Israel ðŸ‡®ðŸ‡± State of Israel Thread

ATP

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Given the alternative explanation is "Isreal decide to risk a bunch of ridiculously expensive military hardware and equally expensive fighter pilots for no good reason and just wanted to kill some people".....yeah, the most plausible explanation is that Isreal had a fairly legit reason for attacking.

This was targeted at Bashir "gas the civilians and barrel bomb the survivors" Assad or forces loyal to him, are you under the impression that attacking him is immoral?

1.They are democracy.Apartaid,but still.They could do so for winning election.
2.Anybody else,except Kurds,is as bad or worst.
 

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This was targeted at Bashir "gas the civilians and barrel bomb the survivors" Assad or forces loyal to him, are you under the impression that attacking him is immoral?
Knowing all the stories of such airstrikes done before where target was known, more likely something belonging or intended to belong to Hezbollah.
Like this:
Whenever i hear if Israeli airstrike in Syria, i wonder if its about Hezbollah, and at least 90% of the time i'm right.
 
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ATP

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1. Isreal is not an apartaid state.
2. The next election isn't until 2025, and "hey, remember when we bombed that thing 3 years ago" isn't a winning campaign slogan.

There is no izraeli citizenship,only jews,arabs,druz etc.So,yes,aparthaid.
Which could be good things - Rhodesia was better place for blacks to live then Zimbwabwe.And when some arab kings could be good rulers,other form of goverment,like palestynian,almost always fail its people.Palestinians probably are lucky to be opressed in aparthaid state by jews - otherwise,their arab overlords would let them suffer more.
 

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There is no izraeli citizenship,only jews,arabs,druz etc.So,yes,aparthaid.
That's it.
Here's a better take.
By that logic all western countries with affirmative action or similar measures being legal are apartheid states. So who the hell can complain. Everyone is the same.
Most of Muslim countries have religious apartheid on the other hand.
Whatever you think about apartheid states, the people interested in calling other countries apartheid states in international politics mean it as purely a bad thing and do it as a hostile move.
 

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Given the alternative explanation is "Isreal decide to risk a bunch of ridiculously expensive military hardware and equally expensive fighter pilots for no good reason and just wanted to kill some people".....yeah, the most plausible explanation is that Isreal had a fairly legit reason for attacking.

This was targeted at Bashir "gas the civilians and barrel bomb the survivors" Assad or forces loyal to him, are you under the impression that attacking him is immoral?
No you don't understand, it's clearly a plot by the Jews to conquer Syria, that prime piece of fertile real estate with the docile population that's just waiting to get colonized.
 

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These debates always baffle me. I don't really care about Israel, and have not put anywhere near the amount of research into it as I have issues that I am passionate about. My arguments are based on what I've picked up in previous discussions and what I can find on a quick Google, not on really serious research where I can confidently say I'm debating based on earned expertise.

It should not be hard to put together an argument that is at the very least difficult for me to quickly refute, and the fact the anti-israel side has systematically failed to do this after years of me getting into these debates speaks volumes about the weakness of that position.
 

LordsFire

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These debates always baffle me. I don't really care about Israel, and have not put anywhere near the amount of research into it as I have issues that I am passionate about. My arguments are based on what I've picked up in previous discussions and what I can find on a quick Google, not on really serious research where I can confidently say I'm debating based on earned expertise.

It should not be hard to put together an argument that is at the very least difficult for me to quickly refute, and the fact the anti-israel side has systematically failed to do this after years of me getting into these debates speaks volumes about the weakness of that position.

The thing is, in order to be pro-Israel, all one has to do is recognize the nation (and jews) have a right to exist, and just how insane Hamas and their assorted allies are.

In order to be not just pro-Palestinian, but anti-Israeli, one has to buy into all of the Palestinian propaganda (or something close to it), and that means living in a different reality, which is why such people are notoriously terrible at convincing anyone else who doesn't already drink the kool-aid.
 

King Arts

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There is no izraeli citizenship,only jews,arabs,druz etc.So,yes,aparthaid.
Which could be good things - Rhodesia was better place for blacks to live then Zimbwabwe.And when some arab kings could be good rulers,other form of goverment,like palestynian,almost always fail its people.Palestinians probably are lucky to be opressed in aparthaid state by jews - otherwise,their arab overlords would let them suffer more.
ATP what do you mean there is no Israeli citizenship? Are you talking about the left over millet system? You can still have a millet system and an overhead Israeli citizenship.
 

ATP

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ATP what do you mean there is no Israeli citizenship? Are you talking about the left over millet system? You can still have a millet system and an overhead Israeli citizenship.

What they have in their passports and identity card.If they have israeli, i am wrong.If they have jew/druz/arab etc, i am right.That is all.Personally,i do not care - becouse aparthaid coud be as bad or good as any other system.
Except communism and other leftist ideas - they must be wrong.
 

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What they have in their passports and identity card.If they have israeli, i am wrong.If they have jew/druz/arab etc, i am right.That is all.Personally,i do not care - becouse aparthaid coud be as bad or good as any other system.
Except communism and other leftist ideas - they must be wrong.
Then you are using the same word with a completely different interpretation than the people who have written that report and used that term. In the meaning they use it, its 100% super bad, and so do 99.999% people who will read it and quote it.
 

ATP

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Then you are using the same word with a completely different interpretation than the people who have written that report and used that term. In the meaning they use it, its 100% super bad, and so do 99.999% people who will read it and quote it.

You are victim of leftist propaganda.They trained people to belive that aparthaid is bad - when,in reality,it could be either bad or good as any system made by people.Except leftist or commies,of course.
Do not let them brainwash you.
 

Bear Ribs

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What they have in their passports and identity card.If they have israeli, i am wrong.If they have jew/druz/arab etc, i am right.That is all.Personally,i do not care - becouse aparthaid coud be as bad or good as any other system.
Except communism and other leftist ideas - they must be wrong.
They have Israeli.
800px-Israel_Biometric_Passport.jpg
 

Marduk

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You are victim of leftist propaganda.They trained people to belive that aparthaid is bad - when,in reality,it could be either bad or good as any system made by people.Except leftist or commies,of course.
Do not let them brainwash you.
Tell that to that 99.999% people are brainwashed and do understand the term in this way, who are the intended audience of the report, and will interpret the message contained in the way meant by the author.
In the end words are means of communication, and the mainstream definition of the term "apartheid" is fused with a negative meaning.
 

King Arts

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They have Israeli.
800px-Israel_Biometric_Passport.jpg
Then they are not aparthaid.Pity,i really like Rhodesia,and hoped that we have one normal country with Aparthaid.
I don't know if they have it on the passport, but they do have an internal division for family law. You see Israel does not have secular marriage, to get married you have to get a religious marriage from a recognized religion. That means Jews even if they are atheist to get married have to go to an Orthodox Rabbi to get it done. For Christians there are like 5 approved denomination Catholic, Greek Eastern Orthodox, and Anglican and a few others. But if you are a protestant your church is not recognized in Israel.
I actually like their way better than America's.
 

ATP

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I don't know if they have it on the passport, but they do have an internal division for family law. You see Israel does not have secular marriage, to get married you have to get a religious marriage from a recognized religion. That means Jews even if they are atheist to get married have to go to an Orthodox Rabbi to get it done. For Christians there are like 5 approved denomination Catholic, Greek Eastern Orthodox, and Anglican and a few others. But if you are a protestant your church is not recognized in Israel.
I actually like their way better than America's.


That make sense.As long,as you could not change religion to change waifu.
About good Aparthaid states - South Africa,especially Boers,also worked well.
@Marduk - that is reality,but we still should use words in normal meaning,otherwise we arleady lost to enemy.Becouse using enemy language mean,that he arleady defeated us.
 

Marduk

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That make sense.As long,as you could not change religion to change waifu.
About good Aparthaid states - South Africa,especially Boers,also worked well.
@Marduk - that is reality,but we still should use words in normal meaning,otherwise we arleady lost to enemy.Becouse using enemy language mean,that he arleady defeated us.
It may have been normal meaning back when apartheid in South Africa was set up. But now most people who understood the term in that meaning are very old or dead.
And the rest simply don't understand the difference and are uninterested in learning it.
Especially when this new meaning is enshrined in legal documentation and treaties, which the report is specifically aimed at exploiting.
 

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