History Learner

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Yet Republicans still control the majority of the statewide offices in Georgia including supermajority in both chambers of the Georgia General Assembly.

Big question is whether the Georgia Democrats will flip them in a few years?

I'm skeptical, given underlying trends; Georgia could be doing what North Carolina did in the 2000s. Most of the Democratic margin in the State is due to how much of the electorate are Black voters and because of suburban disgruntlement with the Trump era GOP. First, to examine the former:





So, we have a combination of low fertility and high mortality among Black Georgians. It's gruesome math but, just being blunt about it, that means Georgia is going to become more White over time and we know Whites, regardless of age, skew Republican:



For a bit of irony, those 30-44 voters were 18-29 voters in 2008; Obama Millennials ended up voting exactly like their Boomer parents did as they aged. Noticeably, Gen X is also very Republican; again, we see White voters become more Republican as they age. However, what really has seen the Democrats do so good the last few cycles is their gains among Suburban Whites. There is reason to be skeptical this will continue, though:

Contrary to popular perception, less than a third of the suburban vote nationwide is made up of college-educated whites, the presumed locus of maximum appeal for anti-MAGAism. In fact, about three-fifths of suburban white voters are working class (noncollege).​
It is widely misunderstood how vital the latter voters were to Biden’s victory in 2020. While suburban white college voters shifted around 10 margin points toward Biden, suburban white working class voters also had a solid 5 point pro-Democratic shift. Because of this group’s larger size, their shift toward Biden contributed almost as much to the Democrats’ improved margin over Trump in 2020 as suburban white college voters.​
And just how liberal are these college-educated voters anyway? Overall, according to Gallup, just 30 percent of adults with a four year degree only describe themselves as liberal and 36 percent of those with some postgraduate education (the less numerous group) do so. Putting this together with the data about suburban demographics, this implies that perhaps one-ninth (a third of a third) of suburban voters are white college-educated liberals. Perhaps the figure is a bit higher but I doubt that it’s much higher.​
To drill down a bit further, consider some illustrative data from once and future battleground states. In Pennsylvania, suburban voters are either around urban cores in large metro areas (Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown, Harrisburg, Scranton) or in small metro areas (Erie, Reading, Lancaster, York, etc). According to analysis by William Frey of Brookings, the former areas are 58 percent white noncollege to 29 percent white college, while the latter areas are 64 percent white working class to 23 percent white college.​
In Wisconsin, the situation is no different. Suburbs around Milwaukee and Madison are 53 percent white working class to 37 percent white college while Wisconsin’s smaller metro areas (Oshkosh, Green Bay, Appleton, etc) are 65 percent white noncollege to 25 percent white college.​
And in Georgia, the Atlanta and Augusta suburbs are 49 percent white working class to just 19 percent white college, while the small metro areas (Savannah, Macon, etc.) are 42 percent white noncollege to 18 percent white college. There are large proportions of black and secondarily Hispanic voters in these suburbs but they are generally less liberal than white college graduates and more focused on economic issues (only 33 percent of black voters and 22 percent of Hispanic voters in battleground states could name a specific thing that President Biden and the Democratic majority in Congress have done in the last two years that has directly helped them in their lives).​
This suggests that Democrats’ hold on the suburban vote—such as it is—is far more tenuous than might be implied by the popular image of socially liberal, college-educated suburban voters who can no longer countenance voting for the GOP under any circumstances. Democrats’ target suburban voters must necessarily include legions of moderate and/or working class voters who might not draw as much sustenance from a steady diet of anti-MAGAism as Democrats anticipate.​
And just how much hold do the Democrats have on suburban voters anyway? In the AP/NORC VoteCast survey, the most reliable election survey available, Democrats carried suburban voters nationwide by a single point in 2022. That’s a slippage of 9 points from the Democrats’ 10 point margin in 2020. Interestingly, the slippage in Democratic support from 2020 to 2022 was actually larger among nonwhite than white suburban voters.​
 

History Learner

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"Dump Trump"

What about him makes him bad?

I worked on Republican campaigns in 2015 and almost did again in 2016; I tried to organize a Students for Trump chapter at my school as well. In other words, I was an extremely enthusiastic 2016 backer, but by 2020 I did a write in ballot. I did not give a shit about mean Tweets or whatever, decorum to me never really mattered given the stakes that were obvious in 2016 and thereafter. The reason I stopped caring and voting for him was precisely because he is, and was, a failure. Whether this was was because he is not competent enough for the job, he is a coward or he is in on it ultimately does not matter, because the end result was the same.

Trump never built the wall, deportations were lower than under Obama, the deal with Purdue Pharma let them off the hook for the opioid crisis, there was no real crackdown on the 2020 riots, they let China off the hook for currency manipulation and whatever happened to getting rid of Birthright Citizenship? Other notable mentions are the lack of action in reigning in Wall Street and his "American Dream Plan" which stated the following:

Resolve Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) with a permanent solution that is both fair and just, and benefits all Americans.​

Every single one of these was a violation of campaign promises or core principles he claimed to espouse in 2016. The only advantage to the Trump years is the results in SCOTUS. I'm extremely thankful Roe v. Wade was overturned, so I do not regret my 2016 vote, but he did nothing to earn my 2020 or now 2024 vote.
 
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Vyor

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I worked on Republican campaigns in 2015 and almost did again in 2016; I tried to organize a Students for Trump chapter at my school as well. In other words, I was an extremely enthusiastic 2016 backer, but by 2020 I did a write in ballot. I did not give a shit about mean Tweets or whatever, decorum to me never really mattered given the stakes that were obvious in 2016 and thereafter. The reason I stopped caring and voting for him was precisely because he is, and was, a failure. Whether this was was because he is not competent enough for the job, he is a coward or he is in on it ultimately does not matter, because the end result was the same.

Trump never built the wall, deportations were lower than under Obama, the deal with Purdue Pharma let them off the hook for the opioid crisis, there was no real crackdown on the 2020 riots, they let China off the hook for currency manipulation and whatever happened to getting rid of Birthright Citizenship? Other notable mentions are the lack of action in reigning in Wall Street and his "American Dream Plan" which stated the following:

Resolve Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) with a permanent solution that is both fair and just, and benefits all Americans.​

Every single one of these was a violation of campaign promises or core principles he claimed to espouse in 2016. The only advantage to the Trump years is the results in SCOTUS. I'm extremely thankful Roe v. Wade was overturned, so I do not regret my 2016 vote, but he did nothing to earn my 2020 or now 2024 vote.

>listing things that had absolutely nothing to do with him
 

Sergeant Foley

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I'm skeptical, given underlying trends; Georgia could be doing what North Carolina did in the 2000s. Most of the Democratic margin in the State is due to how much of the electorate are Black voters and because of suburban disgruntlement with the Trump era GOP. First, to examine the former:





So, we have a combination of low fertility and high mortality among Black Georgians. It's gruesome math but, just being blunt about it, that means Georgia is going to become more White over time and we know Whites, regardless of age, skew Republican:



For a bit of irony, those 30-44 voters were 18-29 voters in 2008; Obama Millennials ended up voting exactly like their Boomer parents did as they aged. Noticeably, Gen X is also very Republican; again, we see White voters become more Republican as they age. However, what really has seen the Democrats do so good the last few cycles is their gains among Suburban Whites. There is reason to be skeptical this will continue, though:

Contrary to popular perception, less than a third of the suburban vote nationwide is made up of college-educated whites, the presumed locus of maximum appeal for anti-MAGAism. In fact, about three-fifths of suburban white voters are working class (noncollege).​
It is widely misunderstood how vital the latter voters were to Biden’s victory in 2020. While suburban white college voters shifted around 10 margin points toward Biden, suburban white working class voters also had a solid 5 point pro-Democratic shift. Because of this group’s larger size, their shift toward Biden contributed almost as much to the Democrats’ improved margin over Trump in 2020 as suburban white college voters.​
And just how liberal are these college-educated voters anyway? Overall, according to Gallup, just 30 percent of adults with a four year degree only describe themselves as liberal and 36 percent of those with some postgraduate education (the less numerous group) do so. Putting this together with the data about suburban demographics, this implies that perhaps one-ninth (a third of a third) of suburban voters are white college-educated liberals. Perhaps the figure is a bit higher but I doubt that it’s much higher.​
To drill down a bit further, consider some illustrative data from once and future battleground states. In Pennsylvania, suburban voters are either around urban cores in large metro areas (Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown, Harrisburg, Scranton) or in small metro areas (Erie, Reading, Lancaster, York, etc). According to analysis by William Frey of Brookings, the former areas are 58 percent white noncollege to 29 percent white college, while the latter areas are 64 percent white working class to 23 percent white college.​
In Wisconsin, the situation is no different. Suburbs around Milwaukee and Madison are 53 percent white working class to 37 percent white college while Wisconsin’s smaller metro areas (Oshkosh, Green Bay, Appleton, etc) are 65 percent white noncollege to 25 percent white college.​
And in Georgia, the Atlanta and Augusta suburbs are 49 percent white working class to just 19 percent white college, while the small metro areas (Savannah, Macon, etc.) are 42 percent white noncollege to 18 percent white college. There are large proportions of black and secondarily Hispanic voters in these suburbs but they are generally less liberal than white college graduates and more focused on economic issues (only 33 percent of black voters and 22 percent of Hispanic voters in battleground states could name a specific thing that President Biden and the Democratic majority in Congress have done in the last two years that has directly helped them in their lives).​
This suggests that Democrats’ hold on the suburban vote—such as it is—is far more tenuous than might be implied by the popular image of socially liberal, college-educated suburban voters who can no longer countenance voting for the GOP under any circumstances. Democrats’ target suburban voters must necessarily include legions of moderate and/or working class voters who might not draw as much sustenance from a steady diet of anti-MAGAism as Democrats anticipate.​
And just how much hold do the Democrats have on suburban voters anyway? In the AP/NORC VoteCast survey, the most reliable election survey available, Democrats carried suburban voters nationwide by a single point in 2022. That’s a slippage of 9 points from the Democrats’ 10 point margin in 2020. Interestingly, the slippage in Democratic support from 2020 to 2022 was actually larger among nonwhite than white suburban voters.​

You're saying Georgia Democrats are on a fast decline despite Abrams GOTV efforts to have three Democrats holding statewide offices (Two Democratic US Senators; One Democrat on Georgia Supreme Court)?
 

History Learner

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You're saying Georgia Democrats are on a fast decline despite Abrams GOTV efforts to have three Democrats holding statewide offices (Two Democratic US Senators; One Democrat on Georgia Supreme Court)?

On the long run, yes. North Carolina got really competitive in the 2000s and now is fairly Republican again.
 

Sergeant Foley

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"Not for long" is the entire point. Birth rates down, murder rates reaching all-time highs, both moreso than whites, so it's going to drop.
I am NOT giving up on the South. Minorities are moving into this region at a faster rate!

Now if you're referring to the major cities undergoing massive gentrification like Austin, Texas; Atlanta, Georgia; Montgomery, Alabama, etc., I might agree with you.
 

Sailor.X

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"Not for long" is the entire point. Birth rates down, murder rates reaching all-time highs, both moreso than whites, so it's going to drop.
Be careful of statistics you get on any subject. More often than not statistics have been proven bunk across the board. I mean look how many statistics were flat out false in the last 10 years alone. You can't say the government can do noting right then have faith in agencies or contracted groups they use to track stuff. The best we can do is just wait for what the actual situation that is gonna happen to manifest.
 

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