Yes, we are aware of the actions of Ray Epps and the actions of other glowie and Antifa agents in the crowd.
Antifa, Just an Idea
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Megadeath
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So... Which was Ashli? Glowie or antifa? Julian Khater? Robert Palmer, Devlyn Thompson, Lonnie Coffman? What about Jacob "Jake Angeli" Chansley?
Ashli was a victim of Pelosi's handpicked Sargent at Arms/his people getting either A) triggerhappy or B) Pelosi ordered him to open fire.
I do not know the other names, so will not comment on them.
Megadeath
Well-known member
Yes, she was a victim and I personally believe her killing was unjust though a somewhat understandable mistake. That doesn't change the circumstances before that though, does it? She was attempting to violently force entry to the building. As did many others. Such as those listed. If you're not familiar with a who's who of basically the worst offenders from the event, perhaps you're not in a good position to be righting off all examples of violent forced entry as "the actions of Ray Epps and the actions of other glowie and Antifa agents in the crowd."
Terthna
Professional Lurker
They won't. Either they'll try to bog everyone else down into arguments over whether or not it actually happened, or they'll just move on to admitting that it did, and insisting that it's a good thing. Because these people don't actually have a problem with violent extremism on a personal level; they just don't want it to scare the frog out of the slowly boiling pot before it's cooked.So… who else is counting down the days until Antifa, BLM, or some likeminded loonies pull off another 9/11 and force the Left as a whole to finally acknowledge that maybe it does have a bit of an extremism problem?
Doubt they’ll be able to sneak into planes with boxcutters and suicide vests again, but at some point, I wouldn’t rule out them carrying out — or at least, attempting — another World Trade Center Bombing or Beslan School Siege that gets a whole lot of people killed, including themselves. If that’s not enough to generate the kind of shock value 9/11 did, then frankly, I’m not sure what is.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Most of them might not, but at the same time, I wouldn't rule out a few overzealous berserkers becoming restless and taking matters into their own hands with horrendous results. Might require extensive planning and procurement of resources they don't have, though considering some of the "scarier" stuff Antifa has been found with, as is, I can see a few years' worth of these cells growing and the authorities continuing to look the other way emboldening them to the point where come the 2030s, Neocommunist versions of Osama Bin Laden or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi really start testing the limits of what they can get away with — and eventually, push the envelope way too far.
DarthOne
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God willing, the Right will be in a position of power to put a stop to them before that comes to pass. That and drag the country back to sanity.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Let me guess, you're referring to Charlottesville?
Megadeath
Well-known member
I was drawing a connection to the example, yes. Partly to draw a particular kind of response to show what would actually happen if there was a left wing terror attack; denial. Exactly the same as if/when there's a right wing terror attack. It's dismissed as fake, a bad faith actor, or clearly the attacker was no true Scotsman. Or some other similar blame shift.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
And you are bringing it up on a thread about Antifa, why?
Megadeath
Well-known member
In response to someone wondering about a theoretical left wing terror attack, and the potential response. I mean... It's right there in the quotes?
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm trying to be charitable and find any way to read this as something other than 'the other side does it too!'
How was it supposed to be read?
Megadeath
Well-known member
As I said in the bit I snipped, it was actually intentionally baiting to a degree. OTOH, I would never phrase it as "The other side does it too." because that would identify me far too closely with the kind of lunatics who commit such acts, and the left which I have never said I belong to and frequently said I don't. There are extremists on both "sides", and I don't think either group is well represented by their fringe.
I suppose I could have just skipped the middle part and simply posted "No, they wouldn't admit such a thing. They'd simply deny that it was representative of the left, and say that it was a false flag, faked, provoked, out of context, no true Scotsman, etc." but I'm posting for fun, and it was more fun to use a colourful and illustrative example of how that happens.
Would that be the case where a bunch of people surrounded a guy's car and were beating on it so he just gunned it to get away?
Megadeath
Well-known member
File:2017 Charlottesville vehicle-ramming attack.webm - Wikipedia
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The reason he was guilty (and convicted) of a crime, is the 'driving back into the crowd' part.
Sure, they were attacking and provoking him, but even the most generous (sane) interpretations of 'stand your ground' doctrine say that once his car was clear of the crowd, he should have just kept running.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
Unlikely. If there is anything Left is good at, it's hypocrisy. You can have a hundred Leftists posting and singing praise to the Communist Manifesto before going to bomb the Museum of Classical History or whatever, and the Left as well as the mainstream media will still declare the act to have been carried out by the right-wing Nazi racists.
We litterally had a left wing loonie ram a car into a christmas parade and the left didn't give a shit.
Megadeath
Well-known member
And as the last little exchange should have made clear, that's hardly a problem specific to the left or right of American politics. It's a symptom of the ridiculous, toxic, false dichotomy "us vs them" of modern American politics. And to a lesser degree, other similar western countries. The enshrinement of the two party system is the biggest issue in American political culture. Everyone believes their side is good, just and right about everything, and the other side is malicious, conniving and wrong or just lying. Those who think of themselves as left-wing will always seek to excuse, mitigate or explain away bad things "their" group does, and so will those who think of themselves as "part of the right". Because we're still just very clever monkeys, and we're programed to seek social groups, and protect and strengthen them whilst building our value in them, and because intentionally or not, the political system has tricked the majority of people into the belief that sharing a handful of political positions makes people a group. It's ridiculous. Sensible people should be able to recognise that a person can share political opinions with them, even share many opinions, without that person representing them and be perfectly willing and happy to condemn that person, and further they should be able to extend to others and recognise that two other people sharing opinions on some things doesn't mean they completely agree on everything. You can't judge any group by the extremists who not only believe in whatever philosophy, but also believe in their right or even responsibility to force everyone to believe as they do, or eliminate those who don't. Most Muslims aren't al-Qaeda, most Catholics aren't IRA, most left leaning people don't try to form separatist police free communes, most right leaning people don't plow cars into political rallies, etc.