Vyor
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To a certain extent, yes, but he lacks the desire for Order I feel is necessary for the country to thrive.
This I will agree with and, hey, I prefer him to Mitch and he's far better than Romney's ilk.
United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread
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Man... sometimes I sit here and wish that our political extremes were defined by @Bacle, @Vyor, @Abhorsen, and myself... this may sound like I'm wishing for government that agrees with itself, but in actually the four of us are WILDLY divided on so many issues that if the Democrats and Left in the US hadn't gone crazy there's a really good chance that both Bacle and Abhorsen would be Democrats while Vyor and I represent two different historic strains of Republicans...
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Terthna
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Not sure where that would leave me; as while I've found myself myself agreeing with all of you on various topics, there are others where the divide is so strong I can't see myself sharing a political party with any of you.
Vyor
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What can I say? I've always had a bit of moose in me.
Eh, I would, in such a world, likely fall on the left adjacent sorta thing, @S'task is right. I believe in abortion up to 8-12 weeks, gay marriage, mass drug legalization, adult trans rights to pay for a transition, a lot of police/criminal justice reform, etc. Also, my personal behavior has some definite libertine elements, as well as being an athiest/agnostic, and some other stuff.
But I look at the lefty elements, even of libertarianism, and I go wtf! It's so freaking awful. I wish they weren't this way. But they are, and so I'm on the right (though the econ was never in question, I was always on the right economically once I did any econ).
Also, on a less shocking note, so many of the libertines I see (and know personally) are just fucked in the head, and let their libertine-ness define them, instead of having that as something they do. They choose to become a bunch of labels. I watch friends grabbing mental illnesses like pokemon, then showing them off to people. People I thought were okay people out of the blue advocating up to birth abortion. It really gave me a ton of respect for religion, honestly. I see what most people become without it or something else greater than themselves: just empty vessels. The scariest part? I could have ended up like that so easily. So, so, easily. I can just picture it.
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Vyor
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See, even I'm pro most of those things.
What makes me not libertarian are my foreign and economic policies. A mixed market economy with a robust culture of charity (actual charity, not government give mes) is objectively the most stable and happy metric. Too many regulations and government programs cause the issues we see with the economy right now, but on the other hand too few cause Trust and Cartel based issues (we can see the result of which in the DRAM market, constant price fluctuations upwards whenever new fabs come online to keep profits higher than the supply would normally allow and that actual competition would never sustain).
What do you have against mixed race people?
yeah what your discribing is called populism.
Its something that happens only when some one has fucked up big time, because it involves a whole bunch of people who normally disagree on everything putting all of their issues aside because fuck those guys in particular. Normally after said issues causing this have been solved the populist movement disolves and normal politics begins anew.
And you'd be wrong.
Because I hate illegal immigration, hate the wokening of academia and society as a whole, hate the 'you cannot misgender that person or you are going to jail' type attitude of parts of the Dems, the ignoring the jihadi's in their midst (Talib and Omar), the fucking stuff like harassing Master Piece Cake Shop continuously.
I'm a Registered Independent for a reason, and it's because the Dems lost the damn plot; I just didn't see anyone on the Right worth supporting till Trump.
Maybe stop acting like just because I care about the environment, don't hate taxes, and don't hold to all the views of tradcons or establishment GOP that I am just another 'Dem' without a D by my name.
This purity spiral BS a lot of the establishment type/tradcon type in the GOP engage in against independent voters is completely self-defeating. The GOP has to convince independents to vote for it, not act like it is owed their vote, and treating independent's like they are part of the Dems (which you comparison implies) doesn't help things.
The only thing I'd point out is that government is also a monopoly. Perfect world, I'd love an impartial god smite all the monopolists. In practice? This is used as an excuse to create monopolies.
You seemed to have missed S'task's point. The views above should be normal for all sides, from D to R. And without those views being R views, but instead being normal views, yeah you are a D in every respect. You like the socialism of FDR and Cost Plus Contracts, and what you condemn as 'purity spiraling' is basic conservativism.
You, like me, are stuck in a position of asking "is allying with republicans worth it?" What you can't do is what you try to do: fundamentally change what the Republicans believe in to engineer a win for progressive economics, any more than I'll get a win for legalizing heroin. Instead, work on what you can accomplish while within a republican frame of possibility.
Blasterbot
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Certain views have to be held to be a loyal opposition. otherwise you end up as simply the opposition to the country you were born in.
DarthOne
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Thats part of what i went through. That and also I sort of 'allowed' myself to be fooled by the bullshit.
49ersfootball
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I was referring to that isolationist jackass filth from KY.
Again, do you have any reasoning for this? Something in particular he did?
You have yet to really say WHY you don't like Paul. He's really not a pure isolationist either. He does want to uninvolve us in foreign wars, that's certainly true.
49ersfootball
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He's just spewing talking points from Putin, etc.,
The US must lead the world. If we don't, our enemies will!
TheRomanSlayer
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No.
I consider unipolarism as fundamentally detrimental to the majority of the Third World nations, which are majority non-white. What do we colored people get out of American unipolarism anyways? Nothing but pure resentment.
DarthOne
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Oh good Lord, what time portal spat you out from the 50's?