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The sooner the republic collapses, the sooner the winner can go full despot. This delusion that somehow we'll do better if we restart discounts how goddamn lucky we are that the American revolution didn't result in something awful, and that any new revolution will likely be by a person who hates the constitution.
Civilizations function in cycles, right now you are at the down part of the cycle, actually all of the western civilization is, the forces of creative destruction must be unleashed to cleanse bloat and bad ideas and reinvigorate everything.
 
The sooner the republic collapses, the sooner the winner can go full despot. This delusion that somehow we'll do better if we restart discounts how goddamn lucky we are that the American revolution didn't result in something awful, and that any new revolution will likely be by a person who hates the constitution.

We are already at that point though dude. When was the last time anyone has given the constitution any real reverence besides some superficial victories that aren't likely to be reversed at some point. We aren't going to be able to vote our way out of this.
 

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Oh by all means, do explain how it was inevitable. I wanna hear this one.
Ron Desantis has every tell-tale sign of a man who is seriously considering a run for the presidency and has for the last four years that's what! In what future where it seems like Desantis is getting more and more popular do you not see Trump being anyone but himself and attacking whom he sees as a threat?

I could have told you before DeSantis even became big that if anyone ever rose with the potential to dethrone Trump the first thing Trump would attempt to do is preemptively beat him down and that is exactly what he has done on numerous occasions.

You or others may be quick to say. "But 'muh' best candidate voted for DeSantis to be gov" but the fact is he did vote for govenor and then proceeded to undermine him when he won 'bigley' Why is that? It's because he want's DeSantis to stay out of his way as the Govenor of Florida come hell or highwater.

@DarthOne their is no way you are convincing me otherwise on this. Are the media fanning the flames. Yes. In any TL where DeSantis was perceived as a challenger to him was Trump going to let it go? No.

The only way you would have gotten any sort of non-fight between DeSantis and Trump is if either died or DeSantis gave a concrete contract which stated he wasn't going to run in 2024.
 
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Civilizations function in cycles, right now you are at the down part of the cycle, actually all of the western civilization is, the forces of creative destruction must be unleashed to cleanse bloat and bad ideas and reinvigorate everything.
The idea that one knows where in the cycle one is, is absurd. We've been in shitty situations before as well.
We are already at that point though dude. When was the last time anyone has given the constitution any real reverence besides some superficial victories that aren't likely to be reversed at some point. We aren't going to be able to vote our way out of this.
... Literally this year, with the Dobbs and Bruen decisions. Seriously, stop blackpilling, it's dumb and defeatist. Oh, no, the Republicans lost on a platform of "it sucks" and nearly no real candidates. Learn, and do better.
 

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How are we supposed to ‘do better’ if every attempt to do so gets thwarted?

As I see it, we can’t vote our way out because the ballot box has been compromised.

If we try to fix it, we’re limited to doing so inside red states. Which won’t be enough to change things outside of a local or state level. And that’s assuming some higher court or activist judge doesn’t throw it out or reverse anyway.

Never mind that the establishment GOP has made it very clear they’ll fight us tooth and nail, because they’re either deluded or care more about lining their pockets.
 

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We managed to survive a time when we had massive droughts in the Midwest and the economy was so bad ot still looks tame.

Shit can and has been worse. We won Dobbs.
We just have to keep fightinf
 

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DeSantis IS gonna run for president one day. That is just common sense. The question is weather he will do it in 2024 or if he will fulfill his promisse to finish with Florida first and do it in 2028.

Also, keep in mind that until the electoral system of the United States is completly overhauled to be more like Florida it won't matter how good candidates are. You will keep losing to shit like this:

 

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I hadn't heard that before!
I poked around a little bit and I found something that could possibly be what Airedale is referring to. Apparently, when Trump was doing one of his off-the-cuff rants, in particular one going after Kemp, he said, "And Stacey Abrams, who still has not conceded, and that's OK [...] Stacey, would you like to take his place? It's OK with me. [...] Of course having her, I think, might be better than having your existing governor, if you want to know what I think. Might very well be better."

Not an official endorsement, but fair enough on a "Trump would rather have had Abrams win than Kemp out of spite" level. Unless he later backtracked, which is completely possible.

That is what I was referring to, yes. Though he did finally make a statement of approval (sort of) the night before Election Day…and then was back at blasting Kemp on Wednesday.

My point is that Trump is just that much of a spiteful asshole who only cares about himself and doesn’t care who or what he hurts.
 

Sobek

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What has me nervous was how things have just straight up balkanized. Every election we have had swing states. Not this time though. This time everything just sort of got hollowed out red areas got redder and blue areas got bluerer.

Something like that is generally the lightning flash before the very loud thunderclap.

That assumes the results are 100% fair and real, and no "fortification" took place. However even if we try and account for the possibile fortification it does look like way too many people have decided to simply stick with Blue No Matter Who. They have really decided that hormones for kids and racial equity are the future and fuck actually being free. That is scary indeed, and why I say a civil war is getting close to unavoidable.
 
That assumes the results are 100% fair and real, and no "fortification" took place. However even if we try and account for the possibile fortification it does look like way too many people have decided to simply stick with Blue No Matter Who. They have really decided that hormones for kids and racial equity are the future and fuck actually being free. That is scary indeed, and why I say a civil war is getting close to unavoidable.

Aside from Arizona things have seem pretty normal that's what makes things worse in my opinion.
 

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Since these e-mails are going out to *Trump's* mailing lists, is he not rightfully entitled to take the lion's share of the donations? As little as I like him, this seems entirely reasonable to me.

No? Because it's being put out there as if it were helping their local candidate. Even taking anything as high as 40% would be pretty underhanded. I'm sure their campaign is happy to get whatever they can, but Trump is helping himself more than he's helping an ally.

Exactly right
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That's bullshit.

Should we address mail-in voting? Sure. Especially early voting. It should be limited to those who need it for health reasons. But let's not treat an underhanded tactic as outright, brazen cheating. The numbers we see, save for perhaps Arizona, do not support any cheating. Oz and the Republican governor got different vote tallies. That suggests that people who voted for Oz did not vote for the Republican governor candidate.

The same thing happened in my own state. Evers (D) won the governorship, but the Republicans gained in the House and retained the senate seat. If the Democrats were switching votes, one would probably expect that this would favor the senate and house, NOT the governorships. Or all three.

What we do see is the Republicans winning back the House as the Democrats did in 2018. We'll probably see a senatorial flip in 2024 and possibly a flip from the Executive branch to Republicans.

At which point, I will then hear all the delusional nutjobs on the left screaming about how the Republicans cheated. And in 2026, after they most probably get marginal election results that favor them, will insist that we need a civil war.

You know, just like several people are acting here now.
 
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Ron Desantis has every tell-tale sign of a man who is seriously considering a run for the presidency and has for the last four years that's what! In what future where it seems like Desantis is getting more and more popular do you not see Trump being anyone but himself and attacking whom he sees as a threat?

I could have told you before DeSantis even became big that if anyone ever rose with the potential to dethrone Trump the first thing Trump would attempt to do is preemptively beat him down and that is exactly what he has done on numerous occasions.

You or others may be quick to say. "But 'muh' best candidate voted for DeSantis to be gov" but the fact is he did vote for govenor and then proceeded to undermine him when he won 'bigley' Why is that? It's because he want's DeSantis to stay out of his way as the Govenor of Florida come hell or highwater.

@DarthOne their is no way you are convincing me otherwise on this. Are the media fanning the flames. Yes. In any TL where DeSantis was perceived as a challenger to him was Trump going to let it go? No.

The only way you would have gotten any sort of non-fight between DeSantis and Trump is if either died or DeSantis gave a concrete contract which stated he wasn't going to run in 2024.
DeSantis likely running in 2028
 

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Democrat Marie Gluesenkamp Perez defeats Republican Joe Kent in WA House race

Democrat Perez defeats GOP Kent for House Rep. for Washington's 3rd Congressional district. This is a massive upset. 538 gave the Democrats a 2% chance in the seat, for example. The GOP has held the seat since 2010. The previous GOP rep. in the seat was highly conservative--being very vocal about overturning Roe v Wade, for example--and won the seat in 2020 by 13 points, 5 points in 2018, 23 points in 2016, etc. However, she voted to impeach Trump after Jan. 6 and so lost the primary to a 2020 election denier. Then the guy who replaced her preceded to narrowly lose.
The change in the district with the census probably had an impact too.

Actually, that's something to keep in mind - this was the first election impacted by the 2020 redistricting. Things are going to be hard to compare to previous years because of the border changes.
 

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