Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

strunkenwhite said:
It's not whataboutism to say "what about the direct evidence of the claim I'm making?" Like, I don't even know what else to say. The accusation of whataboutism seems so mind-numbingly stupid. Maybe I'm missing something.

Dislikes bad optics? Would it be fair, then, to say you strongly disagree with the other Russia apologists who have been bragging that Russia is taking the gloves off and Ukrainian cities won't have one brick laid atop another?

edit: let me give you some examples of how I understand the term whataboutism, in order from least to most ridiculous:
1. You shouldn't single out (A) for condemnation for doing this bad thing because everyone else does the same bad thing.
2. You shouldn't condemn (A) for doing this bad thing because (B) does the same bad thing.
3. (A) doing bad things isn't so bad because other bad things also happen.
4. Hey look a distraction!

I don't see how anything in my other post could even hypothetically be whataboutism.
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But what about the "fact", supplied by the lying MSM of course, that the Russians are evil, incompetent monsters and the Ukrainians are pure ans snow heroes.
That is your argument.

You apparently caon't grasp the simple fact that your enemy of the week has more complex and logical motives than "hurr, durr, I iz cartoon villain, I smash...", and that their operations and personnel selection will reflect that.
 
Agent23 said:
But what about the "fact", supplied by the lying MSM of course, that the Russians are evil, incompetent monsters and the Ukrainians are pure ans snow heroes.
That is your argument.

You apparently caon't grasp the simple fact that your enemy of the week has more complex and logical motives than "hurr, durr, I iz cartoon villain, I smash...", and that their operations and personnel selection will reflect that.
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But what about the literal video footage of the killing you claim happened long afterward?

And that's not whataboutism even if the words "what about" are in it.
 
strunkenwhite said:
But what about the literal video footage of the killing you claim happened long afterward?

And that's not whataboutism even if the words "what about" are in it.
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You mean video footage of corpses with fresh blood right next to them that surfaced 3 days after the Russians left, with not a peep being heard about these alleged "massacres", not even from the village's mayor when he tryumphantly stated that the Russians are out and raised the Ukrainian flag?

Ok, dude.
 
Cherico said:
Honestly surprised Russia is doing as badly as it is.
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Well, why shouldn't they let Biden, Macron, that idiot in Germany, van der Lezen and the senile old Spaniard with the history of insider trading in renewables, or as I like to call them, The International Committee to re-elect Putin, make buffoons out of each-other.
I mean, NATO is nice enough to ship all its weapons into Ukraine so the Russians can just bomb and missile strike it into non-existence, or it gets handed over to poorly-trained fresh recruits.

TBH I'd be trying to prolong the conflict at least a few months if I can use it to deplete a lot of western weapons stockpiles.

In related news:



Well, at lest if Brandon replaces all their tanks with Abramses then they won't be able to make such mistakes.
But if their current decline in trained manpower is anything to go by the raw recruits might shoot at Abramses if their army got them because they don't look like the tanks they are familiar with. :ROFLMAO:
 
Agent23 said:
You do realize that things changed significantly since Stalinism was a thing, and that the Russian army is pretty far from the shtrafbats, commissars and 4 years bloody warfare without lieve Red Army that went into Western Europe, right?
Personally I haven't heard of the Russian military doing something like what you and Stunk are trying to attribute to them in Syria.
And besides, I am pretty sure all of the Russian high command knows what optics are, even though they are boomers.
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Of course,things changed.In 1944 soviet army advance on american trucks with american food and partially ammo delivered by american trains.
Now,they have none of that,so that is why they must widraw.

But,behaviour of soldiers? they bahave like during Czeczenya genocide.And,to be honest,i am suprised why anybody is suprised that soviet soldiers rape,steal and kill.They always did so.
It would be strange,if they do not rape,steal or kill.
If somebody fight under soviet banner,then he behave like soviet.It is only logical.

P.S in Syria fought mercaneries.And i really hope,that Putin disaster is,in fact,start of evil,but genial plan to get world,or at least Europe,under his boot.
I always feared evil,but intelligient KGB,it would be shame if they were all idiots.
 
ATP said:
Of course,things changed.In 1944 soviet army advance on american trucks with american food and partially ammo delivered by american trains.
Now,they have none of that,so that is why they must widraw.

But,behaviour of soldiers? they bahave like during Czeczenya genocide.And,to be honest,i am suprised why anybody is suprised that soviet soldiers rape,steal and kill.They always did so.
It would be strange,if they do not rape,steal or kill.
If somebody fight under soviet banner,then he behave like soviet.It is only logical.

P.S in Syria fought mercaneries.And i really hope,that Putin disaster is,in fact,start of evil,but genial plan to get world,or at least Europe,under his boot.
I always feared evil,but intelligient KGB,it would be shame if they were all idiots.
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Ok, dude.
Since you are Polish, here is what this is a reference of, btw, in case you missed that little spergout around Zuby:
 
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So the pro-war/pro-invasion narrative about Bucha has gone from ‘there was no massacre in Bucha’, ‘it was Ukrainian Nazis who did it’, ‘it was British special operations who did it’, to now selling merchandise that boasts about it. I am going to spoil this piece of filth, because while it is not necessarily graphic, I just find it utterly disgusting.

 
Reklos said:
So the pro-war/pro-invasion narrative about Bucha has gone from ‘there was no massacre in Bucha’, ‘it was Ukrainian Nazis who did it’, ‘it was British special operations who did it’, to now selling merchandise that boasts about it. I am going to spoil this piece of filth, because while it is not necessarily graphic, I just find it utterly disgusting.

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Oh, really?
Got a link to the actual telegram channel?
You know, instead of a rando Ukrainian flag shitposter from Twatter posting a screenshot that conveniently doesn't show the name of the channel.
 
Agent23 said:
Oh, really?
Got a link to the actual telegram channel?
You know, instead of a rando Ukrainian flag shitposter from Twatter posting a screenshot that conveniently doesn't show the name of the channel.
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The same ‘random Ukrainian shitposter’ that shows the channel name in the second screenshot. Additionally, here is the link you requested that another Twitter account posted about a day ago.



And a link to a snapshot of the channel that shows it right there.
 
Reklos said:
The same ‘random Ukrainian shitposter’ that shows the channel name in the second screenshot. Additionally, here is the link you requested that another Twitter account posted about a day ago.



And a link to a snapshot of the channel that shows it right there.
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The shitpost channel is called Serbian Divergent.
Great job being alphabeitst. 😂
near as I can see, it is a shitposting channel/surplus shop.
 
Vaermina said:
Today's map, I find it interesting that the Mariupol forces are still directly contesting Russia's forces instead of going to ground and beginning the insurgency phase.

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If Russia wanted Mariupol, it should have conquered it in 2014, assuming that it actually had the capacities for this.

BTW, do you guys think that the planned 2023 Ukrainian census will still go ahead on schedule? :

www.ukrinform.net

President: Apple-backed census will be conducted in 2023

The population census in Ukraine will be conducted in 2023 with the support of Apple American technology company. — Ukrinform.
www.ukrinform.net www.ukrinform.net
 
Agent23 said:
Ok, dude.
Since you are Polish, here is what this is a reference of, btw, in case you missed that little spergout around Zuby:
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raper as argument that neosoviet rapists are not rapists?
You knew,it is...interesting.

Why do you fighting so much for kgbstan? they would not fight for you.Putin is sprouting nonsense about not existing ukrainians which he could not defeat,maybe he even belive that - but KGB mafia which rule Russia corpse care only about their power.Sure,they would be happy if they could rape Ukraine and later Poland - but,as long as they keep power,they do not care how many their soldiers die.
If they take Donieck,they would call it victory,if not - then,their goal from beginning was take Marjunpol,and evrything else was,as @Chiron would say,feint.

And only thing i fear now is that they kill Putin,made deal with Biden owners,and ,after another Democrat sell us to Moscov,we would be slaughtered.
Becouse unless you,who belive in long dead Russia,i never belived in USA.Only reason why they do not sell us to Moscov yet is becouse Putin choose fate of China province.
KGB genius,indeed.
 
Agent23 said:
Well, why shouldn't they let Biden, Macron, that idiot in Germany, van der Lezen and the senile old Spaniard with the history of insider trading in renewables, or as I like to call them, The International Committee to re-elect Putin, make buffoons out of each-other.
I mean, NATO is nice enough to ship all its weapons into Ukraine so the Russians can just bomb and missile strike it into non-existence, or it gets handed over to poorly-trained fresh recruits.

TBH I'd be trying to prolong the conflict at least a few months if I can use it to deplete a lot of western weapons stockpiles.

In related news:



Well, at lest if Brandon replaces all their tanks with Abramses then they won't be able to make such mistakes.
But if their current decline in trained manpower is anything to go by the raw recruits might shoot at Abramses if their army got them because they don't look like the tanks they are familiar with. :ROFLMAO:
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Committe to re-elect Putin? why? he never was elected.In kgbstan you rule like khagan in old steppe hordes - as long as your commanders are happy.
Opinion of commonfolk never mattered,and common soldier could die,as long as plunder is delivered.
Since Putin delivered plunder,nobody from inner circle would kill him.

And ,provoke NATO to deliver weapons HAVE SENSE ONLY IF THEY PLAN TO ATTACK IN FEW YEARS.
Which not happen - either USA sell us again to Moscov,and then Putin do not need attack,or not,and then he do not dare to attack.

P.S killing their own people - kind of norm for russian army,since they could not communicte after attacking.So,could happen once to ukrainian,too.

P.S.S real reason why Putin would prolong war - kill russian army.They are only power which could made putch and save Mother Russia.
 
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