Alternate History Ideas and Discussion

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
I think that it would be more or less a tossup. It might depend on just how much value Indian and African manpower will provide to Britain.

Agreed.

Separately, it'd also be interesting see how well-prepared Canada is for a US ground invasion, depending on how much it's invested in its land forces and how many reinforcements the larger British Empire can spare to defend it. Or, maybe the reverse, though I suspect Canada's way, way smaller population—which is a little under forty million, if OTL 2022 numbers are applicable here—implies it has less native manpower to spare, among other things.
 

WolfBear

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Agreed.

Separately, it'd also be interesting see how well-prepared Canada is for a US ground invasion, depending on how much it's invested in its land forces and how many reinforcements the larger British Empire can spare to defend it. Or, maybe the reverse, though I suspect Canada's way, way smaller population—which is a little under forty million, if OTL 2022 numbers are applicable here—implies it has less native manpower to spare, among other things.

I suspect that the US might first aim to seize Canada's major population centers, though cutting Canada off from the Pacific Ocean would also be a nice war aim. And the Canadian Corridor in the Pacific could be our own equivalent of the Polish Corridor! :D ;)
 

Doomsought

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Woodrow Wilson while making a campaign speech is struck dead by lightning on a cloudless day. er of chin the timeline, such as the US military not becoming segregated.

I'd like it to chain into the US siding with Germany during World War I, because cargo submarines are cool and I hate the French.
 

WolfBear

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Woodrow Wilson while making a campaign speech is struck dead by lightning on a cloudless day. er of chin the timeline, such as the US military not becoming segregated.

I'd like it to chain into the US siding with Germany during World War I, because cargo submarines are cool and I hate the French.

Your best hope for that is to delay WWI.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Qusay becomes his father's undisputed heir apparent? Though a lot depends on whether the butterfly effect results in Al Gore winning in 2000 in this TL. He only lost by 537 votes in our TL.

Butterflies galore, it seems.

All in all, nothing of value's lost here. Too bad Uday's old man and brother don't perish alongside him, though.
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
10th April 2010 Smolensk air traffic control closes the airport due to fog, diverting the plane carrying the Polish delegation.
 

Skallagrim

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‘Sino-American Relations With Lasting Nationalist China’.
The easiest POD to get a Nationalist victory is for the West to decide early on that the commies are bad news, and to thus refrain from pushing for a cease-fire between the Nationalists and the reds in China. This requires aggressively backing the Nationalists against Japan, which... well, I suppose it's possible, but not altogether easy to get done. If the USA does do it, though, the chances of good relations with China have just improved massively.

During the war against Japan, alliance with Nationalist China only makes even more sense, and afterwards, China will be an ally in hemming in the USSR. A result of this is that long-term good relations are actually quite plausible. Nationalist China would do significantly better than Communist China. So the period where China is rapidly developing and potentially an economic risk to the USA co-incides with the Cold War. By the time that ends, China will have developed quite significantly. (And more evenly than any communist system might manage. That's right, kids: less communism would reduce the wealth disparities.)

So by the time the USA stops worrying about the USSR, China is no longer such a cheap low-labour country anymore, actually making them less of an economic threat and more of a useful trade partner.

Side effects include a unified Korea and a non-communist Vietnam (where, hilariously, the USA and China probably allied to kick the French out). All three will be fairly subordinate to China (the "three ducklings").

Geopolitically, I expect that this set-up will very quickly produce an understanding between Russia and India. I could also see Indonesia feeling threatened by China, and getting on board with the Russo-Indian bloc in order to have friends that can keep China at bay just a bit.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
'Soviet Civil War'.

1991 going the other way is the most obvious candidate here, but those in a particularly creative mood are welcome to come up with another time and circumstance.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
So by the time the USA stops worrying about the USSR, China is no longer such a cheap low-labour country anymore, actually making them less of an economic threat and more of a useful trade partner.

Side effects include a unified Korea and a non-communist Vietnam (where, hilariously, the USA and China probably allied to kick the French out). All three will be fairly subordinate to China (the "three ducklings").

Thanks.

Because a liberal, well-adjusted Nationalist China would (presumably) have positive relations with the US, I assume this removes much of the "America First!" backlash we got IOTL? Sending Western manufacturing off to a communist dictatorship that's clearly acting in bad faith is a sure recipe for "Fuck globalism!" to become a chant repeated everywhere, and those who shout it certainly have a point.

Furthermore, I also assume China will be significantly wealthier here, too? If so, I'd further guess that manufacturing will once more play a vital role in its economy, as is the case for Japan and South Korea IOTL. Not to mention actually standing a chance of surpassing the US economically, and experiencing the greatest capitalist miracle in history in the process. Which would actually double as a real kick to the face(s) of central planning and forced redistribution, especially with their comparably large, resource-endowed northern neighbor having already squandered a comparable amount of time trying (and failing) to compete with the US on even terms...
 

Agent23

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1.LBJ dies in a tragic helicopter accident while campaigning for political office(he actually had such a close call early in his career, he would have been remembered as the victim of the first ever helicopter crash, iirc), or from heart attack, or Oswald shoots him instead of Kennedy.

2. Nixon does a lot better in the last debate with Kennedy, thus winning the presidency before he becomes massively embittered.(A lot of it had to do with the fact that the tanned Kennedy was far more photogenic than Nixon, and that happened in part because of a sympathetic lightning technician).

3. The Decembrists win, or they and the more conservative forces in Russia manage to reach some form of agreement.

4. Russia puts people from its European, rather than its Asiatic branch in charge of dealing with Japan and also disregards the desires of some connected entrepreneurs, thus preventing the Russo-japanese war.

5. The White movement manages to organize itself into a cohesive, unified force and kicks out the Bolsheviks.

6. After the Russo-Japanese war and despite the Slavophiles Russia somehow manages to form an alliance with Germany, probably with a secret clause involving the carving up of Austria-Hungary.

That is all for now.
 

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