.

Huh...
I guess real-life isn't what you think it is.

The US military was almost always victorious in every battle we had in every war since Vietnam.
Korea is the exception because we were facing more Chinese then we had ammo for, and had to fall back because lack of ammo.

You have absolutely no idea how the US military works.
If you did you would be kicking yourself in the butt. This is literally my field of work.

You mean how we are constantly kicking any and all ISIS butts in Iraq and are literally only under threat from IDF and Iran? How did we lose? Because Iran has to do what they have been doing with proxy wars? Fail horribly?

The US has lost less military in its entire 20 years facing the middle east compared to the amount Russia has lost against Ukraine. Almost like they are fighting people that don't want to be ruled by Russia.

So Putins plan is to lose entire planes and battalions worth of VDV. Lose multiple Spetsnaz teams, lose thousands of vics, and embarrass himself?

We never lost a-stan militarily. We lost politically.

I meam, Syria doesn't seem to be doing all to well woth what they get from america..America...
Which is nothing because they seem to enjoy what Assad gives, which is Russian....

 

[Husky_Khan]

I hope all these supply chains being shot to hell can force the US to rebuild its own manufacturing.

Neon is typically harvested as a byproduct of steel manufacturing and the article states that 90% of US supply of Neon comes from Ukraine. It's apparently 34-40% of the worldwide total. Half or so when Russia is tossed in.



So yeah it would encourage a reinvestment into American Manufacturing.

Though apparently the supply shock in this resource might be less then in 2014.

Oh and random War Porn.



Life Goals!

 

[Floridaman]

I hope all these supply chains being shot to hell can force the US to rebuild its own manufacturing.

Hahaha, yeah right. Our ”leaders” will just send it to the next 3rd world country.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Hahaha, yeah right. Our ”leaders” will just send it to the next 3rd world country.

Well the Semiconductor shortage caused some initiatives to diversify chip manufacture beyond Taiwan.

And thanks to the Bush Administration push for privatizing parts of the Space Program and nerds like Elon Musk we're not beholden to using broomsticks for rocket manufacture so who knows?

Steel is more basic then the above two though. So your probably right. But it'll probably be a second world country like how US Steel built stuff in Slovakia. Hopefully they don't get invaded...

 

[Chiron]

Huh...
I guess real-life isn't what you think it is.

The US military was almost always victorious in every battle we had in every war since Vietnam.
Korea is the exception because we were facing more Chinese then we had ammo for, and had to fall back because lack of ammo.

You have absolutely no idea how the US military works.
If you did you would be kicking yourself in the butt. This is literally my field of work.

You mean how we are constantly kicking any and all ISIS butts in Iraq and are literally only under threat from IDF and Iran? How did we lose? Because Iran has to do what they have been doing with proxy wars? Fail horribly?

The US has lost less military in its entire 20 years facing the middle east compared to the amount Russia has lost against Ukraine. Almost like they are fighting people that don't want to be ruled by Russia.

So Putins plan is to lose entire planes and battalions worth of VDV. Lose multiple Spetsnaz teams, lose thousands of vics, and embarrass himself?

We never lost a-stan militarily. We lost politically.

I meam, Syria doesn't seem to be doing all to well woth what they get from america..America...
Which is nothing because they seem to enjoy what Assad gives, which is Russian....

Folks, this is why the US doesn't win wars. Zachowon is clearly not an adult capable of an adult conversation and his advice will get people killed.

But I will give him one last chance:

Zachowon:

Who is currently in control of Afghanistan?

Who is currently running Iraq and Syria?

And how did this all occur right under the US Military's nose, wasting all their sacrifices? And no, you don't get to blame the political leadership because then, why did you not resign then as you would have been morally and ethically required to do so?

I will wait, but its clear you are too far gone and once the MAGA alliance retakes the Government, top priority must be given to firing you from your position as you are too dangerous of a fool to be holding it. Same for the entire leadership of the US Military as it is incapable of winning wars and taking responsibility for their fuckups.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Guys stop fighting. The Taliban think you are both very pretty.

 

[Agent23]

Folks, this is why the US doesn't win wars. Zachowon is clearly not an adult capable of an adult conversation and his advice will get people killed.

But I will give him one last chance:

Zachowon:

Who is currently in control of Afghanistan?

Who is currently running Iraq and Syria?

And how did this all occur right under the US Military's nose, wasting all their sacrifices? And no, you don't get to blame the political leadership because then, why did you not resign then as you would have been morally and ethically required to do so?

I will wait, but its clear you are too far gone and once the MAGA alliance retakes the Government, top priority must be given to firing you from your position as you are too dangerous of a fool to be holding it. Same for the entire leadership of the US Military as it is incapable of winning wars and taking responsibility for their fuckups.

I think the first thing the MAGA alliance should do is deal with outright traitors, like Alexander Vindman and shoot them for high treason in a time of war.
The guy has been a massive shill for a foreign power, Ukraine, during wartime(While the USA was still in Afghanistan).
I know it is stretching the legal aspect of High Treason, but still.
Same goes for every single neocuck and US war profiteer.
Mr. Shiny toilet cleaner is the 3rd tranche of punishments, he should be made to dig up rare earth in Alaska.

Also, I applaud your endurance for still reading his gibberish. personally I put him on Ignore long ago.

 

[Chiron]

I think the first thing the MAGA alliance should do is deal with outright traitors, like Alexander Vindman and shoot them for high treason in a time of war.
The guy has been a massive shill for a foreign power, Ukraine, during wartime(While the USA was still in Afghanistan).
I know it is stretching the legal aspect of High Treason, but still.
Same goes for every single neocuck and US war profiteer.
Mr. Shiny toilet cleaner is the 3rd tranche of punishments, he should be made to dig up rare earth in Alaska.

Also, I applaud your endurance for still reading his gibberish. personally I put him on Ignore long ago.

I don't block people ever. I believe that people should be allowed to speak and occasionally you will get some signal. Spammers trying to sell me stuff I don't need is another matter along with those who post CP, but that type of stuff I kick to the Admins to handle in a most permanent and brutal way.

 

[Chiron]

Guys stop fighting. The Taliban think you are both very pretty.

Ah I will sneak out the back while Zachowon continues to explain that he didn't lose to them as they steal his clothes, drink his soda, lift his car, and carry off his mistress.

 

[Agent23]

I don't block people ever. I believe that people should be allowed to speak and occasionally you will get some signal. Spammers trying to sell me stuff I don't need is another matter along with those who post CP, but that type of stuff I kick to the Admins to handle in a most permanent and brutal way.

Ah, to be young, and idealistic and in possession of more free time again.

I find him too stupid to talk to, and most of his posts are so unintelligible and full of misspellings that I can feel how they drain my IQ.

Oh, and to make things worse, the USA basically served Afghanistan to China on a silver platter.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

If NATO also applied all its current Russia sanctions to China that would crippled this entire effort. But sadly all our "leaders" are bought and paid for by the PRC.

 

[Agent23]

If NATO also applied all its current Russia sanctions to China that would crippled this entire effort. But sadly all our "leaders" are bought and paid for by the PRC.

It will cripple the USA as well.

15% of all iGarbage is bought by China, they also have a monopoly on rare earths and buy a lot of your agricultural products, they also have much of the supply chain built to maintain that stuff.

If Apple gets hit say bye bye to much of US pension funds and the stock market, that shit is in every index and pension fund in the USA, as well as one of BH's major holdings, and BH is usually listed as one of the mast valuable companies and stands alongside it in many big indices, and I am pretty sure China can and will crush Apple if they decided to.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

It will cripple the USA as well.

15% of all iGarbage is bought by China, they also have a monopoly on rare earths and buy a lot of your agricultural products, they also have much of the supply chain built to maintain that stuff.

If Apple gets hit say bye bye to much of US pension funds and the stock market, that shit is in every index and pension fund in the USA, as well as one of BH's major holdings, and BH is usually listed as one of the mast valuable companies and stands alongside it in many big indices, and I am pretty sure China can and will crush Apple if they decided to.

Well its something that needs to be done sooner rather than later regardless.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Korea is the exception because we were facing more Chinese then we had ammo for, and had to fall back because lack of ammo.

I suggest you read some history of Korean war instead of throwing out jingoistic idiocies like this, US Army official history of the Korean War will do for a start. The only units that had trouble with ammo supply were those that were cut off due to Chinese infiltration tactics.

 

[Scottty]

And let's say that Russia is magically willing to supply all of this. What are they getting paid in? Russia won't accept dollars because they can't use them.

How about in gold?
As in - ingots of shiny yellow metal that get dug out of the ground.

 

[Agent23]

How about in gold?
As in - ingots of shiny yellow metal that get dug out of the ground.

Gold, and silver, and various cryptos like monero that are hard to trace and not overbought.
India is allegedly willing to trade in Rupees and Rubles and Russia can set up a clearing house for currency transactions.
China and Russia already IIRC do some trade in their own currencies.

Between the resources of Russia, China, Central Asia and perhaps India, well something like Autharky might be possible.

That would be IIRC a trade block that would account for a huge percentage of the world's resources and land, as well as maybe 1/3 the people.

 

[Captain X]

 

[Chiron]

I suggest you read some history of Korean war instead of throwing out jingoistic idiocies like this, US Army official history of the Korean War will do for a start. The only units that had trouble with ammo supply were those that were cut off due to Chinese infiltration tactics.

That and the Chinese matched us man for man due to logistics issues. They also only had 1 rifle for every 5 men, 1 MG for every 20 men, 1 mortar for every 100 men, and 1 artillery piece for every 4,000 men. Only thing they had in abundance was grenades and knives.

Oh and did I mention they were largely on foot...

Against a Mechanized US Army with complete air supremacy...

And the Chinese nearly bagged the entire US Army in North Korea and if not for a valiant Turkish Rearguard and poor weather at Chosin, the Korean Peninsula would be run by the North with a rump ROK stationed on Jeju Island.

 

[Bacle]

Huh...
I guess real-life isn't what you think it is.

The US military was almost always victorious in every battle we had in every war since Vietnam.
Korea is the exception because we were facing more Chinese then we had ammo for, and had to fall back because lack of ammo.

You have absolutely no idea how the US military works.
If you did you would be kicking yourself in the butt. This is literally my field of work.

You mean how we are constantly kicking any and all ISIS butts in Iraq and are literally only under threat from IDF and Iran? How did we lose? Because Iran has to do what they have been doing with proxy wars? Fail horribly?

The US has lost less military in its entire 20 years facing the middle east compared to the amount Russia has lost against Ukraine. Almost like they are fighting people that don't want to be ruled by Russia.

So Putins plan is to lose entire planes and battalions worth of VDV. Lose multiple Spetsnaz teams, lose thousands of vics, and embarrass himself?

We never lost a-stan militarily. We lost politically.

I meam, Syria doesn't seem to be doing all to well woth what they get from america..America...
Which is nothing because they seem to enjoy what Assad gives, which is Russian....

Military might means nothing without the corresponding civie leadership competence and focus.

You keep trying to pretend that pure military strength is all that matters, and that 'technically' not losing a conflict since Veitnam actually carries weight with the civie population; it doesn't, and people are tired of the US military's pride and ego causing the US military to think it's own shit doesn't stink.

Also, I will again quote Avasarla here: "Wars are do not end on the battlefield, they end at the negotiating table."