Antifa, Just an Idea

[LordsFire]

On the other hand... we've already tried minarchy, and that ultimately hasn't worked out as promised. Case in point: The US Government, which started off hands-off and minimalist before mushrooming into one of history's biggest and most invasive states in less than three centuries.

Besides, while I should probably port it over to a different thread, there are arguments (archived here) as to why an Individualist Anarchist society not only wouldn't devolve into rampant warlordism, but might also provide more robust (and certainly, more "inventive") security than Statist societies do. They also list quite a few quasi-anarchist societies throughout history, too, so there's that.

'People gave up on it and started doing something else' is not a testament to a system not working. It's a testament to people giving up on it.

 

[Zyobot]

'People gave up on it and started doing something else' is not a testament to a system not working. It's a testament to people giving up on it.

So... why'd they give up on it, then?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

So... why'd they give up on it, then?

"Let me buy your vote and I'll make it easier for you to just sit on your ass."

 

[Zyobot]

"Let me buy your vote and I'll make it easier for you to just sit on your ass."

I mean... if the system you have in place allows you to do that in the first place, then it's ripe for exploitation later on.

Again, maybe this is more a topic for another thread, but there are times when I wonder if the people saying "That's not good government!" are basically repeating a watered-down, more universally acceptable form of "That's not real communism!" or "That's not real socialism!" without realizing it. Sure, some forms of government crash and burn way faster than others, and I'll certainly credit American liberal democracy for outlasting the Soviets' centrally planned dictatorship at both ends. Nonetheless, that's the observation I've made over the years.

 

[Cherico]

So... why'd they give up on it, then?

Modernity is a time period when the composite states of a civilization grow their governments to enormous size in an increasingly Darwinian composition. Same thing happened in China and in the meditarian world during their modern periods.

 

[Zyobot]

Modernity is a time period when the composite states of a civilization grow their governments to enormous size in an increasingly Darwinian composition. Same thing happened in China and in the meditarian world during their modern periods.

Yes, yes, I recall discussing that with you and others at length in a medley of threads. Macro-historical derails aside, they don't really solve the problems I'm getting at or disprove the arguments I linked to above.

Having said that, I've probably distracted from the main topic enough. Here, have a National Review piece on our favorite Far-Left street agitators instead:

‘Designating’ Antifa a Terrorist Organization Is a Bad Idea | National Review

The best protection we have against domestic terrorism is state, city, and municipal police. They are geometrically more numerous than federal law-enforcement agents.

www.nationalreview.com

Articled archived here, for purposes of preservation.

 

[LordsFire]

I mean... if the system you have in place allows you to do that in the first place, then it's ripe for exploitation later on.

Again, maybe this is more a topic for another thread, but there are times when I wonder if the people saying "That's not good government!" are basically repeating a watered-down, more universally acceptable form of "That's not real communism!" or "That's not real socialism!" without realizing it. Sure, some forms of government crash and burn way faster than others, and I'll certainly credit American liberal democracy for outlasting the Soviets' centrally planned dictatorship at both ends. Nonetheless, that's the observation I've made over the years.

It didn't just last longer, it's allowed for a much freer and more prosperous society in the meantime.

All governments decay over time. Comparing the highs, how long it takes to decay, and how bad it is during that process, is more or less the only real way to find the 'least bad' option.

 

[Zyobot]

It didn't just last longer, it's allowed for a much freer and more prosperous society in the meantime.

All governments decay over time. Comparing the highs, how long it takes to decay, and how bad it is during that process, is more or less the only real way to find the 'least bad' option.

Look, I don't want to waste time arguing with you in an Antifa thread.

Could've chosen not to respond to you, I guess, but maybe I should've just let the whole "Anarchism Vs. Minarchism!" debate be instead of chiming in.

 

[ATP]

On the other hand... we've already tried minarchy, and that ultimately hasn't worked out as promised. Case in point: The US Government, which started off hands-off and minimalist before mushrooming into one of history's biggest and most invasive states in less than three centuries.

Besides, while I should probably port it over to a different thread, there are arguments (archived here) as to why an Individualist Anarchist society not only wouldn't devolve into rampant warlordism, but might also provide more robust (and certainly, more "inventive") security than Statist societies do. They also list quite a few quasi-anarchist societies throughout history, too, so there's that.

There is one more society - Nuers in South sudan.Dudes without state,chiefs,using spears - manage to beat mahdist slavers with rifles,and brits after WW1 need planes to subdue them.


When all classical tribes there,with chiefs,were smashed by arabs before brits come.

 

[DarthOne]

Antifa activist commits suicide after Hungarian police discover 70,000 child porn files on his computer

Antifa activist commits suicide after Hungarian police discover 70,000 child porn files on his computer

The case of the alleged pedophile Antifa activist has many dark details, including the site of his suicide

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An Antifa activist committed suicide after Hungarian police raided his house. However, the investigation is not over, as police want to know how he obtained 70,000 graphic pedophilia recordings, with many of them depicting the torture and rape of small children. The case, which is connected to the German Antifa scene, has spooked Hungary, with police discovering signs of a strange ritual close to where the man hung himself.

The massive child porn stash on the Antifa activist's hard drive came as a shocking twist in a case that spans the left-wing Antifa scenes of Hungary and Germany. So far, the name of the activist has not been released by Hungarian police.

The man was a Hungarian Antifa activist believed to have played a major role in attacking individuals thought to be far-right activists on the streets of Budapest with the help of German activists in February of this year. During the investigation in connection with the street attacks, the police found the child porn on the man's laptop after his partner's apartment was raided. Police found no evidence that his partner was involved in any child porn crimes.

Among the thousands of child porn files discovered, there were 300 videos of particularly brutal sexual abuse of children under the age of 12, including many children between two and three years old.

According to newspaper reports, the activist hung himself in the woods near the abandoned Holdfény Missile Base, a former Soviet-era military site, near the city of Biatorbágy after the police moved in to apprehend him.

Close to where the man committed suicide, police discovered a toy doll that had been set on fire in the middle of a fire pit built out of stones. A photo of the doll was obtained by Hungarian newspaper Metropol.

According to Metropol's on-site report, someone placed a tire in front of the fire pit, which the paper notes appeared to be a makeshift seat to watch the doll burn. According to the newspaper's information, the man who most likely committed suicide was found close to what the paper speculates to be a "ritual." So far, the police are treating the incident as a suicide and said they have found no evidence of homicide.

Police say the Antifa activist with gigabytes of violent kiddie porn was involved in the infamous Hammerbande, which translates to Hammer Gang, a violent far-left Antifa group based out of Germany. The group is known for attacking right-wing activists, and in some cases innocent pedestrians mistaken for far-right members, with hammers and bats.

As Remix News reported last month, a German court in Dresden delivered in early June its verdict in the trial of the leader of the Hammerbande, with the judge sentencing Lina Engel to five years and three months in prison, while three of her associates received lesser sentences. The trial lasted 97 days and featured enormous amounts of evidence and numerous witnesses.

The group had severely beaten a number of activists, who in some cases were left with life-altering injuries.

However, one of the group's major attacks also occurred in Hungary's capital city of Budapest, with the Antifa activist who committed suicide said to be behind the planning of that particular attack, Hungarian news portal Metropol reports.

The Hungarian activist reportedly worked at a radical café in the Austrian city of Innsbruck, which according to the Austrian Interior Ministry is a known meeting place for Austro-German Antifa activists.

In addition, the activist reportedly worked for the Hungarian left-wing organization known as the Szikra Movement, which was founded by Hungarian left-wing MP András Jámbor. Hungarian news outlet Magyar Nemzet has reached out to Jámbor to comment on the case, but he has refused to answer any questions, only releasing a statement on his Facebook page that he had nothing to do with the case of the alleged pedophile.

Despite his suicide, police continue to investigate how the man received the child porn images, their origins, and whether the Antifa activist helped record any of the videos. The police believe the children depicted in the images may be in imminent danger. The police stated that they also want to trace if the suspect shared any of the files or had any accomplices in the crime.

I'm starting to notice a pattern here with these left-wing activists...

 

[Rocinante]

Antifa activist commits suicide after Hungarian police discover 70,000 child porn files on his computer

Antifa activist commits suicide after Hungarian police discover 70,000 child porn files on his computer

The case of the alleged pedophile Antifa activist has many dark details, including the site of his suicide

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I'm starting to notice a pattern here with these left-wing activists...

You know, the fact that so many of them are so adamantly against laws that prevent sexualizing children says all that needs to be said.

 

[Marduk]

You know, the fact that so many of them are so adamantly against laws that prevent sexualizing children says all that needs to be said.

The far left has a problem with... not recruiting the best in general. The Rittenhouse case shows it the best - he shot 3 aggressive leftist extremists at a riot, and... turns out he shot a pedo, a bipolar domestic abuser, and a burglar who likes alcohol too much. Truly the paragons of society who are perfectly placed ensuring "safety" in such volatile situations and moderating the political discourse, including deciding who's a "nazi" and should be outside of it. At least that explains why they push such odd ideas like abolishing prisons, at least those 3 have obvious stake in that.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

You know, the fact that so many of them are so adamantly against laws that prevent sexualizing children says all that needs to be said.

Its Pedos, all the way down

 

[Zachowon]

The far left has a problem with... not recruiting the best in general. The Rittenhouse case shows it the best - he shot 3 aggressive leftist extremists at a riot, and... turns out he shot a pedo, a bipolar domestic abuser, and a burglar who likes alcohol too much. Truly the paragons of society who are perfectly placed ensuring "safety" in such volatile situations and moderating the political discourse, including deciding who's a "nazi" and should be outside of it. At least that explains why they push such odd ideas like abolishing prisons, at least those 3 have obvious stake in that.

Prisons are not kind to Pedos

 

[DarthOne]

Prisons are not kind to Pedos

Yes, which is why a lot of the male ones claim to be 'transgender' so that they'll be thrown into women prisons.

 

[Terthna]

The far left has a problem with... not recruiting the best in general. The Rittenhouse case shows it the best - he shot 3 aggressive leftist extremists at a riot, and... turns out he shot a pedo, a bipolar domestic abuser, and a burglar who likes alcohol too much. Truly the paragons of society who are perfectly placed ensuring "safety" in such volatile situations and moderating the political discourse, including deciding who's a "nazi" and should be outside of it. At least that explains why they push such odd ideas like abolishing prisons, at least those 3 have obvious stake in that.

When your end goal is ultimately just the accumulation of power and self-gratification, people like that are your peers.

 

[Jormungandr]

You know, the fact that so many of them are so adamantly against laws that prevent sexualizing children says all that needs to be said.

Well, that's achieved my "wanting to be physically sick" quota for the day.

70,000 images of child torture and... things.

Jesus.

 

[Rocinante]

Its Pedos, all the way down

Not all lefties are pedos, but by supporting the policies that they do, they're enabling it. Which is why most pedos end up on the left.

 

[Wargamer08]

Its Pedos, all the way down

Always has been; since the days of at least the French Revolution. They axed Robespierre when he started moving from French nobility to sexual degenerates.

 

[DarthOne]

Always has been; since the days of at least the French Revolution. They axed Robespierre when he started moving from French nobility to sexual degenerates.

To be fair, there was a bit more to it than that. Though the timing is curious…