Arch Dornan
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The RINOs getting voted out can't come any sooner.
United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread
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The RINOs getting voted out can't come any sooner.
Vyor
My influence grows!
That was democrats, sorry.
Vyor
My influence grows!
The right shot it down. Repeatedly.
And here comes the purity spiral and party/tradcon defense bullshit; as if this wasn't the sort of thing that drove me from the Dems in the first place.
But good to see you are another person who doesn't want to hear how the GOP looks from the outside, and just wants to lean on internal propaganda of the GOP.
Sure it is, because as you said conservatives got nearly nothing accomplished, so little none of what you cited actually meant anything in the long run or actually mattered, and still want to give the GOP 'credit for the attempt'.
What is your side likes to say about participation trophies?
Also, no one cares about Reagan's time or his 'Contract with America' anymore, it was a different world and the youth don't care about yesterday's glories or promises, they want to know what you can do for them here and now. Which, with the national level GOP, ain't much, because it's leaders are RINOs and controlled opposition. Need I remind you how Paul Ryan blew the GOP majority in all houses in Trump's first couple years.
They turned to Trump because he was a populist former Dem who wasn't listen to either the establishment GOP or the tradcons, so might actually accomplish shit.
Because as you pointed out/admitted, the GOP has a long tradition of being ineffective at actually getting anything done, or breaking through the MSM crap. And do not forget, the GOP you laud stabbed Trump in the back multiple times because they hated how he 'hijacked' 'their' party, to hell with what the base wanted.
How about you stop pretending that the GOP's own internal bullshit and defections don't show why the GOP is little more than controlled opposition for the Dems and the unelected bureaucrats in the different agencies like the State Dept.
Because I can find plenty of current, in this time evidence to show all of these problems with the GOP, while you insist that I need to respect the GOP's 'participation trophies' from previous failed attempts that amounted to little to nothing.
This is what I mean when I say the GOP only seems to be good at being graceful losers, and the GOP leadership seems fine with that status, given how they also helped Biden steal the 2020 election. Because Dem control is less dangerous to the GOP leadership than the internal rebellion and populist uprising Trump represented.
The right shot it down when it became politically expedient. The right prior to that was all about how that shit was the Devil and Maggie Thatcher had the right of it.
Vyor
My influence grows!
Not really. There were a few small movements on the right, but those movements existed on the left too.
The right as a whole shut it down immediately when legislation was proposed.
Those small movements made it illegal to rent out certain VHS's in a shitton of countries and very nearly did the same in the US.
It wasn't small. It was a big deal.
Sergeant Foley
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Casey Jr has won 6 statewide elections.
Reagan's problem, and the problem most Conservatives have had and do still have (in some cases) is that they treat the Left as honest traders/brokers, despite all evidence to the contrary.
The Tradcons and their ilk on the Right will never own up the damage their 'Satanic Panic' bullshit did to the 1st Amendment, or how it enabled a lot of modern BS by the Left, while tainiting the Right in the eyes of a lot of youth; they will continue to claim it was only the Dems that wanted it.
Because the truth is the tradcons, and much of the old Right, only value the 1st Amendment for protecting religious freedom of expression, not artistic freedom of expression.
The old Right does not like being told how they look from the outside, they only want to treat their own internal propaganda as legit, and not have outsiders call their bullshit out and expose the facade to their younger peers who don't know better.
Ixian
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Old right is shrinking, its the populists time now.
The worst part about this being that the panic was grounded in reality and recently declassified documents reveal that yeah the FBI was covering for legitimate ritual abuse because the ones perpetrating it were in many cases CIA affiliated "research groups".
The Finders being the most egregious example.
People simped for the G men. It blew up in their faces. Ended up becoming useful idiots for the cultural Nihilists.
They need to emulate South Americans and just start dehumanizing leftists.
Which may or may not be true, but it's not what the 'Satanic Panic' was viewed as by the public at large.
It was more the anti-MTV, anti-D&D, anti-rock/metal music shit that had Tipper Gore and her friends across the aisle forcing musicians to go in front of Congress to eruditely clown on them and show them for the anti-1A asshats they are.
That's already starting to happen in response to the far left dehumanizing the right, the thing is the generation of young men who spent their entire lives being humilated hasn't come of age yet. When they do well they have a very long line of greivances.
Vyor
My influence grows!
Point to the laws passed then.
I'm not a tradcon, I'm a pragmatic minarchist libertarian.
I've never even understood what a 'minarchist' is, or how it relates to libertarian beliefs.
To sum it up Minarchists have an extreme hatred of centralized authority to the point where they tend to view only local authorities as legitimate and everything else a foreign usurper invading his home to rob him and his neighbors of their rights.
Their social views usually skew to Pat Buchanan/Michelle Malkin so they don't always align with Libertarians but there's a natural overlap for obvious reasons.
Ah yes because a social movement can only be called effective if it radically alters the legal system?
Bear Ribs
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Minarchists essentially believe that you need some government but it needs to be kept to a minimum. Specifically they advocate for what's sometimes called the "Night Watchman State," in which the only function government has is law enforcement and military defense of the citizens, with some quibbling about whether things like Fire Departments count. The Minarchist government does not tax anything (Beyond the minimum to pay law enforcement and the military), does not control any resources (aside from law enforcement and military hardware), does not involve itself in education, and does not construct any public works like roads, dams, or other infrastructure.
Ayn Rand promoted the Minarchist government and Objectivists normally push for it. A supermajority of Libertarians believes some variant of the Minarchist government is an ideal to be striven for so there's a fairly heavy overlap, though they two aren't synonymous.