2nd Civil War Theorycrafting Thread, Peaches Free

[Lanmandragon]

@Yinko
What about the Left getting “foreign aid”?

UN Peacekeepers get sent in en masse to “keep the peace” and are hailed as the Federation come today

Alternatively, they break open the US-Mexican Border and make deals with the cartels to allow them unlimited operations in the USA, so long as they help out

Some Antifa do have military experience-they fought with the Kurds against ISIS. But yeah good luck teaching the young comrades discipline.

That’s why the left relies on institutional support and when it fights on the street it relies on overwhelming numbers and the strength accorded to it through urban environments.

What I suspect is the left and liberals would seek to control sections of the military and police-to use them against the right. Rather than fight themselves.

I suspect it would also be very racialized. With a leftist government relying on black and Hispanic militias that were accorded wide operational latitude.

The right has its own issues. Ideological divides.

You’d have neo Nazis and white nationalists, you’d have Christian dominionists and the like, as well as more standard conservatives. Armed businessmen and young republicans. Mormons and Trad Catholics. All of which would jostle and jockey fiercely for control of any rightist coalition-likely with the aim of liquidating their allies when the war was over.

The left would in all likelihood retain control of some governments and thus the resources of said governments.

They're gonna have an issue with the Mexicans. They've already shown in tye riots that they aren't down. With gangs such as the Kings and such actively oving against them with violence. Now I'm not delusional enough to believe they'll side with us. I seriously doubt they'll back rye leftists either though. I'd say it's more likely that Hispanics form third side aka a wildcard. Then jump in on the winning side once it becomes obvious.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Yeah, they'd back a winning leftist government, and they'd back a prevailing rightist coalition(so long as it wasn't dominated by genocidal Neo Nazis a la the Turner Diaries).

The latter of which would unfortunately definitely exist and be a major problem for a rightist coalition. Both for tactical and PR reasons(obviously).

 

[Lanmandragon]

Yeah, they'd back a winning leftist government, and they'd back a prevailing rightist coalition(so long as it wasn't dominated by genocidal Neo Nazis a la the Turner Diaries).

Which is quite amusing as I found the left realizes. That Mexicans see them as an "ally of comvieance" as opposed to s legit ally.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Yinko]

Here's a question for you guys. Let's say, civil war happens and the Left overwhelmingly wins, with the worst possible social outcome. Where do you flee that you can be reasonably assured won't follow in the revolutionary footsteps?

Off the top of my head: the former Soviet countries already hate everything the Left stands for, even ones like Poland and Hungary. South and SE Asia are pretty conservative, though in quite different ways than you might expect. Parts of Latin America might be resistant, the middle-east is iffy right now.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Here's a question for you guys. Let's say, civil war happens and the Left overwhelmingly wins, with the worst possible social outcome. Where do you flee that you can be reasonably assured won't follow in the revolutionary footsteps?

Off the top of my head: the former Soviet countries already hate everything the Left stands for, even ones like Poland and Hungary. South and SE Asia are pretty conservative, though in quite different ways than you might expect. Parts of Latin America might be resistant, the middle-east is iffy right now.

Depends, are those nations even willing to take in what maybe possible Far Lefties

Because, remember Far Lefties flee to other areas but keep their politics most of the time

 

[Bacle]

Here's a question for you guys. Let's say, civil war happens and the Left overwhelmingly wins, with the worst possible social outcome. Where do you flee that you can be reasonably assured won't follow in the revolutionary footsteps?

Off the top of my head: the former Soviet countries already hate everything the Left stands for, even ones like Poland and Hungary. South and SE Asia are pretty conservative, though in quite different ways than you might expect. Parts of Latin America might be resistant, the middle-east is iffy right now.

Alaska.

You can get there easier than foreign nations, and the locals don't go for the woke shit. Easy place to disappear into the brush or off the grid.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Alaska.

You can get there easier than foreign nations, and the locals don't go for the woke shit. Easy place to disappear into the brush or off the grid.

I envision attempts by a scarred Elon Musk to make underground and underwater cities or start the beginnings and designs for them, at first he doesn't give the designs for free, but after making some cash to start stuff up, he releases the designs with the extra message "I'm NOT fucking WOKE. like those losers"

At first fears of the Far Left making use of them to somehow be prosperous are made, but then they screw over attempts by private individuals to build their own and the government made ones are crappy as hell

Eventually the Far Left launches an invasion of Alaska, but they're so bad with an actual armed forces and the like, that they lose hundreds of thousands of "soldiers" on the first day alone

 

[almostinsane]

Here's a question for you guys. Let's say, civil war happens and the Left overwhelmingly wins, with the worst possible social outcome. Where do you flee that you can be reasonably assured won't follow in the revolutionary footsteps?

Off the top of my head: the former Soviet countries already hate everything the Left stands for, even ones like Poland and Hungary. South and SE Asia are pretty conservative, though in quite different ways than you might expect. Parts of Latin America might be resistant, the middle-east is iffy right now.

Philippines. I can apply for residency through my wife.

 

[LordsFire]

Here's a question for you guys. Let's say, civil war happens and the Left overwhelmingly wins, with the worst possible social outcome. Where do you flee that you can be reasonably assured won't follow in the revolutionary footsteps?

Off the top of my head: the former Soviet countries already hate everything the Left stands for, even ones like Poland and Hungary. South and SE Asia are pretty conservative, though in quite different ways than you might expect. Parts of Latin America might be resistant, the middle-east is iffy right now.

Honestly, this situation is so far from reality that I can't really answer it meaningfully. I'd say we need another 30 years of unchecked social decay where 'overwhelming victory' for the Left is even a practical possibility, and by that point, who knows what kind of shape the world will be in?

Maybe Venezuela will have risen from the ashes to be the most anti-communist nation in the world. Maybe China will have.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Here's a question for you guys. Let's say, civil war happens and the Left overwhelmingly wins, with the worst possible social outcome. Where do you flee that you can be reasonably assured won't follow in the revolutionary footsteps?

Off the top of my head: the former Soviet countries already hate everything the Left stands for, even ones like Poland and Hungary. South and SE Asia are pretty conservative, though in quite different ways than you might expect. Parts of Latin America might be resistant, the middle-east is iffy right now.

I'd probably go to Russia, Poland, or Israel, whether I'd be accepted or not is a different matter.

I suspect in such an event American "Whites" would flee likely to Russia, Eastern Europe, perhaps the Philippines, maybe a few to South America, and Israel.

Western Europe, China and Africa would likely be off bounds.

 

[Deleted member]

Paraguay has visa less entry for Americans and automatic permanent residency for someone investing more than 11k USD into the country. Go there and buy a cattle ranch.

 

[Deleted member 88]

A large emigre population would be a headache for any country, Russia and Israel in particular would not want a large number of Americans with military experience and ideological convictions disrupting their own societies and politics.

Paraguay and Argentina would have similar attitudes, at least eventually-if enough Americans moved and started buying up land then it would trigger a great deal of local unrest. They would welcome american investment at first, but if their rural land was in the hand of American emigres? I think that would be a source of trouble.

If a SACW happened, a leftist victory is not at all impossible, after all the Bolsheviks triumphed in Russia, despite five years of war and a coalition of powers at least nominally against them. A disciplined left in the US with enough clients and foreign support, very well could achieve the same thing.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Does Mexico want to get Texas back and maybe more?

 

[PsihoKekec]

I'd probably go to Russia, Poland, or Israel, whether I'd be accepted or not is a different matter.

It's difficult to get residency in Russia, have to be a Jew if you want to move to Israel, I think Poland is also difficult to settle in.

 

[Aldarion]

Yeah, they'd back a winning leftist government, and they'd back a prevailing rightist coalition(so long as it wasn't dominated by genocidal Neo Nazis a la the Turner Diaries).

The latter of which would unfortunately definitely exist and be a major problem for a rightist coalition. Both for tactical and PR reasons(obviously).

That is something I never understood. Modern political discourse has moved so much leftwards that a winning leftist government is almost by definition genocidal (what was the last time you saw a leftist opposing mass immigration)? So why do so many people find one acceptable but not the other? For another example, here in Croatia, we have dozens of statues of Tito but not ove of Pavelić. Yet both were mass murdering criminals; Pavelić may have been worse in "people killed per year" but Tito has massive advantage in absolute number of people murdered, yet he is the one of the two who has statues. And from what I have seen, situation is similar in the West when it comes to Communist criminals.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Tito had charisma in spades, while even his own side didn't really like Pavelič. I guess no one likes lawyers.

 

[Deleted member 88]

That is something I never understood. Modern political discourse has moved so much leftwards that a winning leftist government is almost by definition genocidal (what was the last time you saw a leftist opposing mass immigration)? So why do so many people find one acceptable but not the other? For another example, here in Croatia, we have dozens of statues of Tito but not ove of Pavelić. Yet both were mass murdering criminals; Pavelić may have been worse in "people killed per year" but Tito has massive advantage in absolute number of people murdered, yet he is the one of the two who has statues. And from what I have seen, situation is similar in the West when it comes to Communist criminals.

Eh Fascism is the villain of the 20th century and modernity in general. Communism isn’t seen as the world ending demonic force the former are. Therefore Communism is seen as “less bad” or driven by good intentions.

Stephen King said something to the effect of “communist violence was built on idealistic or Promethean intentions. It was bad but it was badness in service to some good however remote or impossible, Fascism is Dionysian in the since it revels in violence for violence, dark for dark, and wants to make the world worse as a whole”.

Basically communists have good intentions and do bad things in service to their intentions, and fascists/nationalists have intentions which are not good due to their particular aims. Therefore they are more bad.

That’s basically the ruling ideology in the West’s today and its intelligentsia’s attitude towards why fascism/nationalism is worse than communism.

 

[Aldarion]

Eh Fascism is the villain of the 20th century and modernity in general. Communism isn’t seen as the world ending demonic force the former are. Therefore Communism is seen as “less bad” or driven by good intentions.

Stephen King said something to the effect of “communist violence was built on idealistic or Promethean intentions. It was bad but it was badness in service to some good however remote or impossible, Fascism is Dionysian in the since it revels in violence for violence, dark for dark, and wants to make the world worse as a whole”.

Basically communists have good intentions and do bad things in service to their intentions, and fascists/nationalists have intentions which are not good due to their particular aims. Therefore they are more bad.

That’s basically the ruling ideology in the West’s today and its intelligentsia’s attitude towards why fascism/nationalism is worse than communism.

Agreed. Problem is... I will make a thread about it someday, but even the "idealistic intentions" of Communism are, once you think about them, worse than what fascism argues for. Basically, while Fascism is Nightmare Fuel, Communism is Fridge Horror. Only reason why Fascism even seems worse is that it is more honest...

 

[Cherico]

Eh Fascism is the villain of the 20th century and modernity in general. Communism isn’t seen as the world ending demonic force the former are. Therefore Communism is seen as “less bad” or driven by good intentions.

Stephen King said something to the effect of “communist violence was built on idealistic or Promethean intentions. It was bad but it was badness in service to some good however remote or impossible, Fascism is Dionysian in the since it revels in violence for violence, dark for dark, and wants to make the world worse as a whole”.

Basically communists have good intentions and do bad things in service to their intentions, and fascists/nationalists have intentions which are not good due to their particular aims. Therefore they are more bad.

That’s basically the ruling ideology in the West’s today and its intelligentsia’s attitude towards why fascism/nationalism is worse than communism.

I've met and talked to actual commnists and socialists their intentions are not good.