2nd Civil War Theorycrafting Thread, Peaches Free

[Sobek]

American Women's uterus's are United States land under the ownership of the woman who is a United States citizen.

This also means if you rape a american woman the US government should be legally allowed to use the military on you classifying the rape as a act of war, because I think that would be very funny.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

American Women's uterus's are United States land under the ownership of the woman who is a United States citizen.

This also means if you rape a american woman the US government should be legally allowed to use the military on you classifying the rape as a act of war, because I think that would be very funny.

I mean if we're gonna drone bomb people..

 

[strunkenwhite]

If these kids be gestating inside an American, them fetus' be Americans.

14th amendment: "1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

born

Citizenship descending from one's parents is statutorily defined but also, to my understanding, depends on birth. Ergo the unborn are not citizens.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Don't get distracted by nonsense. It doesn't matter if the baby is a citizen. Murder is still murder.

And i'm not going to continue...b/c I just realized we may have gotten off topic.

 

[LordsFire]

14th amendment: "1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Citizenship descending from one's parents is statutorily defined but also, to my understanding, depends on birth. Ergo the unborn are not citizens.

There are further laws that make it clear that if you're the child of two American citizens, you get citizenship automatically

Even if those are technically written in a way that also hinges on 'born,' then you're committing murder of someone who does not happen to have American citizenship yet.

And last I checked, American criminal law doesn't care whether or not the victim is a citizen when a person gets charged for murder.

 

[Zachowon]

Voting Republicans is driving off the cliff in the first gear, voting Democrats is driving off the cliff in the fifth gear.

Sometimes, driving backwards is the only good choice.




It is always funny to see Left swearing by science one moment and outright denying it the other.

Baby is not part of woman's body. It is a completely separate organism. Humans are placental mammals. You know what placenta's purpose is? To transfer foodstuffs between mother's body and that of a baby without mixing their blood - because if they did mix, antibodies in mother's body would attack the baby as a foreign organism. Which it is.

So yes, "woman's right to her body" is a piece of bullshit that goes against nature, against science and against logic. Abortion is murder, looking in purely scientific-biological terms (but of course, Leftists don't care about science, they only care about avoiding responsibility).

Leftists are liars, part infinitum.



You mean, like literally every single US president in last half a century?



Most of neonazis are not Nazis. Firstly, Nazis were leftists in many ways - even their racial categories were flexible, more similar to leftist principles than rightist. They also denied all forms of nationalism, and clumped all ethnicities into their respective racial supergroups, without making any distinction between them. World War 2 was literally nothing more than giant leftist civil war - no matter who won, Left will have won because all sides (except maybe Central European countries such as Poland, Romania etc.) were dedicated leftists. Secondly, neonazis don't really have developed ideology beyond "Jews bad, Communists bad, white race rules". Well, at least the middle part they got correct.



Like all of it? Left is constantly violating states' rights, individual rights (gun control) and so on. They want to turn the US into Europe.



Bullshit. Baby is a separate organism from the moment it had been conceived. Just the fact that it had been murdered inside mother's mody doesn't mean it is not murder.

Now, murder can be justified, in certain conditions, but it is still murder.

First, bolded part is extremely questionable.

Secondy, people usually think what they are told to think. Mass media are literally the worst enemy of freedom, worse than NKVD.

Russia jails and put people in Siberia for questioning the SMO.
North Korea literally uses AAA guns to shoot people who do not toe the line.
Mass media is at least able to be fought

 

[strunkenwhite]

There are further laws that make it clear that if you're the child of two American citizens, you get citizenship automatically

Even if those are technically written in a way that also hinges on 'born,' then you're committing murder of someone who does not happen to have American citizenship yet.

And last I checked, American criminal law doesn't care whether or not the victim is a citizen when a person gets charged for murder.

I agree that not all people are citizens. The Whispering Monk ended on a good note.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Not wearing nazi shit, not waving nazi flags, not being at a trump rally while wearing/holding said shit Another would be if everything he does doesn't make me think of the nazis.

That'd require identifying glowies and false flag agigators from the Left, and preventing them from even entering the town/city where the events take place. And even then, your MSM will take great care to focus on these assholes to smear our side as nazis.

 

[ATP]

I have been away from this site for a awhile and sort of forgot I posted on this thread so I'll cover my thoughts here. Let us cover this bit first.

"The divide is caused by many republicans having principles and Democrats being intolerably evil".

A good joke I found on Facebook goes like this voting is like driving your car you vote R to go backwards and you vote D to go forwards.

My mother and brother are hardcore R voters. They don't give a shit what Trump says. He could kill a baby on live video and I'm 99% sure they would find some messed up way to make that great. But going back to that bit If you think attacking a women's right to her body is good then we can agree to disagree. If you think the right lying to us every day of the week is good we can agree to disagree on that point as well. I have lived under Trump for four damn years. When he was put in office I was willing to give him a few weeks. I didn't think he should've run but he won so I allowed him time to prove his worth. His worth turned out to be less than nothing and anybody who thinks he was a good choice lives under a rock. The guy was a sexist, racist, dimwit and he did nothing but make us a joke.

To be sure I'm sure some on the right are good people. I have yet to hear one that doesn't sound like an utter tool but I'm sure some do exist and if I ever hear them talk I may be willing to give them a vote. I'm not about to say the whole party is in a Trump cult but some are and I'll not act like that fact isn't true. I'll also not act like his base aren't nazis because when you wave a nazi flag around and wear nazi shit and do what the nazis did your a nazi. I would love if that fact wasn't shown to be true every day but it is. So when somebody says that the right are good and the left are bad I have to say you must be living in make believe land because everything you're saying is nothing more than dog droppings.
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Democrats are allowed use terrorists to influence politics their way every ele3ction cycle, violate nearly every article in the constitution, and murder babies with an efficiency that would make Hitler jealous.

Care to list what parts you think we are violating or should I just put this up to me being a lover of freedom and civil rights? I'm going to guess you think a woman opting out of a pregnancy is murder. Sorry but it isn't and yelling louder doesn't make it true. I have heard more than enough know-nothings yell that and every time I prove them wrong they just yell the lie all the louder. Murder has a use in law and that isn't anywhere in that use. To murder a baby the baby has to be born first. Before that point, there is no baby to kill and thus nobody to kill. I can't say I know what you mean by influencing the way people vote. You go into a room and you vote. Your choice is yours. Nobody can make you vote for anybody but who you want to vote for. This isn't Russian or North Korea. Here people have rights.
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We should have had a civil war as soon as Roe VS Wade dropped. We should have had a civil war when BLM burned down cities with the express approval of Democrats in the legislature. We should have had a civil war when our entire nation was illegally put on lockdown and the fourth amendment was flushed down the toilet.

Your time in school wasn't great, was it? Even when we were fighting to be free from the king we still did lockdowns. There was nothing illegal about locking down the nation in 2019-2022. Any nation with a bit of sense did so and solved the whole mess in a matter of weeks. It was only the dumbasses here who didn't do the most basic shit that caused it to last for as long as it did and killed as many people as it did.

My mother and brother always had a fit any time they were asked to wear a mask. If a doctor can wear a mask for 12+ hours you can wear a damn mask for five damn minutes while you're out picking up your foodstuff and daily needs. Stop being an oversized baby and do what is asked of you.

I strongly disagree that we should be waging a civil war over Roe V Wade or Covid-19. That would be fucking stupid and solve nothing. As far as the fourth amendment goes this is what that covers.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

What that has to do with Covid-19 I haven't a clue.

We are humans thanks to our specific genotype.And we get that genotype when fecundation occur.You deny fact that unborn children are humans - good for you,but you are not fighting Trump,Republicans,church or even God,but Biology.
On elementary school level.
I wish you luck in your fights,you need it.

 

[Ixian]

14th amendment: "1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Citizenship descending from one's parents is statutorily defined but also, to my understanding, depends on birth. Ergo the unborn are not citizens.

At one time a black american was only 3/5ths of a citizen.

I'd say given our increased biological understanding we should probably update that.

 

[strunkenwhite]

At one time a black american was only 3/5ths of a citizen.

I'd say given are increased biological understanding we should probably update that.

0/5ths of a citizen, according to Taney; 3/5ths of a free person for the purpose of Census enumeration. The Census counts people, not citizens. As for biology ... but it's been pointed out that this is pretty tangential to the thread topic unless one of us is prepared to posit this being a flashpoint.

On the whole, I'm not. The factions most worked up about the abortion issue are very used to working within the system; maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's not as central to the burn-it-down guys on both sides. Certainly no one is getting an amendment through whose content is subject to partisan tensions.

 

[Ixian]

0/5ths of a citizen, according to Taney; 3/5ths of a free person for the purpose of Census enumeration. The Census counts people, not citizens. As for biology ... but it's been pointed out that this is pretty tangential to the thread topic unless one of us is prepared to posit this being a flashpoint.

On the whole, I'm not. The factions most worked up about the abortion issue are very used to working within the system; maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's not as central to the burn-it-down guys on both sides. Certainly no one is getting an amendment through whose content is subject to partisan tensions.

Honestly I think that's pretty spot on.

It is a contentious subject, I can see it sparking limited regional conflict in certain circumstances. Stuff maybe a bit more extreme than the riots we have seen the last few years.

 

[Agent23]

I found a fun little video I found from WhatifAltHist


America is the new Rome.

 

[DarthOne]

All the more reason we should stop playing Roman Empire lest history rhymes and we replicate Rome’s fall.

 

[Cherico]

All the more reason we should stop playing Roman Empire lest history rhymes and we replicate Rome’s fall.

All countries fall, all empires fall, all cultures and insitutions fall.

Rome lasted a 1000 years in the west, and another 1000 years after that in the east, that is an incredbly good run is america lasted that long that would be a miracle.

 

[DarthOne]

All countries fall, all empires fall, all cultures and insitutions fall.

Rome lasted a 1000 years in the west, and another 1000 years after that in the east, that is an incredbly good run is america lasted that long that would be a miracle.

See, that’s the thing. I don’t think we’re going to be that lucky. And most Americans don’t want to have the nation being a global Empire. Not really.

 

[Zyobot]

Not much activity here lately, so bringing things back on track: Watched a National Geographic documentary on the War in Ukraine this weekend.

Besides lots of NATO kit, they also got creative via improvised hardware, such as toy drones strapped with explosives or 3D printing components. Didn’t mention much about cottage-manufactured small arms or ammunition (in large part because NATO’s probably supplying the good stuff), though I suspect you’ve still got machinists in more “outlying” places slapping crude Sten or Owen submachine gun expies together. Never mind all the captured and retrofitted Russian equipment, such as artillery pieces.

Seen in that light, I wonder if this provides any “glimpses” at what domestic insurgencies or secessionist factions in the US could bring to bear, assuming we don’t have large chunks of the country with robust economic and industrial bases breaking off?

As we know, the American public is awash in conventional small arms, many of which will no doubt make it into the hands of rebel groups (both good and not-so-good, unfortunately). The stuff they lack can probably be made up for by cottage small-arms manufacturing akin to what you see in the Philippines, for example. Moreover, while I doubt they’d have many foreign suppliers of factory-made kit, the US Military’s own tendency to leave billions of dollars’ worth of gift-wrapped surplus all over the place is pretty much begging for the most well-equipped rebels in history to show up right on your own soil.

 

[Bacle]

Not much activity here lately, so bringing things back on track: Watched a National Geographic documentary on the War in Ukraine this weekend.

Besides lots of NATO kit, they also got creative via improvised hardware, such as toy drones strapped with explosives or 3D printing components. Didn’t mention much about cottage-manufactured small arms or ammunition (in large part because NATO’s probably supplying the good stuff), though I suspect you’ve still got machinists in more “outlying” places slapping crude Sten or Owen submachine gun expies together. Never mind all the captured and retrofitted Russian equipment, such as artillery pieces.

Seen in that light, I wonder if this provides any “glimpses” at what domestic insurgencies or secessionist factions in the US could bring to bear, assuming we don’t have large chunks of the country with robust economic and industrial bases breaking off?

As we know, the American public is awash in conventional small arms, many of which will no doubt make it into the hands of rebel groups (both good and not-so-good, unfortunately). The stuff they lack can probably be made up for by cottage small-arms manufacturing akin to what you see in the Philippines, for example. Moreover, while I doubt they’d have many foreign suppliers of factory-made kit, the US Military’s own tendency to leave billions of dollars’ worth of gift-wrapped surplus all over the place is pretty much begging for the most well-equipped rebels in history to show up right on your own soil.

Unless the rebels have their own nukes, none of it matters, because the Fed gov will still have the ultimate 'I Win' button for use against any rebels forces that actually threaten DC's control.

People think Swalwell was joking about nukes being the ultimate eliminator of any 'rebellion' in the US, but he's not wrong that most of the Left do expect nukes to be the power keeping any rebellion from actually forming into something that could actually challenge DC's military.

Doesn't matter how well people might build FPV/RPG combo's or get some small arms manufacturing going that DC cannot control, because all that matters is the political reliability of select portions of the nuclear command chain who ensure the security and usefulness of our warheads.

 

[Cherico]

The Soviet union had nukes it did diddly squat to prevent the fall

 

[Zyobot]

Unless the rebels have their own nukes, none of it matters, because the Fed gov will still have the ultimate 'I Win' button for use against any rebels forces that actually threaten DC's control.

People think Swalwell was joking about nukes being the ultimate eliminator of any 'rebellion' in the US, but he's not wrong that most of the Left do expect nukes to be the power keeping any rebellion from actually forming into something that could actually challenge DC's military.

Doesn't matter how well people might build FPV/RPG combo's or get some small arms manufacturing going that DC cannot control, because all that matters is the political reliability of select portions of the nuclear command chain who ensure the security and usefulness of our warheads.

Umm… pretty sure it’d be suicidally dumb of the Feds to nuke their own soil, friend.

Maybe you’d get a few crazed general officers and seething ideologues who want to, but ultimately, the costs of nuking your own country, your own infrastructure, and millions of your own citizens outweighs the benefits exponentially. In addition to how tons of economic assets are gone if you do that (farms, factories, power stations, and so on), your remaining citizens will run screaming into the open arms of the other side, while other nuclear powers watching from the sidelines threaten to fire their arsenals off at you lest they be next. Sure, I guess it’s theoretically possible the DC elites could become that desperate, but whatever victory they score will be the most pyrrhic in history at best — not the trump card you seem to believe it’d be.