Alternate History Ideas and Discussion
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Buba
A total creep
Each merits a thread of their own.
As to the last - some very cold Russians there ... and very hurting Japan.
I'd expect an independent Far Eastern Republic/Tsarstvo, though. The cultural gap is enormous.
Cohones.
EDIT
Sorry, coJones - the "j" is pronounced as "h".
The uptime "degenerates" are zerg rushed and swamped by the Wehrmacht.
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Agent23
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perhaps they will get a semi-autonomous situation with their own constitution, like the Duchy of Finland.
It will be more interesting what happens next, though.
Sorry, I no speak Portuguese!
Buba
A total creep
Good point - could be autonomy. In their case - pretending to be part of Russia
No sweat
Actually cojones is Castillian/Spanish - in Portuguese it would be quilhos.
EDIT:
I later remembered that the analog is colhões
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Skallagrim
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So, I'm getting sent back in time, huh? Thankfully this is before Corona. Faith in the capabilities of our government isn't hopelessly depleted yet, as it sort of is right now.
Hindsight is an enormus advantage, and the Dutch role in the production of advanced military systems on a global scale is... bigger than most people know. It's not something that's advertised loudly. It offers certain possibilities.
In any event, even though the Dutch military is severely under-funded by any reasonable standard these days, advanced tech is such an advantage that there's no way Hitler could win. Also, the modern-day USA is gone, and it's an open secret that the Americans still have nuclear weapons on one of their bases in the Netherlands. So... invade and get nuked, Adolf.
German Military going:
Shit... (Promptly overthrow the goverment)
"SEE GUYS WERE TOTALLY CLEAN WERCHEMART, READ ALL THESE BOOKS OF OURS FROM THE FUTURE!!!"
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Didn't know the Dutch hosted American nukes, but thanks. Although, given how widespread US military assets are, I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised. Otherwise, for a regime that once boasted about "Aryan science" and nukes being impossible, they may very well eat those words.
In the mid to long-term, I'm guessing legal disputes will arise over who the rightful owners of those nukes are, the Netherlands or the downtimer United States? Ditto with non-proliferation treaties and attempts to prevent other hostile nations from acquiring nuclear technology, in advance. ("We're looking at you, Uncle Joe...")
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
There were actually quite a few semi-autonomous subjects of Imperial Russia, Georgia, for example, had it's own aristocracy running a lot of stuff, there were also the Cossacks, and the aforementioned Finland and Poland and the baltic states.Good point - could be autonomy. In their case - pretending to be part of Russia
IMHO the downstream Russians will be very eager to keep the Upstreamers happy, while as the Upstreamers will prefer to spare 'their' country a few devastating wars, crises, Communism, and massive territorial losses.
Tokyo, and London, and Washington and Berlin, though, just might eat a nuke, each.
Buba
A total creep
Hitler is going to be pleased that about 3/4 of the Dutch Jewish population has mysteriously disappeared.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
'ATL 20th Century Superpowers'.
Note that this doesn't necessarily mean preventing every last OTL superpower from attaining that status IATL, though the roster should still look different here. (Based on previous discussions, a Nationalist China that won and a Tsarist Russia that liberalized would qualify for the title.)
Note that this doesn't necessarily mean preventing every last OTL superpower from attaining that status IATL, though the roster should still look different here. (Based on previous discussions, a Nationalist China that won and a Tsarist Russia that liberalized would qualify for the title.)
What about a surviving Napoleonic France?
Buba
A total creep
Besides the usual suspects - with no WWI it'd be the UK.
And with no WWI a superpower USA is unlikely.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I assume the US would still be a great power, though, if mostly economically and with most of its power projection confined to the Americas.
Circle of Willis
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'Operation Quartz goes ahead in 1980'
Buba
A total creep
Japanese "tourists" are coming to do hentai things to them ...
More good things:
As the Filipinos "blab" about OTL, there is no Weserubung. No Fall Gelb and sicklecut. No Italian war entry. No Pearl Harbor.
There is a collective sigh of relief as McArthur is ISOTed to ... somewhere ... anywhere ... which is a Good Thing.
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Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I could've gone my whole life without all the mental images you've imprinted into my mind just now.
You know that, right?
Buba
A total creep
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
FA-50 will do well against Japanese aircraft, if they have enough spare parts to last them until invasion. They (along with Spyders) are too few to stop the Japanese aircraft, but they will inflict considerable casualties and significantly curtail their activities. Philippine army is fully motorised, so it can quickly respond to any landings, bringing their superiority in firepower and communications to bear.
Problem is the navy, it is not geared towards surface combat, it's most effective weapons are 76 mm guns, which while accurate are rather inadequate to deal with cruisers and battleships.