Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread

[IndyFront]

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South African political leader rallies thousands in violent chant calling to kill White citizens and farmers

South African political leader rallies thousands in violent chant calling to kill White citizens and farmers

Radical South African leader who led chant to "kill" whites Saturday slammed as "bloodthirsty tyrant;" sparked reaction from Elon Musk

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This stuff isn't new; black south Africans having been targeting and killing white farmers for years now. Funny how almost no one talks about it.



FARMLANDS (2018)

This is all stuff from recently, Harari (not me, mind you) was talking about Apartheid South Africa specifically. Direct your anger at him if you disagree with something he said, I'm just sharing what I've found with the forum.

 

[DarthOne]

This is all stuff from recently, I'm talking about Apartheid South Africa specifically

And you think all this just popped out of thin air?

 

[IndyFront]

And you think all this just popped out of thin air?

I will repost my edited post, since you're misrepresenting this exchange by not acknowledging it

This is all stuff from recently, Harari (not me, mind you) was talking about Apartheid South Africa specifically. Direct your anger at him if you disagree with something he said, I'm just sharing what I've found with the forum.

 

[DarthOne]

I will repost my edited post, since you're misrepresenting this exchange by not acknowledging it

Fair enough then.

 

[ATP]

Saudis? They can't defeat Iran's proxy terrorists in Yemen even after huge shopping sprees, in 1940's they were glorified desert nomads.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a good thing to make deals with US political factions for low cost.
And don't clown around, CCP is going to squeeze everyone dry and treat them as colonies.

Which is a pointless argument, as i said, by that logic French state didn't exist in 1940.

Which ones? Sure, there are 10 levels of double dealing there because there are also tribes, Shia/Iran factions and various islamists involved and some are more threatened by some of these than they care about making Palestine Arab again (Palestine can wait, but if some heretics or other tribe kill them that's a big problem), but that doesn't mean they don't care.

But Ukrainians fight Russians. Arabs fought for Palestinians many times and took massive losses doing so. Yet they still support the cause.

PLO is not a nation, and Palestine is not a democracy. Most of people there are islamists, not nationalists.

They could have in 1910's but were defeated on battlefield by Soviets.
By that logic Palestinians can't be a nation because they lost the war to Israel.

It's a toss between Jordan and Syria really considering the previous statements by their leaders.

Assads or Hashemites would be but they have too many other problems to do much now and Palestinians would first have to win as proxy to not bring problems on them.

1.Saudis in 1948 had army - good enough for jewish terrorists.Just like they would defeat Hamas now.
2.Izrael for unknown reasons decided to become Poand enemy.If USA support them against us,they choosed be our enemy,too.
But - i doubt that,they need ally in Europe.
If they want destroy that ally becouse of Izrael,then making deal with China would be better.
3.France existed before 1920,Ukraine was made by germans in 1918,and ceased to exist when their troops widraw.
4.So,which arab faction fight for Izrael now?

5.Yes,Ukraine fight Moscov - from 2022.In 2014 they mass surrender.When Palestinians fight Izrael from 1948.
6.Jews belive so.Putin belive the same about ukrainians.Why you support one fake semites against anothers? if Izrael do not keep attacking us,i would not care at all.
7.Palestinians keep fighting from 1948.Ukrainians,except UPA supporters,do not fought for ukrainian state till 2022.
8.Both Jordan and Syria are weak states.
9.Assads ruling all arab states? you are joking,right? dude is heretic for almost all of them.
And if you think,that other arabs would kowtow to Hashemites....

Arab need Caliphate to be united,and your claimant would not do.

 

[Marduk]

1.Saudis in 1948 had army - good enough for jewish terrorists.Just like they would defeat Hamas now.

Who knows, they can't defeat Houthis now, we know because they are fighting them, and on top of that they are a long way away.

2.Izrael for unknown reasons decided to become Poand enemy.If USA support them against us,they choosed be our enemy,too.

Did it? Have you noticed that it's not Israeli right shitting on us? Because even journos noticed.

Poland-Israel row escalates over law affecting Holocaust survivors

Both countries have withdrawn their ambassadors after Israel protested over a new law in Poland that restricts the rights of Holocaust survivors or their descendants to reclaim property seized by the country’s former communist regime.

www.euronews.com

After years of close ties under former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's new government, which includes top officials who are the children of Holocaust survivors, has taken a far more confrontational approach.

So establishment liberals in Israel call us antisemitic... How is that different from our local establishment liberals?

But - i doubt that,they need ally in Europe.
If they want destroy that ally becouse of Izrael,then making deal with China would be better.

Deals with China would be worthless, look at the deals they make with third world countries.

3.France existed before 1920,Ukraine was made by germans in 1918,and ceased to exist when their troops widraw.

So formalities, paper will take anything, i don't care, you care about paper if you want.

4.So,which arab faction fight for Izrael now?

Some local tribes, Druze. A lot of others just have a careful "don't touch us and we won't touch you" status.

5.Yes,Ukraine fight Moscov - from 2022.In 2014 they mass surrender.When Palestinians fight Izrael from 1948.

Palestinians in 1948 had all neighbors and their religion telling them to fight, giving them support, even coming to fight for them.

6.Jews belive so.Putin belive the same about ukrainians.Why you support one fake semites against anothers? if Izrael do not keep attacking us,i would not care at all.

Not just Jews, Arabs believe it to. Only delusional westerners believe otherwise.

7.Palestinians keep fighting from 1948.Ukrainians,except UPA supporters,do not fought for ukrainian state till 2022.

Repetitive and irrelevant.

8.Both Jordan and Syria are weak states.

That's their problem.

9.Assads ruling all arab states? you are joking,right? dude is heretic for almost all of them.

Yet his father, who was also the same kind of heretic, said that Palestinians are rightfully Syrians, and Palestinians didn't complain.

And if you think,that other arabs would kowtow to Hashemites....

Arab need Caliphate to be united,and your claimant would not do.

Again, their problem. As i said, ultimately tribal divisions and separate elites doomed Arab nationalism's political efforts, in addition to islamism putting giving more attention to sects and solidarity with non-Arab Muslims. But that doesn't end the cultural unity of Arabs.

 

[ATP]

Who knows, they can't defeat Houthis now, we know because they are fighting them, and on top of that they are a long way away.

Did it? Have you noticed that it's not Israeli right shitting on us? Because even journos noticed.

Poland-Israel row escalates over law affecting Holocaust survivors

Both countries have withdrawn their ambassadors after Israel protested over a new law in Poland that restricts the rights of Holocaust survivors or their descendants to reclaim property seized by the country’s former communist regime.

www.euronews.com

So establishment liberals in Israel call us antisemitic... How is that different from our local establishment liberals?


Deals with China would be worthless, look at the deals they make with third world countries.

So formalities, paper will take anything, i don't care, you care about paper if you want.

Some local tribes, Druze. A lot of others just have a careful "don't touch us and we won't touch you" status.

Palestinians in 1948 had all neighbors and their religion telling them to fight, giving them support, even coming to fight for them.

Not just Jews, Arabs believe it to. Only delusional westerners believe otherwise.

Repetitive and irrelevant.

That's their problem.

Yet his father, who was also the same kind of heretic, said that Palestinians are rightfully Syrians, and Palestinians didn't complain.

Again, their problem. As i said, ultimately tribal divisions and separate elites doomed Arab nationalism's political efforts, in addition to islamism putting giving more attention to sects and solidarity with non-Arab Muslims. But that doesn't end the cultural unity of Arabs.

1.They fight Iran there,not only Houtis.And Iran have real army now.Which Israel do not had in 1948 - only bunch of militias and terrorists.
2.They shit on us no matter who rule there.Suicidal,but it is their problem,not our.
3.And what Biden could do for us? if we really have to choose nearly wortless ally,then those who do not support our enemies are better.
4.Not formalites,reality.France existed from 486AD,and survived many problems.Ukraine started as state made by germans,ceased to be without them,and first real efforts to remain independent started making after 2014.
Becouse genocide of polish cyvilians do not count.

5.Druze are rligious group consider as heretics by others,just like dudes who own Syria now/another heretics/
6.In 1948 only Syrians and Iraq fight Izrael - but they fight each other,too.
And Jordaniand helped jews.
7.Well,you could belive so,but...ukrainians nation were started as another nation tool,too.And now,they are real.
The same become with palestinians.They were tool,now they are nation.
8.Why irrelevant? putin have more right to deny existence of ukrrainian nation,becouse they really do not fought for their state till 2022.When palestinians are keep fighting from beginning of their war.
9.You claimed,that those weaklings could unite arabs.So,it is your problem to prove how they could do so.
10.When other arabs complained,his daddy massacred them.So,i do not blame palestynians for not complaining.
We poles do not complain much after 1947,when soviet faked election,but it not made all of us commies.
Only people who want to survive.
11.Yes,but you treat them as kgbstan - kind of one state with one leader.
And,they are not.And never would be,if we have Caliph,it would be some turk again.
You gave us story about united arabs who use palestinians who are not nation as their proxy.
Well,show us,where is their Al-putin?


2.

 

[IndyFront]

So apparently this recent spate of enmity between Israel and the U.S. has been going on for quite some time now, I've just been wholly ignorant of it

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-will-fight-any-israeli-annexation-ambassador-says

From this article it almost sounds like the U.S. would side with the Palestinians and Arab League over Israel if the latter went apeshit on the West Bank too hard

 

[Marduk]

1.They fight Iran there,not only Houtis.And Iran have real army now.Which Israel do not had in 1948 - only bunch of militias and terrorists.

Well then if Saudis had a real army in 1947 when poor why can't they fight for shit with best stuff money can buy in America.

2.They shit on us no matter who rule there.Suicidal,but it is their problem,not our.

No, there is a difference.

3.And what Biden could do for us? if we really have to choose nearly wortless ally,then those who do not support our enemies are better.

America still has money and a superpower army, if that's not enough for you, you need to get your bearings.

4.Not formalites,reality.France existed from 486AD,and survived many problems.Ukraine started as state made by germans,ceased to be without them,and first real efforts to remain independent started making after 2014.
Becouse genocide of polish cyvilians do not count.

They also tried in 1920's, just lost.

5.Druze are rligious group consider as heretics by others,just like dudes who own Syria now/another heretics/

My point exactly.

6.In 1948 only Syrians and Iraq fight Izrael - but they fight each other,too.
And Jordaniand helped jews.

WTF is this alt history, Egypt and Jordan fought too, in fact they provided more troops than Syria, go to school.

7.Well,you could belive so,but...ukrainians nation were started as another nation tool,too.And now,they are real.
The same become with palestinians.They were tool,now they are nation.

Funny how you go with Ukrainian early attempts not counting because they lost against Soviet Union, while Palestinians keep losing against few million Jews but you insist that's different.

8.Why irrelevant? putin have more right to deny existence of ukrrainian nation,becouse they really do not fought for their state till 2022.When palestinians are keep fighting from beginning of their war.

But they did fight. They lost, but Palestinians lost many times too, so you can't even get your arbitrary rules straight.

9.You claimed,that those weaklings could unite arabs.So,it is your problem to prove how they could do so.

That's their problem, i'm not paid to be their advisor. But you can see that they had the ambition.

10.When other arabs complained,his daddy massacred them.So,i do not blame palestynians for not complaining.

That's how things are done in Arab world, guess what Hamas does to people who complain.

We poles do not complain much after 1947,when soviet faked election,but it not made all of us commies.
Only people who want to survive.

As above, by that line Palestinians do not want to fight, just the terrorist governments force them.

11.Yes,but you treat them as kgbstan - kind of one state with one leader.
And,they are not.And never would be,if we have Caliph,it would be some turk again.
You gave us story about united arabs who use palestinians who are not nation as their proxy.
Well,show us,where is their Al-putin?

They don't need one leader, they have the Arab League.
Over last decades Arabs have figured out that if they have one leader in charge of everything causing all the trouble to their enemies, next thing you know he gets assassinated.

 

[TheRejectionist]

@IndyFront

Yuval Harari laughingly joked about using the media of videogames with drugs to control the population and his the favorite historian (and borderline plagiarist I might add) of the WEF. And very friendly with Klaus Schwab I might add...

So I think he is not the best example to take from.

Frankly if you understood his reasoning you would probably want to cock your firelance of choice and unholster it.

If you background-checked him you will notice he became a professor as a sneaky little smarty pants.

 

[TheRejectionist]

@DarthOne @IndyFront

The Dangerous Populist Science of Yuval Noah Harari ❧ Current Affairs

<p>The best-selling author is a gifted storyteller and popular speaker. But he sacrifices science for sensationalism, and his work is riddled with errors.</p>

www.currentaffairs.org

Now, by the title you might think she is leftist like I think she is. She probably is but it seems to be one in the same veneer as Jimmy Dore.

However she does a wonderful job at the deconstruction of this individual and makes you notice how sneaky the little goblin made his career... he is dangerous because somehow he convinced others of his greatness of genius when it might not even his own.

Not to mention that besides thr lack of citations that border on outright plagiarism (but he became famous so he has, so far, plot armor from his benefactors) or the fact he talks about the future of mankind when he is an historian who somehow likes the idea of a society like Brave New World and Harari clearly has none by the simple fact he is not going have kids by the very real fact the same gender cannot reproduce another life.

I don't know if Harari is right about the situation itself...the Israel I visited 7 years ago is very different from now.

But from my understanding , this is a confrontation between "woke" / average leftist against the hard right or national conservative part of Israel, the one that in more than one occasion shamed the Polish government for "Polish death camps" (when in fact they were Nationalsocialist German death camps and Poland was under a borderline Belgian-style colonial government) and barely can keep the contempt they have for anyone who isn't of the Jewish ethnoreligious group( and sometimes they even have contempt for their own kind!).

I do not know why the fuck Israel suddenly finds itself at odds like this and also against the United States (which worries me not because I returned be a philo-Zionist).

Harari is right on one thing : whatever happens now and in the next few weeks is going to affect the entire region and beyond.

 

[Marduk]

@DarthOne @IndyFront

The Dangerous Populist Science of Yuval Noah Harari ❧ Current Affairs

<p>The best-selling author is a gifted storyteller and popular speaker. But he sacrifices science for sensationalism, and his work is riddled with errors.</p>

www.currentaffairs.org

Now, by the title you might think she is leftist like I think she is. She probably is but it seems to be one in the same veneer as Jimmy Dore.

However she does a wonderful job at the deconstruction of this individual and makes you notice how sneaky the little goblin made his career... he is dangerous because somehow he convinced others of his greatness of genius when it might not even his own.

Not to mention that besides thr lack of citations that border on outright plagiarism (but he became famous so he has, so far, plot armor from his benefactors) or the fact he talks about the future of mankind when he is an historian who somehow likes the idea of a society like Brave New World and Harari clearly has none by the simple fact he is not going have kids by the very real fact the same gender cannot reproduce another life.

I don't know if Harari is right about the situation itself...the Israel I visited 7 years ago is very different from now.

But from my understanding , this is a confrontation between "woke" / average leftist against the hard right or national conservative part of Israel, the one that in more than one occasion shamed the Polish government for "Polish death camps" (when in fact they were Nationalsocialist German death camps and Poland was under a borderline Belgian-style colonial government) and barely can keep the contempt they have for anyone who isn't of the Jewish ethnoreligious group( and sometimes they even have contempt for their own kind!).

I do not know why the fuck Israel suddenly finds itself at odds like this and also against the United States (which worries me not because I returned be a philo-Zionist).

Harari is right on one thing : whatever happens now and in the next few weeks is going to affect the entire region and beyond.

It does fit with my impression of the stuff he says. He's not some devious masterminds behind elite's plans to enslave everyone, he's more of a yes-man/propagandist/court jester to a certain faction of technocratic elites (after all, in the old days it wouldn't be unheard of for a king get advice from a jester), who recognize his "genius" as he always tell them they are right - consider the politically sensitive points of his views, he's a through member of California branch of "champagne socialist" subculture, complete with ridiculous green obsessions like the article touches upon (he's a vegan and has views regarding animal related politics that could be confused with PETA and other moonbats).
His comments on Israel are entirely in line with his political-cultural position set presented on other topics.
So news at eleven, gay vegan far left elitist cheerleader doesn't like a right wing nationalist government. Who could have predicted this?

But from my understanding , this is a confrontation between "woke" / average leftist against the hard right or national conservative part of Israel, the one that in more than one occasion shamed the Polish government for "Polish death camps" (when in fact they were Nationalsocialist German death camps and Poland was under a borderline Belgian-style colonial government) and barely can keep the contempt they have for anyone who isn't of the Jewish ethnoreligious group( and sometimes they even have contempt for their own kind!).

The spat over this, related law and camps is much deeper and more complicated than that.

Israel slams bill outlawing phrase 'Polish death camp' – DW – 01/28/2018

Poland's plan to criminalize the phrase "Polish death camp" has been slammed by Israel as a denial of history. Millions of Jews were murdered in camps run by Nazi Germany in Poland after it was invaded in 1939.

www.dw.com

It's a German source, but it almost digs down to the real issue here. The "Polish death camps" are a red herring for both sides, the real battle is about the collateral damage this law can do to various very much today-relevant historical political attempts to pressure Poland and particularly nationalist movement with accusations of historical antisemitic crimes.
Israel, right or left (the leftists were even more outraged than Netanyahu, and western professional "antisemitism hunters" from outside Israel were most outraged of all), stands only to lose from that, naturally, and they act accordingly.

 

[TheRejectionist]

It does fit with my impression of the stuff he says. He's not some devious masterminds behind elite's plans to enslave everyone, he's more of a yes-man/propagandist/court jester to a certain faction of technocratic elites (after all, in the old days it wouldn't be unheard of for a king get advice from a jester), who recognize his "genius" as he always tell them they are right - consider the politically sensitive points of his views, he's a through member of California branch of "champagne socialist" subculture, complete with ridiculous green obsessions like the article touches upon (he's a vegan and has views regarding animal related politics that could be confused with PETA and other moonbats).
His comments on Israel are entirely in line with his political-cultural position set presented on other topics.
So news at eleven, gay vegan far left elitist cheerleader doesn't like a right wing nationalist government. Who could have predicted this?


The spat over this, related law and camps is much deeper and more complicated than that.

Israel slams bill outlawing phrase 'Polish death camp' – DW – 01/28/2018

Poland's plan to criminalize the phrase "Polish death camp" has been slammed by Israel as a denial of history. Millions of Jews were murdered in camps run by Nazi Germany in Poland after it was invaded in 1939.

www.dw.com

It's a German source, but it almost digs down to the real issue here. The "Polish death camps" are a red herring for both sides, the real battle is about the collateral damage this law can do to various very much today-relevant historical political attempts to pressure Poland and particularly nationalist movement with accusations of historical antisemitic crimes.
Israel, right or left (the leftists were even more outraged than Netanyahu, and western professional "antisemitism hunters" from outside Israel were most outraged of all), stands only to lose from that, naturally, and they act accordingly.

I am still baffled about the insistence of the Israelis how have being trying to associate the camps with the Polish Republic considering that I recall that the Polish population was the one who least collaborated with the Germans in all of the territories controlled by the Axis and their proxies.

And those who did either were backstabbed by the Germans or were dealt with.

 

[Bear Ribs]

I am still baffled about the insistence of the Israelis how have being trying to associate the camps with the Polish Republic considering that I recall that the Polish population was the one who least collaborated with the Germans in all of the territories controlled by the Axis and their proxies.

And those who did either were backstabbed by the Germans or were dealt with.

Because certain Israeli groups have been trying to constantly dig money out of Poland on the basis that their ancestors had property confiscated by the Nazis while in Poland in WW2, and later the Communist regimes when Poland was part of the USSR's Eastern Bloc.

Poland eventually got sick of the demands (much like Japan with Korea's infinite calls for reparations) and passed a law setting a statute of limitations of 30 years on such claims, which countered those groups' financial incentives. They've been maligning Poland ever since.

Israel condemns Poland restitution law, recalls top diplomat

Israel is condemning Poland’s approval of a law that restricts the rights of former Polish property owners, including Holocaust survivors and their descendants, to reclaim property seized by the country’s former communist regime

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

 

[DarthOne]

Because certain Israeli groups have been trying to constantly dig money out of Poland on the basis that their ancestors had property confiscated by the Nazis while in Poland in WW2, and later the Communist regimes when Poland was part of the USSR's Eastern Bloc.

Poland eventually got sick of the demands (much like Japan with Korea's infinite calls for reparations) and passed a law setting a statute of limitations of 30 years on such claims, which countered those groups' financial incentives. They've been maligning Poland ever since.

Israel condemns Poland restitution law, recalls top diplomat

Israel is condemning Poland’s approval of a law that restricts the rights of former Polish property owners, including Holocaust survivors and their descendants, to reclaim property seized by the country’s former communist regime

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

Well, I can say I’m with Poland on that issue.

 

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South African political leader rallies thousands in violent chant calling to kill White citizens and farmers

South African political leader rallies thousands in violent chant calling to kill White citizens and farmers

Radical South African leader who led chant to "kill" whites Saturday slammed as "bloodthirsty tyrant;" sparked reaction from Elon Musk

www.bizpacreview.com

This stuff isn't new; black south Africans having been targeting and killing white farmers for years now. Funny how almost no one talks about it.



FARMLANDS (2018)

You should create a mega-thread for South Africa 🇿🇦

 

[TheRejectionist]

Well, I can say I’m with Poland on that issue.

Because certain Israeli groups have been trying to constantly dig money out of Poland on the basis that their ancestors had property confiscated by the Nazis while in Poland in WW2, and later the Communist regimes when Poland was part of the USSR's Eastern Bloc.

Poland eventually got sick of the demands (much like Japan with Korea's infinite calls for reparations) and passed a law setting a statute of limitations of 30 years on such claims, which countered those groups' financial incentives. They've been maligning Poland ever since.

Israel condemns Poland restitution law, recalls top diplomat

Israel is condemning Poland’s approval of a law that restricts the rights of former Polish property owners, including Holocaust survivors and their descendants, to reclaim property seized by the country’s former communist regime

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

The only movement for reparations as of now I would support is the one for the Armenian genocide, because there is the main perpetrator's successor state who still denies it together with Pakistan and Azerbaijan.
This is as one as dated three Turks very recently, the last one (my longest relationship as well) we had even a couple talks about it : first time was when the my Polish friend, the girlfriend of my Syrian-Armenian friend, mentioned he was Armenian in front of her so we talked about it; second time was a made a joke about it from me and she told her sister about, got a nice surprise: "Yes we are the only country not recognizing" so that was a positive surprise. Third time she mentioned he had discussed with a classmate of her university who went like "It happened but it wasn't a genocide" so even in 2022 the discussion in Turkey still happens between the younger generations.
I would support monetary reparations but not property reparations because they would go nowhere for one too many reasons. Though I think just recognition would be enough for most.
However the Holocaust has already being recognized (to the point that probably is one of the only if not the only think many people remember), there are still reparations to this day from (as far as I know, mainly) Germany so asking and/or pretending reparations to a country who has ALREADY made it illegal to question said event and was also one of the primary victims of the same regime that murdered them is fucking absurd.
Not to mention that Israel offered refuge to this Salomon Morel - Wikipedia piece of shit just because he was of their group and no apology was EVER offered to Poland, despite there was extensive proof of his deeds.

 

[ATP]

Well then if Saudis had a real army in 1947 when poor why can't they fight for shit with best stuff money can buy in America.

No, there is a difference.

America still has money and a superpower army, if that's not enough for you, you need to get your bearings.

They also tried in 1920's, just lost.

My point exactly.

WTF is this alt history, Egypt and Jordan fought too, in fact they provided more troops than Syria, go to school.

Funny how you go with Ukrainian early attempts not counting because they lost against Soviet Union, while Palestinians keep losing against few million Jews but you insist that's different.

But they did fight. They lost, but Palestinians lost many times too, so you can't even get your arbitrary rules straight.

That's their problem, i'm not paid to be their advisor. But you can see that they had the ambition.

That's how things are done in Arab world, guess what Hamas does to people who complain.

As above, by that line Palestinians do not want to fight, just the terrorist governments force them.

They don't need one leader, they have the Arab League.
Over last decades Arabs have figured out that if they have one leader in charge of everything causing all the trouble to their enemies, next thing you know he gets assassinated.

1.Saudis in 1948 DO NOT send their army to fight jewish terrorists.
2. racist Itamar Ben -Gewir is minister now,responsible for police.Then is why jews there attack christians,including polish nuns.
They are idiots,but - it not change fact,that they choose to be our enemies.
Which made palestinian our allies.Enemy of my enemy....
3.If USA support our enemies with their ar,y,then we are not allies.And must seek somebody who do not support our enemies.
I prefer USA to China commies,but if we do not any other choice...
4.Germans gave them state in better shape then we get from them.Poland survived,they not.
Why? becouse in 1920 polish citizen fought for their capitol/Warsaw/ ,and ukrainians refused to fight for their capitol/Kiev/
Becouse they were not real nation yet.
5.Only arab who support Izrael are muslim heretics - becouse other arabs would kill them.When jews only treat as second-class citizen.
I undarstandt them.
6.Egypt do not fought for real,and Jordan fought helping jews - for their part of palestinian lands.
7.Ukrainians in 1920 do not even really try.They could have their state,if they fought like us.
And palestinians are loosing to not few miliion of jews,but USA there.And still keep fighting.
8.Ukrainians fight in 2014 for Crimea? REALLY ? when,exactly ?
9.Nope,you claim that there exist al-putin who rule over arabs,like putin is ruling over kgbstan.
Well,show me,where he is !
10.Do not change fact,that it is not proof,that they are not palestinians.
11.terrorist Izrael goverment who force them from their homes - i could agree with that.
12.Yes,they have arab League.Which still do not have one leader,and they never had one leader since their Caliphs died.
And never would have,becouse next Caliph,if he come,would be turk.

 

[Marduk]

1.Saudis in 1948 DO NOT send their army to fight jewish terrorists.

Then what is this:

1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Saudi Arabia: 800–1,200 (Egyptian command)

2. racist Itamar Ben -Gewir is minister now,responsible for police.Then is why jews there attack christians,including polish nuns.

Implying the people doing it care who is the minister and weren't doing it earlier.
The ultraorthodox are fucking nuts and even Israeli right does talk about that being a problem.

Israel’s Economy and Ultra-Orthodox Productivity: A Threat on the Cusp of Change?

Low ultra-orthodox productivity, high reliance on state funds, and their projected demographic growth represent a challenge to Israel's economy.

manaramagazine.org

They are idiots,but - it not change fact,that they choose to be our enemies.
Which made palestinian our allies.Enemy of my enemy....

This is exactly the same childish logic that get westerners to simp for Putin because he's against the rainbow mafia, i thought better for you.

3.If USA support our enemies with their ar,y,then we are not allies.And must seek somebody who do not support our enemies.
I prefer USA to China commies,but if we do not any other choice...

Since when are nuns in Middle East such a national interest in Poland than some vandalism against them makes a country our enemy?

Protestant Christian tortured and killed in Gaza

He managed the territory's only Christian bookshop and in the past had received threats for spreading the Gospel. Hamas promises to find those responsible for the crime. For Fr. David Jaeger, an Isr

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4.Germans gave them state in better shape then we get from them.Poland survived,they not.
Why? becouse in 1920 polish citizen fought for their capitol/Warsaw/ ,and ukrainians refused to fight for their capitol/Kiev/

Take the alt history to the appropriate forum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian–Soviet_War

On January 29, 1918, the Kiev Arsenal January Uprising, a Bolshevik-organized armed revolt, began at the Kiev Arsenal factory. The workers of the plant were joined by the soldiers of the Ponton Battalion, the 3rd Aviation Regiment and the Sahaydachny regiment. Sensing defeat, the "Central Rada" and Petlyurist forces stormed the city on February 3.[8] After six days of battle and running low on food and ammunition, the uprising was suppressed by counter-revolutionary forces,[9] in which 300 Bolshevik workers died. According to Soviet era sources, more than 1500 pro-Soviet workers and soldiers were killed during the struggle.[10] On February 8 the Ukrainian government evacuated Kyiv in order to avoid destruction by opposing Soviet troops, which then entered Kyiv under Mikhail Muravyov's on February 9.

Once the Bolsheviks took Kyiv, they began an offensive in Right-Bank Ukraine. However, on February 9 the UNR signed the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and thus received aid from German and Austro-Hungarian troops in late February, over 450,000 troops.[4] In exchange for military aid, the Ukrainians were to deliver foodstuffs to the Central Powers.[4] Under the command of Symon Petlura, the combined forces pushed the Bolsheviks out of Right Bank Ukraine and retook Kyiv on March 1. Because of the socialist policies of the Rada, mainly the policy of land nationalization which affected food exports to the Central Powers, on April 28 the German forces disbanded the Central Rada and installed the Hetman government in its place. Ukrainian, German, and Austro-Hungarian armies continued making gains, taking back Left Bank Ukraine, Crimea and the Donets Basin.[11] These setbacks forced the Bolsheviks to sign a peace treaty with the Ukrainian government on June 12.

They did fight for Kyiv, and more than once over the course of the war, learn history instead of spreading bullshit.

Becouse they were not real nation yet.

Because you refuse to fucking read and get repetitive talking point from some shitty source.

5.Only arab who support Izrael are muslim heretics - becouse other arabs would kill them.When jews only treat as second-class citizen.
I undarstandt them.

Well Muslim heresies are not our problem, they are Islamist's problem.

6.Egypt do not fought for real,and Jordan fought helping jews - for their part of palestinian lands.

Cope.

7.Ukrainians in 1920 do not even really try.They could have their state,if they fought like us.
And palestinians are loosing to not few miliion of jews,but USA there.And still keep fighting.

More alt history, stop embarrassing yourself, yeah, sure, tell us abou the US troops in Israel.

8.Ukrainians fight in 2014 for Crimea? REALLY ? when,exactly ?

Not for Crimea, separatists in the east. How were they supposed to fight a war with Russia and invade a blocked off almost-island when the military wasn't ready because just few months ago they had Russian agents in charge of it, and half the fighting in east had to be done by volunteer militias because the army was such a mess?
Did you want them to pull off amphibious landings against Russian army with militias? Are you out of your mind? Don't answer that, everyone knows.

9.Nope,you claim that there exist al-putin who rule over arabs,like putin is ruling over kgbstan.
Well,show me,where he is !

The problem is that there were many wannabe ones and they can't agree which one should be it because they all wanted the spot, so they stick with own fiefdoms and wait for when the others will capitulate. They still wait...

10.Do not change fact,that it is not proof,that they are not palestinians.

It does change the fact.

11.terrorist Izrael goverment who force them from their homes - i could agree with that.

Propaganda bullshit, they all could have homes if they didn't start wars over last decades, but no, they have to insist on no peace because they want this and that little piece of desert.

12.Yes,they have arab League.Which still do not have one leader,and they never had one leader since their Caliphs died.

That's a skill issue on the part of Arabs, not our business. Arabs having bad organization, whodathunk, aren't you confusing Arabs for Germans or something?

And never would have,becouse next Caliph,if he come,would be turk.

Another reason for them to fight each other, lol.

 

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The only movement for reparations as of now I would support is the one for the Armenian genocide, because there is the main perpetrator's successor state who still denies it together with Pakistan and Azerbaijan.
This is as one as dated three Turks very recently, the last one (my longest relationship as well) we had even a couple talks about it : first time was when the my Polish friend, the girlfriend of my Syrian-Armenian friend, mentioned he was Armenian in front of her so we talked about it; second time was a made a joke about it from me and she told her sister about, got a nice surprise: "Yes we are the only country not recognizing" so that was a positive surprise. Third time she mentioned he had discussed with a classmate of her university who went like "It happened but it wasn't a genocide" so even in 2022 the discussion in Turkey still happens between the younger generations.
I would support monetary reparations but not property reparations because they would go nowhere for one too many reasons. Though I think just recognition would be enough for most.
However the Holocaust has already being recognized (to the point that probably is one of the only if not the only think many people remember), there are still reparations to this day from (as far as I know, mainly) Germany so asking and/or pretending reparations to a country who has ALREADY made it illegal to question said event and was also one of the primary victims of the same regime that murdered them is fucking absurd.
Not to mention that Israel offered refuge to this Salomon Morel - Wikipedia piece of shit just because he was of their group and no apology was EVER offered to Poland, despite there was extensive proof of his deeds.

As far as I’m concerned the whole repetitions thing should stop. Pretty much everyone involved in the Holocaust is dead or old and senile. Same goes for the Armenian Genocide.

Plus, in Germany at least, they’ve over corrected into basically hating themselves for everything pre-1945, which has not been healthy for their nation. Indeed, it’s like watching a more advanced version of the same disease that’s plaguing most Western countries, where people hate their past, are outright ignorant of it, and have no real connection to their own history or culture. Instead just being wage slaves of ‘economic zone no.26’.