United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[Zachowon]

Are they, though?

Last I heard was the same people who let the steal go through in 2020 are the same ones who just got re-elected in many cases.

I have not followed the GA stuff closely, so have things changed?

Kemp amd The guy who I can't spell but starts with an R did win the republican nominations.
Pretty handedly.
But we don't think there was any foul play because Kemp is the only chance out of all the ones running to beat Abrams.
Where as Perdue most likely would have lost.
Raffensperger just barely squeeked by.
Kemp did actually come through with some promises thiugh.

As for the senate race, it's Walker vs Warnok.
Walker has both Trump and McConnell backing him, so he is a fan favorite of both the GOP and the Populists.

GA also recently got stricker voting laws. So that helps, but there are still issues, but we basically saw a repeat of what happend in Virginia but in a diffrent way.

Instead of presenting numerous points, the ones running against the ones who stayed happend because they did what the guy Youngkin beat was doing.
Focused in the election and that they had Trump support.
That's it. They wernt doing anything else.
Kemp, I hate him but he is the only one to beat Abrams.

Who so far both her ad Warnock are set to lose according to every Poll.

Why wouldn't you put on an act and make it believable? You bet your ass if they see an opportunity they think they can get away with, they'll do it.

True, but reforms in plenty of the states for voting

 

[Sergeant Foley]

we are about to enter a global recession/depression soon and the democrats will be left holding the bag for all of it. Cheating is one of those things that's inheritely risky and becomes even worse when you have a small army of pissed off people who have lost everything.

Skallagrim can tell you how that ends.

Big question is whether Biden will be the last Democratic President we'll have for awhile?

All signs are pointing to Republicans winning back the White House in 2024 and potentially keeping the WH for 12-16 years or longer

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Kemp amd The guy who I can't spell but starts with an R did win the republican nominations.
Pretty handedly.
But we don't think there was any foul play because Kemp is the only chance out of all the ones running to beat Abrams.
Where as Perdue most likely would have lost.
Raffensperger just barely squeeked by.
Kemp did actually come through with some promises thiugh.

As for the senate race, it's Walker vs Warnok.
Walker has both Trump and McConnell backing him, so he is a fan favorite of both the GOP and the Populists.

GA also recently got stricker voting laws. So that helps, but there are still issues, but we basically saw a repeat of what happend in Virginia but in a diffrent way.

Instead of presenting numerous points, the ones running against the ones who stayed happend because they did what the guy Youngkin beat was doing.
Focused in the election and that they had Trump support.
That's it. They wernt doing anything else.
Kemp, I hate him but he is the only one to beat Abrams.

Who so far both her ad Warnock are set to lose according to every Poll.


True, but reforms in plenty of the states for voting

Raffensberger you're referring to right 🤔

 

[Zachowon]

Raffensberger you're referring to right 🤔

Yeah.
He won the republican nominee sadly.
But GA is sticking eith who can beat the dems sadly

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Yeah.
He won the republican nominee sadly.
But GA is sticking eith who can beat the dems sadly

My cousin thinks Nguyen will be the Democratic nominee for Georgia Secretary of State after tomorrow night.

 

[Zachowon]

My cousin thinks Nguyen will be the Democratic nominee for Georgia Secretary of State after tomorrow night.

I think so too.
Best choice out of the two. Not like I am voting for them

 

[Sergeant Foley]

I think so too.
Best choice out of the two. Not like I am voting for them

Will any of the Georgia Democrats win any seats of the judicial statewide offices this year?

 

[Zachowon]

Will any of the Georgia Democrats win any seats of the judicial statewide offices this year?

Doubt in statewide. Maybe in seats

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Doubt in statewide. Maybe in seats

Considering both Georgia Supreme Court and Georgia Court of Appeals are judicial statewide offices.

 

[Zachowon]

Considering both Georgia Supreme Court and Georgia Court of Appeals are judicial statewide offices.

Still don't think they will make any gains.
Maybe keep but no gains

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Still don't think they will make any gains.
Maybe keep but no gains

Because of the backlash against Biden?

 

[Zachowon]

Because of the backlash against Biden?

For sure.
He hurt the dems this yer

 

[strunkenwhite]

The Fix Is In – Democrats Start to Prep America for Their Mid-Term Steal

If there is a conspiracy it's more subtle than the GP story implies. The bullish first paragraph is at best undermined, more realistically outright contradicted, later in the AP story (as well as in the headline itself):

"Few of Biden's closest political advisers are as bullish about the party's prospects as the president. In interviews with a half-dozen people in and close to the White House, there is a broad sense that Democrats will lose control of Congress and that many of the party's leading candidates in down-ballot races and contests for governor will be defeated, with Biden unable to offer much help.
The seeming disconnect between Biden's view and the political reality has some in the party worried the White House has not fully grasped just how bad this election year may be for Democrats."

"Though he has increasingly expressed anger about inflation, Biden has publicly betrayed few concerns about his party's fortunes this fall. opting instead for relentlessly positivity.
[...]
Biden meant Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, with potential longer shots in North Carolina or Florida possibly representing No. 4. Some aides admit that assessment is too optimistic. They say the president is simply seeking to fire up his base with such predictions. One openly laughed when asked if it was possible that Democrats could pick up four Senate seats."

So the rest of the piece seems to be indicating that the opening paragraph is Biden's claim, not the article's own assessment. Yet it was not written that way. How to explain this? Two obvious possibilities:
1. A conspiracy to put ignorant people, the type who read newspapers but stop at the first paragraph, in a state of optimism about the election, at the cost of alienating people who read the entire article.
2. The story was written and/or edited by a moron who mistakenly mangled a quotation into a claim. The sentence fragment about "relentlessly positivity" supports this.

The headline of the story, "Biden's optimism collides with mounting political challenges", leads me to question hypothesis #1.

 

[Zachowon]

A very good breakdown

 

[Rocinante]

Big question is whether Biden will be the last Democratic President we'll have for awhile?

All signs are pointing to Republicans winning back the White House in 2024 and potentially keeping the WH for 12-16 years or longer

4 years with a Republican and all of Biden's failures will be forgotten and Democrats will be contenders again.

That's assuming they even lose 2024, which they very much can still win.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

4 years with a Republican and all of Biden's failures will be forgotten and Democrats will be contenders again.

That's assuming they even lose 2024, which they very much can still win.

Democrats need to get wiped out in 2024.

 

[DarthOne]

If there is a conspiracy it's more subtle than the GP story implies. The bullish first paragraph is at best undermined, more realistically outright contradicted, later in the AP story (as well as in the headline itself):

"Few of Biden's closest political advisers are as bullish about the party's prospects as the president. In interviews with a half-dozen people in and close to the White House, there is a broad sense that Democrats will lose control of Congress and that many of the party's leading candidates in down-ballot races and contests for governor will be defeated, with Biden unable to offer much help.
The seeming disconnect between Biden's view and the political reality has some in the party worried the White House has not fully grasped just how bad this election year may be for Democrats."

"Though he has increasingly expressed anger about inflation, Biden has publicly betrayed few concerns about his party's fortunes this fall. opting instead for relentlessly positivity.
[...]
Biden meant Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, with potential longer shots in North Carolina or Florida possibly representing No. 4. Some aides admit that assessment is too optimistic. They say the president is simply seeking to fire up his base with such predictions. One openly laughed when asked if it was possible that Democrats could pick up four Senate seats."

So the rest of the piece seems to be indicating that the opening paragraph is Biden's claim, not the article's own assessment. Yet it was not written that way. How to explain this? Two obvious possibilities:
1. A conspiracy to put ignorant people, the type who read newspapers but stop at the first paragraph, in a state of optimism about the election, at the cost of alienating people who read the entire article.
2. The story was written and/or edited by a moron who mistakenly mangled a quotation into a claim. The sentence fragment about "relentlessly positivity" supports this.

The headline of the story, "Biden's optimism collides with mounting political challenges", leads me to question hypothesis #1.

Good catch there!

 

[Sergeant Foley]

Good catch there!

Big question is whether Republicans (if they win back the Senate this fall) will crack 60 in 2024?

Brown, Manchin and Tester are likely goners in two years.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Big question is whether Republicans (if they win back the Senate this fall) will crack 60 in 2024?

Brown, Manchin and Tester are likely goners in two years.

It's optimistic, but not unbelievable. In addition to WV, OH, and MT, the most likely pickups would probably be AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA. That would only require Republicans to have 52 seats in 2023, e.g. keep all current seats and recapture AZ and GA.

Personally I would wait until after midterms to speculate about the next cycle.

 

[Sergeant Foley]

It's optimistic, but not unbelievable. In addition to WV, OH, and MT, the most likely pickups would probably be AZ, NV, WI, MI, PA. That would only require Republicans to have 52 seats in 2023, e.g. keep all current seats and recapture AZ and GA.

Personally I would wait until after midterms to speculate about the next cycle.

Pennsylvania: You think Casey, Jr., goes down in flames over there in Pennsylvania by 2024 despite the fact he's won 6 statewide elections as State Auditor General (1996, 2000), State Treasurer (2004) and United States Senator (2006, 2012, 2018)?

Michigan: Depends on whether Whitmer, Benson or Nessel run if Stabenow is pressured into retirement.

Wisconsin: Something tells me the Republicans will pressure Gallagher to run against Baldwin.

Nevada: Rosen might survuve in 2024 if the other Nevada Democrats don't get wiped out in November up and down the ballot over there.

Arizona: Sinema might pull a Roemer by switching parties if McConnell & Co., sweet-talk her non-stop.