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United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

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Good point here; trying to push a national abortion ban after Dobbs may have really hurt the GOP in the election, and that all falls on Graham for pushing it forward.
Doesn't pass the smell test. The GOP needs to have an official position on the matter, and "abortion is wrong and immortal, it destroys an innocent human life.....but I guess cali can turn thier state into a baby abattoir if they want" was not going to fly. Graham's bill was still an ugly comprise, but it was wholly in line with global norms and people's expressed preferences in US polling.

Posobiec and Kirk are both very Trumpy, and given parroting Trump's claims is strongly correlated to losing a winnable election, they're just seizing on Graham's dead in the water proposal to distract from the real issue, which media matters is obviously willing to signal boost since thry want Trump to keep being a milestone and don't want the GOP to put out a counter to the dems radical and unpopular abortion agenda.
 

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Doesn't pass the smell test. The GOP needs to have an official position on the matter, and "abortion is wrong and immortal, it destroys an innocent human life.....but I guess cali can turn thier state into a baby abattoir if they want" was not going to fly. Graham's bill was still an ugly comprise, but it was wholly in line with global norms and people's expressed preferences in US polling.

Posobiec and Kirk are both very Trumpy, and given parroting Trump's claims is strongly correlated to losing a winnable election, they're just seizing on Graham's dead in the water proposal to distract from the real issue, which media matters is obviously willing to signal boost since thry want Trump to keep being a milestone and don't want the GOP to put out a counter to the dems radical and unpopular abortion agenda.
It can be possible for more than one thing to be true at the same time.

It can be true Trump is a millstone around the neck of the movement he started and the cause he claims to champion.

It can also be true pushing that bill so soon after Dobbs was the GOP getting greedy; smart move would have been to defer to the states, at least till after the midterms.

This is what I mean about the GOP being incompetent; it gets a long awaited win, and then instead of keeping in mind a looming midterms election, they decided they had to go full bore, there and then, without taking time t gauge how best to use the victory in SCOTUS.

Though it is all moot now, because with this election going the way it did, it shows that RINOs are more likely to win than MAGA, because it turns out 2016 was a fluke and Hillary was just that unlikable, not because Trump is the new King of the Right. Most of the good he did in his time in office has been washed away, with only SCOTUS/judicial picks maybe being a lasting legacy. Which isn't bad, but is such a small part of what Trump tried to do.

However Trump turned out to be closer to...I'm not going to sugar coat this, he turned out to be basically Frank Burns from MASH, only with less self-control and even more narcissism and shooting himself/other's in the feet.

I wanted to believe he was what all the meme's and die-hard supporters thought Trump was, I supported him through a bunch of donations of money I needed because his campaign used emotionally manipulative language in many email and sometimes downright shady shit like the 'auto-selected recurring/split/bonus donations that you have to opt out of every time you donate' in donation requests. It is because of Trump's campaign I am never donating to another political candidate; I donated to Bernie in 2016 because I was a Dem who hated Hillary and thought Bernie was the least likely to purposefully screw over the nation for personal gain. I vary Gary Johnson, not Trump, in 2016, and yet the campaign emails acted like I'd been there from the beginning. They also didn't seem to cross-check email vs text campaigns, which would bombard me with different requests multiple times a day, even if I'd already donated a little that day.

I overlooked Trump's personality and history because of his politics and the potential I thought was in him. What I got was someone who didn't know how not to respond to trolls and who was effectively surrounded by backstabbers because the establish GOP hated him; I am very sure many 'leaks' came from Pence's office.
 

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It can also be true pushing that bill so soon after Dobbs was the GOP getting greedy; smart move would have been to defer to the states, at least till after the midterms.
It wasn't "The GOP", it was one guy, and he didn't push anything, he proposed a bill that would go nowhere and didn't have support from the rest of the party.

It strikes me as highly unlikely that someone is so plugged in that they know about this bill but didn't know how ill-supported it is and was sitting on the fence between the party while thinking a 15 week ban was unconsciousable but mandating no restrictions at all is great, and impossible that there were so many of those people to swing an election.

This is what I mean about the GOP being incompetent; it gets a long awaited win, and then instead of keeping in mind a looming midterms election, they decided they had to go full bore, there and then, without taking time t gauge how best to use the victory in SCOTUS.
The democrats have been going full bore with thier handmaidens tale crap for months, the GOP was if anything too tepid about staking out what our policy proposal is and why it's correct. We need to take a firm stand and clarify what our policy is, and have an actual national debate over this.
 

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This is objectively not true.
Except it is.

Look at what candidates won that Trump picked; when he's outside a 'safe' red district, Trump is poison, whether we like it or not. And it is the competitive races, the swing races, that matter most.

When a candidate has to appeal to more than just the hardcore R base, they did better being what many here call 'RINO's', because moderate Rs appeal more to the center than Trump-style do.

I wanted Trump and MAGA to be the future of the Republican party, I wanted to believe that Trump was a new beginning for the Right, and whatever else Trump and the Left's reaction to him did sway me away from voting D. However, Trump's 2016 win has proven to be a fluke, not the wave of the future.

America First may yet survive and even thrive, but only if it moves beyond it's creator.
 

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Look at who won that he didn't pick outside of safe districts.

Oh look, none.
I'll let Ben Shapiro break this down better than I can.



TL;DR: In close/split districts, Trump endorsed bad candidates. The 'winning Trump candidates' BS is trying to pretend keeping the safe red districts matter more than holding onto or taking swing seats.

The center of this nation wants what people here call RINOs, because the Far Right has an even worse image in their minds than the Far-Left. The masses do not want revolution, they want stability and status quo, or as close to that as possible.

Edit: Like the seats's that the GOP picked up in NY were not Trump people, they were lead to victory by Lee Zeldin, even if Zeldin himself lost, but by a small amount than the Dems like.
 
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What's the requirements for speaker of the house? I kept hearing Nancy will be let go. Did it get majority red?
 
2024 OH United States Senator

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BREAKING NEWS: Spectrum News reporting United States Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) will be seeking reelection to 4th term in 2024.

I should note that Brown is (5-1) in statewide elections overall:
1982 OH Secretary of State: WON
1986 OH Secretary of State: WON
1990 OH Secretary of State: LOSS
2006 OH United States Senator: WON
2012 OH United States Senator: WON
2018 OH United States Senator: WON
 
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