United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[Cherico]

Because the world is connected internationally and we trade with each other.

Sure let's go completely isolated. Bye bye any and all major tech we could get as we rely on a few Asian countries.
Oh shit well bye to damn near every technological advancement we could help with.

Welcome to the age of the internet

When you actually look at things the united states is one of the less connected countries to international trade. During trumps reign we locked down both Mexico and Canada into our economy which accounts for most of our trade. Then we cut deals with Australia, and Japan which put another chunk into our system.

The last thing were working on is the UK who are going to get a really shitty deal because they wasted everyones time and we honestly don't need them in our trade network to do just fine. Their like a cherry added on top for sentimental reasons. Once that's all locked down the us is actually quite fine as an independent trading block.

We more or less got everything we need to function with just those trading partners.

 

[Bacle]

When you actually look at things the united states is one of the less connected countries to international trade. During trumps reign we locked down both Mexico and Canada into our economy which accounts for most of our trade. Then we cut deals with Australia, and Japan which put another chunk into our system.

The last thing were working on is the UK who are going to get a really shitty deal because they wasted everyones time and we honestly don't need them in our trade network to do just fine. Their like a cherry added on top for sentimental reasons. Once that's all locked down the us is actually quite fine as an independent trading block.

We more or less got everything we need to function with just those trading partners.

Sure, but does everything those trading partners need come from the US and Western Hemisphere, or does a lot of our allies trade go through the Suez Canal?

Because you're going to find a lot of our allies trade with each other moves through the Suez and Red Sea, particularly Japanese, Philippino, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and South Korean products going to European markets or European goods flowing to Asia.

Trying to pretend the US can keep shit running while ignoring the old world and the bad blood there is not feasible anymore, and some parts of US politics need to grow up and accept this.

 

[Cherico]

Sure, but does everything those trading partners need come from the US and Western Hemisphere, or does a lot of our allies trade go through the Suez Canal?

Because you're going to find a lot of our allies trade with each other moves through the Suez and Red Sea, particularly Japanese, Philippino, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and South Korean products going to European markets or European goods flowing to Asia.

Trying to pretend the US can keep shit running while ignoring the old world and the bad blood there is not feasible anymore, and some parts of US politics need to grow up and accept this.

Its going to be a painful adjustment for us.

But its a recession not a depression, and then we will be fine. I know you think we should keep involved in the old world but the fact is the political will to get in that situation doesn't really exist. America has to focus on putting its own house back into order before we try to fix up the rest of the world.

 

[49ersfootball]

When you actually look at things the united states is one of the less connected countries to international trade. During trumps reign we locked down both Mexico and Canada into our economy which accounts for most of our trade. Then we cut deals with Australia, and Japan which put another chunk into our system.

The last thing were working on is the UK who are going to get a really shitty deal because they wasted everyones time and we honestly don't need them in our trade network to do just fine. Their like a cherry added on top for sentimental reasons. Once that's all locked down the us is actually quite fine as an independent trading block.

We more or less got everything we need to function with just those trading partners.

Yet the British seems to be fine without relying on the European Union.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Because the world is connected internationally and we trade with each other.

Sure let's go completely isolated. Bye bye any and all major tech we could get as we rely on a few Asian countries.
Oh shit well bye to damn near every technological advancement we could help with.

Welcome to the age of the internet

Nah we can design and innovate all of that, the various empires within western civilization has been doing that for 6,000 years after all.

Since when are the Egyptians barbarians?

Nah, not the Copts or the Persians, but the ethnic group that got into Iran and Egypt and spent 9 centuries conquering them by genocide via rape.

Those guys? Yeah they're a civilization of locusts who rape and kill and steal and have been doing that since before their false prophet organized them and made them more efficient at it.

Why should Egypt be made to suffer under Iranian IRBM/AShM threat from the Houthi's, and why should the Iranians be allowed to continue to launch IRBMs into Saudi Arabia?

Because it's high time those ancient and August peoples rise up and eject the Arab vandals from their societies and take their nations back and as long as we are meddling in their affairs they won't do that.

And because the Americas can be self sufficient.

The Dream of the Pax Americana as envisioned in the 18th century and what the European Empires of old feared as a new world order dominated by New York, Buenos Aires, Havana and Rio De Janeiro.

Not some bureaucratic cesspit in a dying country run by a bunch of self hating peoples who chose cultural suicide.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Why should Egypt be made to suffer under Iranian IRBM/AShM threat from the Houthi's, and why should the Iranians be allowed to continue to launch IRBMs into Saudi Arabia?

Because they're not Americans. Not our circus, as the saying goes.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

The last time Egypt got culturally enriched as aggressively as its been by the Arabs it lead to half millennia dark age that necessitated a group of even bigger lunatics to bail them out and that resulted in both those civilizations getting mutually absorbed by Iran or rather the Persian Empire and then Greece and then a bunch of Italian gigachads. Who were then utterly wrecked by a Germanic welfare riot that converted large tracts of North Africa into petty Kingdoms, who themselves were migrated into with a vengeance by the mohammedins. Who then got cucked by a bunch of slavs then reverse cucked by the Arabs

Notice the pattern?

The civilization that steps in to help Egypt always gets fucked up the ass in the long run


Forget Afghanistan as the graveyard of Empires.

Egypt is the civilizational OnlyFans model and anyone who bails them out is the simp who burns his life savings for some smiles.

Fuck that noise.

 

[Blasterbot]

Yet the British seems to be fine without relying on the European Union.

the British have been a stream of comedy gold the entire time the conservatives have been in power. the only reason they have stayed in power is because of how insane labor has been.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

And I'm not an Egypt detractor. I consider Memphis and Thebes to the grandparents of western civilization and I will vehemently dispute the age and longevity of their Empire with anyone.

But really.

These are a very ancient people who have been through this before. Let them carry their own weight for once.

 

[Vyor]

Its going to be a painful adjustment for us.

But its a recession not a depression, and then we will be fine. I know you think we should keep involved in the old world but the fact is the political will to get in that situation doesn't really exist. America has to focus on putting its own house back into order before we try to fix up the rest of the world.

Nah we can design and innovate all of that, the various empires within western civilization has been doing that for 6,000 years after all.

Ok, say goodbye to:
Nvidia
AMD
All Intel GPU projects
IBM
Intel Foundries(which would only still exist period because intel recently made a modern few fabs in the US instead of Israel)
All US designed super computers
Cell Phones
TVs
Monitors
Screens
Lithium Batteries
Computer Cases
Laptops
Motherboards
Silicon Wafers(aka goodbye all US fabs)


Oh, and we literally can't rebuild any of this because we don't have the fucking material to do it. There is literally only one company on earth that makes Fabrication equipment and they're based out of europe, and if it were possible to do the same as them people would have done it because their machines sell for hundreds of millions each.

Goodbye to the modern world, hello 1800s.

 

[Blasterbot]

we have access to the raw materials. we have access to the patents. we are mostly just unwilling to invest. none of what you listed HAS to be made anywhere else. it is made outside the US because we decided to stop investing in those markets. and since we stopped investing the tech has moved on. starting it back up is an expensive but needed thing for us.

 

[Zachowon]

we have access to the raw materials. we have access to the patents. we are mostly just unwilling to invest. none of what you listed HAS to be made anywhere else. it is made outside the US because we decided to stop investing in those markets. and since we stopped investing the tech has moved on. starting it back up is an expensive but needed thing for us.

We never invented it and some of the time we don't even have the patents for some of them.
It is less "We can totally done it had we not given it away" it is more, we had it but others got ahead once they got the tech from us.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Semiconductor fabs are one of those areas where you can literally build a multimillion dollar, state of the art chip factory one year and have it be obsolete within the next two to three years. The advancement in high performance CPU and GPUs is that totally dependent on new fabrication methods to produce ever-smaller chip process nodes.

 

[Vyor]

we have access to the raw materials.

No, we don't. We literally do not have the silicon needed. It needs to be harvested from a very specific area in a specific desert in africa.

it is made outside the US because we decided to stop investing in those markets. and since we stopped investing the tech has moved on.

Intel is literally a US company and even they struggle to make proper fabs. They poor billions on billions of dollars into it and they are behind both TSMC and Samsung in a lot of ways.

 

[DarthOne]

No, we don't. We literally do not have the silicon needed. It needs to be harvested from a very specific area in a specific desert in africa.


Intel is literally a US company and even they struggle to make proper fabs. They poor billions on billions of dollars into it and they are behind both TSMC and Samsung in a lot of ways.

Then we find a work around, either via a different material or find some way to ship that material that doesn’t involve a nightmarish mix of treaties and obligations.

All the more reason for the USA to get its act together, take a hatchet to our education system and toss aside all the useless woke bullshit and brainwashing which is no doubt playing a part in holding us back.

Because we either do this voluntarily or we’ll be doing it involuntarily whenever the whole system comes apart. And the second option is going to be much more painful.

 

[Bacle]

Then we find a work around, either via a different material or find some way to ship that material that doesn’t involve a nightmarish mix of treaties and obligations.

All the more reason for the USA to get its act together, take a hatchet to our education system and toss aside all the useless woke bullshit and brainwashing which is no doubt playing a part in holding us back.

Because we either do this voluntarily or we’ll be doing it involuntarily whenever the whole system comes apart. And the second option is going to be much more painful.

You think people haven't tried to find work arounds for the bottle-necks in the supply chains for semi-conductor/fab equipment, or designs that work with other materials?

Turns out that unless we want to try to run our whole nation on vacuum tubes, and unless we can independently find a way to not need the patented equipment that only comes from one company in Europe, we don't have any real work arounds for this problem.

Also, the system won't 'come apart', because too many people are invested in the status quo and quite frankly do not want a civil war or revolution, even if they do think DC is corrupt or working against them.

Waiting for the Boogaloo to kick off or for the American Caesar to march on DC is a long wait for a train that will never come.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

You think people haven't tried to find work arounds for the bottle-necks in the supply chains for semi-conductor/fab equipment, or designs that work with other materials?

If it hasn't been solved then they haven't worked well enough and are still smugly managing our decline.

I'm fine with letting people like Zach do more than larp though. If he wants blood for Mithras so badly he can go and conquer some shithole while American companies strip mine it.

But fuck this "we need to go to war to protect a bunch of assholes who undermine and weaken and harm us."

 

[Vyor]

Then we find a work around, either via a different material or find some way to ship that material that doesn’t involve a nightmarish mix of treaties and obligations.

You want magic then.

If it hasn't been solved then they haven't worked well enough and are still smugly managing our decline.

IBM, Global Foundries, ASML, Samsung, TSMC, and Intel have been working the past two decades straight to find a replacement for Silicon. There are promising candidates but that's all they are: candidates. Best guess from them is that they'll be ready by the late 2030s, 2040s for products.

 

[DarthOne]

Wait, wait wait. Silicon?! I’m gonna need a source for the ‘materials for it can only be found in one desert in Africa’ claim. Because I think you got that bit wrong.

edit oops

 

[Sailor.X]

Wait, wait wait. Silicone?! I’m gonna need a source for the ‘materials for it can only be found in one desert in Africa’ claim. Because I think you got that bit wrong.

Yeah I think the claim is not accurate
Silicon dioxide exports by country |2019 (worldbank.org)