United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[49ersfootball]

most likely both.
They are all corrupt and guilty of many crimes.
The fact he was actually persecuted for his very real crimes must mean he offended someone higher up the food chain. Otherwise his crimes would have been kept in the closet with the other skeletons.

Menendez refuted an earlier report about resigning his Senate seat.

 

[mrttao]

Menendez refuted an earlier report about resigning his Senate seat.

can you elaborate?

 

[49ersfootball]

can you elaborate?

One of the news outlets reported Senator Menendez would resign, but CBS News mentioned Menendez strongly denied that report.

 

[49ersfootball]

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[49ersfootball]

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[Bacle]

Rand Paul is intro'ing bipartisan legislation to kill the draft as even possible law, so no more selective service issues or ability to use the draft as a threat by the DoD/DC.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Foolish IMO. The political consequences of unnecessary conscription would be dire, more than dire enough to prevent frivolous use, whereas if the apparatus was legally and factually dismantled and then there was a need for it ... that would also be dire, and forgive me for not trusting that the legislature would move quickly and decisively yet wisely and deliberately in the face of what would have to be an immense crisis.

 

[Bacle]

Foolish IMO. The political consequences of unnecessary conscription would be dire, more than dire enough to prevent frivolous use, whereas if the apparatus was legally and factually dismantled and then there was a need for it ... that would also be dire, and forgive me for not trusting that the legislature would move quickly and decisively yet wisely and deliberately in the face of what would have to be an immense crisis.

No, what Senator Paul said is true; people will volunteer in the event of an actual, Congressional declared war, and the draft is no longer worth having in the US legal system at all.

The only thing removing it does is remove the draft as the 'stick' for the DoD to use, compared the 'carrots' of enlistment perks, for keeping force numbers.

 

[Terthna]

people will volunteer in the event of an actual, Congressional declared war

Not necessarily. If the establishment isn't kicked out of power, nobody's going to want to fight a war on their behalf. Heck; at the rate they're emasculating the American populace, in another generation or two there's going to be precious few people left who are even capable of fighting.

 

[Bacle]

Not necessarily. If the establishment isn't kicked out of power, nobody's going to want to fight a war on their behalf. Heck; at the rate they're emasculating the American populace, in another generation or two there's going to be precious few people left who are even capable of fighting.

That is a valid point.

Though if they are expecting a war unpopular enough to not get the needed volunteers, I cannot imagine that trying to force a draft would go any better for the powers in DC, instead of being what might trigger an actual civil war.

 

[Abhorsen]

most likely both.
They are all corrupt and guilty of many crimes.
The fact he was actually persecuted for his very real crimes must mean he offended someone higher up the food chain. Otherwise his crimes would have been kept in the closet with the other skeletons.

I doubt it was that he offended people. More that he was a sacrifice. Occasional prosecutions means people think that corruption is always punished.

 

[mrttao]

I doubt it was that he offended people. More that he was a sacrifice. Occasional prosecutions means people think that corruption is always punished.

the sacrifice is not selected at random

 

[mrttao]

Foolish IMO. The political consequences of unnecessary conscription would be dire, more than dire enough to prevent frivolous use, whereas if the apparatus was legally and factually dismantled and then there was a need for it ... that would also be dire, and forgive me for not trusting that the legislature would move quickly and decisively yet wisely and deliberately in the face of what would have to be an immense crisis.

Not so. The draft was very successfully used to cull conservatives in 3 wars already by the USA.
People grumbled, and then those very same grumblers died fighting abroad.

 

[Zachowon]

It was smartly used in ww2

Not so. The draft was very successfully used to cull conservatives in 3 wars already by the USA.
People grumbled, and then those very same grumblers died fighting abroad.

And it was more then conservatives who fought in these wars.
Moat that volunteered especially in ww1 were conservatives but everyone was in 2.
Kennedy, Johnson and Carter all were served in the military, but they were officers. Point still stands it wasn't just the right that fought

 

[mrttao]

And it was more then conservatives who fought in these wars.

It was overwhelmingly conservatives.
liberals dodged the draft. If they even got picked in the first place.

 

[Zachowon]

It was overwhelmingly conservatives.
liberals dodged the draft. If they even got picked in the first place.

For Korea and Vietnam yes.
For ww2, unless you were in a certain fields you were drafted

 

[Abhorsen]

Sadly but not unexpectedly, the deep state won the Michigan Senate seat.

 

[49ersfootball]

Sadly but not unexpectedly, the deep state won the Michigan Senate seat.

What do you mean the deep state won the MI US Senate election ?

 

[Abhorsen]

What do you mean the deep state won the MI US Senate election ?

The Republican candidate is an FBI guy who thinks the Patriot Act's domestic surveillance is good, the Dem candidate is (former, but no one really is former) CIA.

 

[49ersfootball]

The Republican candidate is an FBI guy who thinks the Patriot Act's domestic surveillance is good, the Dem candidate is (former, but no one really is former) CIA.

Rogers could keep it close. Gut feeling Slotkin holds on narrowly.