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Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Still better than those guys from Ukrainian rearguard at Krasny Liman who livestreamed their plunge into river.
Well the downside is getting all the Canada's voters who vote for people like Trudeau.Applying imperialist Russian logic to the US and Canada:
The Case for Annexing Canada, by Anatoly Karlin - The Unz Review
archived 8 Jul 2022 02:14:39 UTCarchive.ph
I hate to say it, but they do make annexing Canada sound cool. The thing is, though, that I would never be willing to use force to do it. I don't want to deal with Canuck terrorism or undermine Canucks' right to national self-determination. I'd prefer to slowly poach their human capital instead, though I'd also gladly agree to an economic union if the Canucks themselves actually want this.
If the US wanted Canada, then it should have joined the CPs during WWI. Now that was the golden moment for the US to conquer Canada--and Australia, and New Zealand as well!
Ironically, with some political effort USA probably could make Canada fall apart and get a valuable chunk of the territory without any aggression, and in long term that would cascade into the rest wanting to join too.
This does also put a perspective on how Russian nationalists see themselves - as if they want to be USA, except they have none of the things that make USA so successful in so many areas, and they don't understand it. They got emboldened when they could get away with playing the angle of civilizing force in Middle East and Central Asia (where the shitholes are so bad even Russia can claim that), but they get confused and angry when similar talk gets them only mocking smiles in the more desirable countries on their European border. Where USA has its superpower military, Russia has a hollow imitation of a superpower military. Where USA has its ideology of muh freedom, even if undermined lately, Russia has just crazy talk propaganda and lots of corruption.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Doesn't Ukraine or the specific bunch embedded in the government want back the Crimea?A good article:
Media Support 'Self-Determination' for US Allies, Not Enemies - FAIR
A self-determination claim that accords with Russian interests, and diverges from the US position, is concealed from the public.fair.org
FWIW, I'm not opposed to Crimean and Donbass national self-determination. Rather, what I'm opposed to is having Russia invade the rest of Ukraine in order to acquire its human capital. Had Russia only wanted to protect the Donbass, it could have simply sent its own troops there (as it actually did, in fact, do right before its invasion of the rest of Ukraine) and possibly even annexed it and bombed and destroyed all Ukrainian artillery positions next to the Donbass border. There was absolutely no need for Russia to invade the rest of Ukraine unless its goal was much broader than simply protecting the Donbass.
And FWIW, I think that Ukrainians themselves have, in a specific way, benefitted from Crimea's and the Donbass's loss since this loss ensured that a pro-Russian resurgence in the rest of Ukraine would become impossible due to the huge loss of pro-Russian voters that this secession caused and also due to the alienation of the rest of Ukraine's population from Russia.
Very possibly, Yes. Just like Serbia still hasn't renounced its claim on Kosovo.
The difference being that Serbia has a half decent historical claim to being a victim of foreign conquest followed by colonization/forced assimilation, the land in question still being their homeland, the medieval Serbian kingdom being there, later conquered and "demographically engineered" by Ottoman Empire, in a way being similar to the status of Israel.
Crimea on the other hand was never ruled by Moscow until late 18th century, and even if you want to argue continuity with Kievan Rus, that goes only for parts of Crimea in Medieval era, and relatively short time at that - as indicated by the fact that Russian demographic majority in Crimea was never a thing until WW2, and even that only was a thing due to Stalin's forced population movements. Turkey and historical Mediterranean powers have at least equally good claims to it, just no current day means and/or will to pursue such claims aggressively, which Russia happens to have.
Crimea on the other hand was never ruled by Moscow until late 18th century, and even if you want to argue continuity with Kievan Rus, that goes only for parts of Crimea in Medieval era, and relatively short time at that - as indicated by the fact that Russian demographic majority in Crimea was never a thing until WW2, and even that only was a thing due to Stalin's forced population movements. Turkey and historical Mediterranean powers have at least equally good claims to it, just no current day means and/or will to pursue such claims aggressively, which Russia happens to have.
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Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Greece would theoretically have ok claims, but very old, and they lack the means to pursue them and benefit from it. Considering the Greco-Roman history in general, getting the whole EU in on it would be slightly more realistic. Add Turkish interests and both their and Ukraine's more or less distant aspirations to join the EU, and what might be under the waters around Crimea, it could actually be a kinda interesting idea for some kind of special economic zone if handled well, getting big money to flow into the region. It would also be an easy sell for the locals, even more so than Russia's Soviet era concept of turning the place into a combination of military base and R&R complex for it.Crimea for Greece?
America's top anti-war think tank is fracturing over Ukraine.
An internal battle over the US response to Russia prompts resignations from the Quincy Institute.
www.motherjones.com
What Putin Has Said About Russia Taking Back Alaska
Multiple Russian officials have recently alluded to potentially reclaiming Alaska because of U.S. sanctions, a move discussed by Vladimir Putin in 2014.
www.newsweek.com
Multiple Russian Soldiers Detained for Refusing to Fight in Putin's War
The servicemen were locked up after they refused to continue to participate in the invasion of Ukraine and tried to terminate their contracts, their lawyer said.
www.newsweek.com
Guess they got confused and thought that organizations calling themselves anti-war are simply against all war, not just against western countries taking part in wars and especially for own interests against anti-western countries. Seems like the heritage of Soviet connections of such circles (and perhaps infiltration too?) is still worth something.America's top anti-war think tank is fracturing over Ukraine.
An internal battle over the US response to Russia prompts resignations from the Quincy Institute.
Sort-of similar to how the Soviet Union claimed to be an anti-imperialist power while in reality being one of the biggest imperialist powers out there?
Crimea for Greece?
A Turkish Crimea sounds fun lol. Greece is harder because it lacks direct access to the Black Sea. And Crimea was something like 1/3 Muslim or even more than that as late as 1897, so ...
FWIW, the Inquiry, a group that US President Woodrow Wilson created to help guide US policies in determining the post-World War I peace settlement, actually advocated giving Crimea to Ukraine:
Greece and Italy have direct access to Black Sea through the EU ports of Romania and Bulgaria, and are entitled to freedom of navigation through Turkey's straits too.
Gotcha.
Anyway, FWIW, there actually was a sizable Italian community in Crimea in the past:
Faith and a media icon: Newsweek's unconventional new owners | Magazines | The GuardianWhat Putin Has Said About Russia Taking Back Alaska
Multiple Russian officials have recently alluded to potentially reclaiming Alaska because of U.S. sanctions, a move discussed by Vladimir Putin in 2014.
Multiple Russian Soldiers Detained for Refusing to Fight in Putin's War
The servicemen were locked up after they refused to continue to participate in the invasion of Ukraine and tried to terminate their contracts, their lawyer said.
Davis, a Californian electrical engineering graduate, is IBT Media’s chief content officer. Uzac, a French-South African economist, is its chief executive. The smartly suited pair have a confident sales pitch for the firm and are pursuing an aggressive expansion plan. They say that their online media outlets already reach 40 million unique users a month.
"But they come with a backstory that is unusual for the mainstream media. The pair started their company in 2006 reportedly after meeting via Christian fellowships, and have frequently been the subject of reports linking them to David Jang, a controversial Korean pastor who is also the founder of Olivet University, an evangelical school based in San Francisco, California."
David Jang - Wikipedia
In 2014, a Mother Jones story documented that former religious followers of Mr. Jang said that they were recruited from China and brought to the U.S. on student visas to study at Olivet University, but spent most of their time working illegally, for very little pay, churning out clickbait for the International Business Times, which was started in 2006 by two of David Jang’s followers, Etienne Uzac and Johnathan Davis.[23]
In 2018, the Manhattan District Attorney charged it in a fraud and money laundering scheme. Olivet pled guilty to several charges and paid a $1.25 million fine. Tracy Davis, the president of Olivet University at the time of the guilty plea, was recently Dean for Academic Affairs. Her husband Johnathan Davis owns 50 percent of Newsweek.[24][25] In 2019, former executives from two Jang- affiliated enterprises pleaded guilty to a $35 million money laundering and fraud scheme after long denying any guilt and claiming that their companies were not connected to each other or to Jang.[26][27]
SUS. jeSUS
In other news . . .
Davos freezes out Putin and Russian oligarchs - POLITICO
Business as usual at Davos — but don't mention Putin - The Post (unherd.com)
Schwab got played.
Putin has taken off his mask and now the WEF will burn.
Such is life behind the thistle.
Such is life in the Zone.
How can we give Putin gifts when it is not Christmas, Easter, New Year's, or his birthday?
Biden is such a generous man, giving gifts to the whole world!
Except the US people. He doesn't even give coal to the US people.
The Reference: Legal Information (thereference-paris.com)
Someone must still be very salty about their civilian killing Caesar SPGs being taken to a place where they can't kill children anymore!
Weapons - Tomahawk Missile | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS
"During the war, 297 Tomahawks were fired, of which 282 began their mission successfully (9 failed to leave the tube and 6 fell into the water after leaving the tube). At least 2 (and possibly as many as 6) were shot down, most or all of them in a single quickly arranged stream attack (the missiles had to fly a single mission profile most of the way to their target)." From: "Desert Victory - The War for Kuwait" by Norman Friedman Naval Institute Press 1991.
Why are the "failures" at night?
This is why:
Russian AD is very busy.
Ukrop fascists wept, for they were not able to kill Russian civilians as they slept that night.
In other news . . .
Lisichansk looks so not flat.
Only thing that is falling flat today is the Ukrop-fascist and friends propaganda machine.
How can we give Putin gifts when it is not Christmas, Easter, New Year's, or his birthday?
Biden is such a generous man, giving gifts to the whole world!
Except the US people. He doesn't even give coal to the US people.
The Reference: Legal Information (thereference-paris.com)
Someone must still be very salty about their civilian killing Caesar SPGs being taken to a place where they can't kill children anymore!
Weapons - Tomahawk Missile | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS
"During the war, 297 Tomahawks were fired, of which 282 began their mission successfully (9 failed to leave the tube and 6 fell into the water after leaving the tube). At least 2 (and possibly as many as 6) were shot down, most or all of them in a single quickly arranged stream attack (the missiles had to fly a single mission profile most of the way to their target)." From: "Desert Victory - The War for Kuwait" by Norman Friedman Naval Institute Press 1991.
Why are the "failures" at night?
This is why:
Russian AD is very busy.
Ukrop fascists wept, for they were not able to kill Russian civilians as they slept that night.
In other news . . .
Lisichansk looks so not flat.
Only thing that is falling flat today is the Ukrop-fascist and friends propaganda machine.
Ah yes, using Armchair Copeing.
The man who doesn't realize HIMARS are accurate and better then Russian equivalent