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Bacle

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That you think "Iran's there, so we have to be there" is a valid argument says everything about you. That you think vague 'US interests' are worth this

or this:

tells us everything about where your priorities are. The US government is doing evil, funding Al Qaeda, starving kids. It needs to stop. Damn your 'interests'.
International waterways being under AShM threat from Iranian proxies is a threat to anyone in the area, including our allies like Japan.

Or did you forget when Iran tried to seize those Japanese ships not that long ago?

US pulling out won't alleviate any suffering and will put heavily trafficked waterways under even more threat from terrorists with anti-ship missiles and IRBMs, which is what you do not seem to get.

You just want to live in your AnCap fantasy land, while the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your NAP.
 

S'task

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But the uniparty isn't real and it doesn't rig elections

Uhh... OK, while I do think there's some truth to the "uniparty" idea, this quote from McConnel isn't actually one that supports the idea. Remember: a lot of the Trump backed candidates whom won their primaries were financially backed by the Democrats in the primaries, who appears to have correctly judged that those candidates would be easier to beat. As such, McConnell wishing for greater party control over things to field stronger candidates that are not trojan horses is to a degree understandable given the level of dirty politics the Dems appear to be playing at these days with the enabling of the media (an honest media would have DESTROYED the Democrats for this, as their rhetoric and their spending were clearly in conflict, but no, they enabled it... of course).

So yeah, this ain't really evidence of the uniparty idea... especially not compared to the other shit McConnell has done in the lame duck session to sell out conservatives.
 

History Learner

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This is false. He never had control of Congress or the Court. The Republican Congress (ie. establishment) fought him all the way. And the idea that Trump controlled the SCOTUS is hilarious.

Except for the fact the 115th Congress had 246 GOP House members, 54 Republican Senators and during his tenure, Trump appointed three SCOTUS judges, a full third of the sitting court. If we're going with the idea the Establishment prevented him from doing anything, please explain how he got those three judges appointed and his tax bill passed. Further, if we take your argument at face value, explain to me why any of us should vote for him again if he's too weak to do anything? Your explanation presents him as a coward, not a hero.

Wait a minute, why are we even bothering? HL is a commie RPing as a republican in this thread.

For as much as you all aspire to present yourselves as Ben Shapiro types or whatever, it's remarkable how very little you care for facts and ultimately degrade into the boilerplate Liberal tier personal attacks.
 
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Abhorsen

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@Abhorsen I mean, us pulling out won't stop anything
It'll stop our responsibility for it. It'll stop making it worse.

International waterways being under AShM threat from Iranian proxies is a threat to anyone in the area, including our allies like Japan.

Or did you forget when Iran tried to seize those Japanese ships not that long ago?

US pulling out won't alleviate any suffering and will put heavily trafficked waterways under even more threat from terrorists with anti-ship missiles and IRBMs, which is what you do not seem to get.

You just want to live in your AnCap fantasy land, while the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your NAP.
The reason why they attack us, is because we are over there doing this horrific shit. This idea that somehow the US is innocent is just dumb. The US being there is exactly what harms our security. Going to Iraq and Afghanistan just made more terrorists and more frequent terrorist attacks. Supporting the 'moderate rebels' (frequently ISIS) in Syria caused the migrants to flood Europe. The same is true here: nothing good comes of this.

Also, killing innocent people because of 'US interests' is still fucking awful. War is fucking awful, not just a button to push. Basically, I'm telling you to stop being a neo-con.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Except for the fact the 115th Congress had 246 GOP House members, 54 Republican Senators and during his tenure, Trump appointed three SCOTUS judges, a full third of the sitting court. If we're going with the idea the Establishment prevented him from doing anything, please explain how he got those three judges appointed and his tax bill passed. Further, if we take your argument at face value, explain to me why any of us should vote for him again if he's too weak to do anything? Your explanation presents him as a coward, not a hero.

Amy Coney Barret and Brett Kavanaugh are institutional simps. Pathetic rino fucks who are John Roberts clones. Gorsuch was the only pick Trump got worth a damn. And only then because Gorsuch is crazy and undermines our institutions by existing. so yeah the establishment got what it wanted there as well minus one schizo.

Trump's first term is only saved from being a lame duck"more of the same" presidency because he managed to temporarily wrest control of the economy from the globalists.

It'll stop our responsibility for it. It'll stop making it worse.


The reason why they attack us, is because we are over there doing this horrific shit. This idea that somehow the US is innocent is just dumb. The US being there is exactly what harms our security. Going to Iraq and Afghanistan just made more terrorists and more frequent terrorist attacks. Supporting the 'moderate rebels' (frequently ISIS) in Syria caused the migrants to flood Europe. The same is true here: nothing good comes of this.

Also, killing innocent people because of 'US interests' is still fucking awful. War is fucking awful, not just a button to push. Basically, I'm telling you to stop being a neo-con.

Time for a South American take: the only way Europe and the Middle East are gonna get better is if we let those regions collapse and bleed out all their institutional and cultural bad blood.

America should build a fortress around its hemisphere and tell the rest of the world to go fuck itself and then ignore it for a generation. Or two.

Let it all burn and then come in and pillage the remnants and reorganize them into what we want and then return to ignoring them once we got what we want

Tldr: fuck the old world.
 
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Bacle

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It'll stop our responsibility for it. It'll stop making it worse.


The reason why they attack us, is because we are over there doing this horrific shit. This idea that somehow the US is innocent is just dumb. The US being there is exactly what harms our security. Going to Iraq and Afghanistan just made more terrorists and more frequent terrorist attacks. Supporting the 'moderate rebels' (frequently ISIS) in Syria caused the migrants to flood Europe. The same is true here: nothing good comes of this.

Also, killing innocent people because of 'US interests' is still fucking awful. War is fucking awful, not just a button to push. Basically, I'm telling you to stop being a neo-con.
Us leaving won't change a thing, except more people Iran hates will die and more ships will come under threat trying to get into the Red Sea. It's not the US being there that is causng problems, it's that Saudi Arabia and Iran really hate each other, regardless of our presence, because of the Shia-Sunni split.

I know geo-politics isn't the strong suit of AnCaps, but I would have hoped at least basic geography and understanding of geostrategic choke-points might have made it through the wall of NAP-worship and AnCap fantasies.

Also, well, the neo-cons have been proven right about Russia and Iran, several times over.
 

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Us leaving won't change a thing, except more people Iran hates will die and more ships will come under threat trying to get into the Red Sea. It's not the US being there that is causng problems, it's that Saudi Arabia and Iran really hate each other, regardless of our presence, because of the Shia-Sunni split.

Okay. And why should we care?

Seriously, outside of this being a great reason why relying on overseas trade is a bad idea and that we need to bring industry back to America, I fail to see why the USA should involve ourselves in more overseas squabbling.

In fact, I more then half suspect the reason why the US’s political establishment is so determined to undermine US industry is that it gives them an excuse to get involved overseas and get money from the military-industrial complex and so on by ensuring the USA feels it needs to get involved in foreign wars and keep up its global empire.
 
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Bacle

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Okay. And why should we care?

Seriously, outside of this being a great reason why relying on overseas trade is a bad idea and that we need to bring industry back to America, I fail to see why the USA should involve ourselves in more overseas squabbling.

In fact I more then have suspect the reason why the US’s political establishment is so determined to undermine US industry is that it gives them an excuse to get involved and get money from the military-industrial complex and so on by ensuring the USA feels it needs to get involved overseas and keep up its global empire.
Because AShMs with the range to close off the Red Sea and threaten the Suez Canal to commercial traffic affect everyone, even us.

The world's economy is dependent on unfettered access to both the Panama Canal and the Suez Canal. Close off or threaten even one with long term closure, and the cost of everything goes up if ships are forces to go around the tips of Africa and South America again.

Even the Pharoahs built their own system of canals to connect the Med and Red Sea, because they knew how vital that link is.

The Houthi's have already shown they will fire IRBMs into Saudi Arabia and launch anti-shipping missiles at US and allied ships years ago. They've stuck limpet mines on tankers and cargo ships throughout the region, and did you forget that time Iran grabbed a bunch of US service members in the Gulf and forced us to do a prisoner swap for them.

If the Houthi's control all of Yemen, they can launch IRBMs at the Suez Canal and Egypt pretty easily, along with effectively closing off the Red Sea to all non-Iranian friendly sea traffic. As well, they could then launch even more attacks into Saudi Arabia if they had complete control of Yemen, and be a threat to a lot of maritime traffic in the Eastern Indian ocean as well. Turns out a lot of our Asian allies have vital trade links in the region, and it is no less vital to many of our European allies.

It's like some people here have forgotten how much our modern world and modern economies is predicated on the Suez Canal existing in an open and unimpeded state, and how much the gear the Houthi's have can threaten that.

The US pulling out of the war in Yemen will not do anything but make it easier for the Houthi's and Iran to threaten even more people and international trade.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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It's like some people here have forgotten how much our modern world and modern economies is predicated on the Suez Canal existing in an open and unimpeded state, and how much the gear the Houthi's have can threaten that.

We haven't forgotten, we are saying we never should have been dependent on those barbarians and their canal in the first place. And it's a good thing that it gets cut off because now we have an excuse to begin reorienting economies in the Americas to be reliant on no one outside of our hemisphere.

Fuck them all.

Let the old world burn.

They don't matter.

No one matters outside of the Americas. They have abused us and been a bunch of thankless cucks long enough.
 
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Zachowon

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Because the world is connected internationally and we trade with each other.

Sure let's go completely isolated. Bye bye any and all major tech we could get as we rely on a few Asian countries.
Oh shit well bye to damn near every technological advancement we could help with.

Welcome to the age of the internet
 

49ersfootball

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We haven't forgotten, we are saying we never should have been dependent on those barbarians and their canal in the first place. And it's a good thing that it gets cut off because now we have an excuse to begin reorienting economies in the Americas to be reliant on no one outside of our hemisphere.

Fuck them all.

Let the old world burn.

They don't matter.

No one matters outside of the Americas. They have abused us and been a bunch of thankless cucks long enough.
YIKES!
 

Bacle

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We haven't forgotten, we are saying we never should have been dependent on those barbarians and their canal in the first place.
Since when are the Egyptians barbarians?

Like, the Egyptians, out all the groups in the area, have never been barbarians, even when those around them fell to the Sea Peoples and Bronze Age Collapse. The People of the Pharaohs have endured and kept their culture, even in the face of all the change the region has gone through, and are one of the actually level headed players in the region these days.

Why should Egypt be made to suffer under Iranian IRBM/AShM threat from the Houthi's, and why should the Iranians be allowed to continue to launch IRBMs into Saudi Arabia?
 

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