Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Whatever right they want they're going to have to pry it with their cold dead hands but they're not doing a good job at it.
Israel 🇮🇱 State of Israel Thread
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History Learner
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S-300 Surface-To-Air Missile Fired At Israeli Jets Over Syria For First Time: Report
In a first in the 11-year Syrian Civil War, Russian-supplied missiles have fired on Israeli jets, but with no casualties.www.thedrive.com
So apparently this was the first time ANY S-300 in Syria has fired at Israel planes, and it seems even 'Syrian' S-300s are often effectively commanded by Russian officers.
Now just wait if the Russians start supplying S-400s to Syria lol. The Bear is awake and absolutely roaring right now.
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Which is why he went out of his way to engage with me twice, and specifically state he was going to put me on ignore. Weird to engage in that much interaction if he saw no point in it.
Beyond the brief report you just quoted I'm not aware of any additional info. Israeli media is busy covering the Palestinian riots and the death of the AJ journalist, they barely even mentioned the S-300 incident.
I've seen speculation that the launch was intended as an implied threat from Russia, since Israeli-Russian relations had deteriorated somewhat because of the Ukraine issue. Israel made some statements that sympathize with Ukraine, Russia said that Hitler had Jewish blood, Israel summoned the Russian ambassador... diplomatically things had gotten a bit dicey between the two as of late. Russia, in the typical Russian heavy handed way, probably just "reminded" Israel that it should play nice or Russia can make intercepting Iranian supplies to Hezbollah much harder.
How a prominent European Zionist writer and activist in 1902 predicted that the State of Israel would look like in the future.
Yep. Unfortunately, he underestimated the effect of Arab honour. If the Arabs weren't so adamant that Jews should not be allowed to live in Israel, reality could be much closer to Herzel's vision.
Well, Palestinian Arabs didn't want to become marginalized in their own country. Jewish immigrants would have provided an economic boost to Palestine, no doubt, but it would have also had the effect of weakening Palestinian Arab political power in Palestine. Similar to why many present-day Jewish Israelis don't want non-Jewish immigrants even if they are highly skilled and educated (and are thus likely to benefit Israel, especially if they are pro-Zionist and non-anti-Semitic):
Most Israelis don’t want non-Jewish migrants, even if they are highly skilled
Pew poll of 12 developed countries shows Israel and Italy only places where majority opposes immigration of those with advanced degrees
www.timesofisrael.com
Majority of U.S. Public Supports High-Skilled Immigration
Many Americans support encouraging high-skilled immigration into the United States. But the U.S. trails other economically advanced nations in its share of immigrants with high skills.
www.pewresearch.org
He also didn't predict the resurgence of islamism, which is what the whole Palestinian cause switched for fuel after Arab world's disillusionment with "Arab socialism" and its own support for that cause.
They never had their own country, they were subjects of the Ottoman Empire, and then subjects of Europe's empires. They are just simply Arabs, as the quotes i brought up show, the separation of "Palestinian Arabs" out from them is a fairly recent, and extremely political invention. Who have several countries of their own. But then again, its more about religion, inter-clan issues and pride.
The difference is that there are multiple Muslim countries, also multiple Arab country. If they wanted to live in a country where people with a similar cultural/ethnic/religious background are the majority, they already had that covered.Well, Palestinian Arabs didn't want to become marginalized in their own country. Jewish immigrants would have provided an economic boost to Palestine, no doubt, but it would have also had the effect of weakening Palestinian Arab political power in Palestine. Similar to why many present-day Jewish Israelis don't want non-Jewish immigrants even if they are highly skilled and educated (and are thus likely to benefit Israel, especially if they are pro-Zionist and non-anti-Semitic):
Most Israelis don’t want non-Jewish migrants, even if they are highly skilled
Pew poll of 12 developed countries shows Israel and Italy only places where majority opposes immigration of those with advanced degrees
Majority of U.S. Public Supports High-Skilled Immigration
Many Americans support encouraging high-skilled immigration into the United States. But the U.S. trails other economically advanced nations in its share of immigrants with high skills.
There was and is only one country that is majority Jewish.
Well, Yeah, just like there is only one country that is majority-Japanese, majority-Chinese, majority-Polish, majority-Czech, majority-Slovak, majority-Italian, et cetera. Though some ethnic groups do have more than one country for them--other than Arabs, I mean. For instance, Romanians, Germans, Koreans, Albanians, et cetera.
BTW, off-topic, but I find it interesting just how conservative the Jerusalem area is relative to the rest of Israel:
Becouse they stolen country from arabs.Rights of property exist for everybody,or for nobody.
Jews could take arab lands? fine,but now anybody could take their land.
And where did Arabs get that land from?
That does lead into a good point, in the whole region the whole question of who owns land and who is its rightful sovereign is a jumbled mess that the colonial powers tried to unscrew by drawing lines on a map but a lot of people hate their lines anyway.
To be precise - local muslims who are mix of arabs and jews who become pagans,then christians,and finally muslims.And,biologically ,are more jewish then current jews.
Certainly have more rights to lands then them.
Even if modern jews was descendents of old jews,giving them land becouse they have it 2000 years ago means that we must gave most of Europe to celts.
And,of course,entire USA to indians.Every american who support Izrael should gave his land to indians first.
Have you ever looked at the historical demographics?
The area is nearly solely Muslim mostly thanks to the Muslim's history of being utter assholes to local non-Muslims, slowly degrading their numbers through murder, forced conversion and emigration to avoid the last 2. Part of the last one includes Jews, though Christians should get even more of the Arab land. There is no reason why the "forced conversion" segment should carry the sole ownership of the land.
I don't consider that a legitimate way to gain a proper right to a property.
There are no "other Celts" who got kicked out of Celt lands by France and the other Celt heavy states, those are their states now. If there was a nation of few million of Celts like that and they wanted a piece of France, we would be living in alternate history, and there is a chance they would get a piece of it.
And Americans gave Indians reserves anyway. Its not like anyone is kicking out Arabs from all the land west of Arabian Peninsula, even if Israel kicked out all the Arabs, Arabs would still have 99% of the land they conquered, as in they would still be making out like bandits from the affair.
49ersfootball
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I strongly hope the situation doesn't escalate to that point.
PS: I strongly stand with Israel 100%!
@GoldRanger What are your thoughts on this? :
www.timesofisrael.com
340 Ethiopian immigrants to arrive next week as part of renewed operation
Minister Pnina Tamano-Shata vows 'I will not leave anyone behind,' as 3,000 Ethiopian Jews await immigration flights
www.timesofisrael.com
1.It was mostly forced conversion.First Assyrians made local poor jews pagans/rich was relocated to current Iraq and their descendents there are good muslims/ then to chrystianity,then to islam.
But,they are still more Izraeli then chazars which cosplay as jews nowdays.
2.Bretons could be consider such celts.
But - you are right partially,arabs really conqered all those lands and could not be consider lawfull owners.
Problem is - palestinians are mix of arabs and old jews,and as such have more right to Izrael land and name then chazars.
Forced conversion/assimilation/cultural genocide is the dodgy territory here.
So invading countries should be rewarded with legitimate ownership of a land if they culturally genocide the locals?
Doesn't sound like a great idea. Nor just. Nor smart if you want to discourage it from happening.
Well France is not kicking them out and they don't even have separatist tendencies, they all speak French as first or second language and don't want to leave France, so no problems there.
But there is an obvious solution to a doubtful situation like that, which the British thought of long before we were born. Instead of having the impossible question of who owns absolutely all the land, split it and give each group some piece. Arabs still have the vast majority of the land, but they are assholes and want not 90%, not 99%, they absolutely do want 100%.
Egypt alone has 50 times as much land as Israel. Syria has 9 times as much, and Jordan 4 times as much. Its not like Israel grabbed all the land and told Arabs to go drown in the sea or something.
1.People who are biological descendents of jewish owners still have right to land,even if they changed faith many times.
2.Becouse french regullary massacred them.
3.We are not taking about arab lands,but palestinian lands.Dudes whose ancestors lived there from bronze age till 1948,when chazars cosplaing as jews come and kicked them out.
Israel got around 10,000 olim from both Russia and Ukraine each since the Russo-Ukrainian War began:
I'm actually a huge fan of expanding the Gaza Strip to the west into the Sinai Peninsula:
I'm actually a huge fan of expanding the Gaza Strip to the west into the Sinai Peninsula: