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Turkey doesn't need nukes it's under the US nuclear umbrella hell the US has a stockpile of tactical nukes at a jointly operated airbase in Turkey
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They took a border area tens of kilometers wide, due to their own toruble with them. Iran has its hands all over the whole place, with tens of thousands of Hezbollah fighters, IRGC, plus economic and political influence.
How? When?
No one cares if they are civilized or not, nevermind the differing definitions of that, what everyone cares about is what they are doing.
On that account Turkey is much less of a threat to Israel than Iran.
If they start doing different things, they probably will reevaluate.
And?
Shitty rockets with the deployment tactics they have are terror weapons. They are hardly anything by the standards of industrialized armies with batteries of truck mounted Grads, so what they have is of minimal military use. It is a terror weapon for them, and a terror weapon's job is to inspire terror. If they fire them off, they do very little, kill few hapless civilians, get them airstrike'd, but after the weapons are spent, they no longer can inspire terror. They do that best when they are kept ready and their use can be threatened regularly.
Not only they have, its a recent one.
Iran, post-revolution at least, is fortunately still limited to trying and having the Supreme Leader wish they did one.
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Yes, its a tough one, but common hatred of Israel is something they have in common with Sunnis, so they are going with that.
When Turkey has its own Hezbollah on their borders and becomes the main sponsor of Palestinian terrorists, they will certainly worry about Turkey becoming too much of a pain for them. As for now, that's Iran.
1.Becouse turks massacred Kurds who lived on border,when Iran fought ISIS which was elsywhere.
2.Nukes - from their russian or chineese friends.Unless american umbrella still work when they made friends with Putin.Maybe China order Biden to gave Turkey nukes? he gave talibans a lot of weapons,after all.
3.Problem is behaviour? Iran do not occupy other country,Izrael does.
4.Arab genocided tribesman.That is their limit.Both Turks and Iran are potentially of genocide nation - but only Turks really did so once.
5.Common hatred for Izraelis - if both shia and sunni hate them enough to cooperate,then Izrael is problem,not muslims.
6.What terrorists ? they use the same tactic as jews before 1948.Which was noble freedom fighters.
@King Arts - i knew,that muslim take Spain partially thanks to jewish fifth column.
Iran fought everyone Assad fought, not just ISIS.
Impossible. Neither of these would risk getting caught doing that, because it would lead to their regional enemies getting greenlighted for nukes by US government the moment they get a decent one.
Lol, Iran prefers to run other countries through proxies, the difference is only in optics.
What country does Israel occupy?
Obviously, in all of these cases means and opportunity are the only limit.
That's a hilarious assumption. Do i need to remind you of the important quote regarding how these things work there?
Infidel is the only thing that can unite Shia and Sunni parts of islamic world. And Jews obviously are infidels to them, no secret or conspiracy there.
No, they have expanded a lot on these tactics. And if before 1948 you told the British to excuse both Jewish and Arabs blowing shit up because they are occupied, they would laugh at you.
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1.Yes,But only Iran and Kurds actually fought ISIS.Izrael do not fought them,but bombed those who fought.Which mean acted like ISIS ally.
2.Current USA would do anything what both KGB and China would like,so why bother about their non-reaction?
3.Izrael occupy Palestine.Country recognized by UN.
4.Nope.Arabs are unable to genocide anybody but tribesman,when both Turks and Iran could genocide real countries.Difference is - turks would do so,Iran - not.
5.Nope. Persia fought Turks and allied with christian nations against each others.For example,in 17th century,when we fought Turks,Persia was our ally.It is really shame,that now we help Izrael who attack us against our old ally.
6.And Izrael expand their tactis.For example,lying that Poland helped germans in Holocaust.
About funny Izrael fact - Uchenny Eze from Nigeria play soccer in Maccabi Tel Aviv,but get kicked becouse of poor performance on one match/2005/.Who he blamed? jews? nope! another african from Ghana,who used juju to made him weak.
Everybody in Nigeria belived him.
When Ghana defeated Nigeria 2:1 in 2008,it was attributed to shaman who was dancing with 2 chickens entire match.
P.S dear @GoldRanger - jewish politicians divert attention from their own corrut behavoiur by blaming Poland for german crimes.Why Khaled Maschal should be better ?
Manifest bullshit.
Israel is bombing Isis fighters
An Israeli front is 'the last thing IS needs', former counterterrorism director says
www.independent.co.uk
Turkey bombs ISIS positions
Turkish fighter jets early yesterday bombed positions of Islamic State jihadists inside Syria for the first time, as police arrested hundreds of suspected extremists after a wave of violence.
Both Israel and Turkey occasionally fought ISIL physically, and more often, in by covert and indirect means. Of course factions that were actually fighting for control of the same ground ISIL was trying to control did the bulk of the fighting, but its odd to blame Israel for not invading Syria during the civil war.
But there is no guarantee that the next administration will have more dementia than the current one.
Just like climate change bullshit and gender theory...
The fact is that Palestine has never existed as a sovereign state.
Yes, Arabs are incompetent, but if they are allowed to keep trying they may finally succeed.
Also bold of you to argue with the Supreme Leader about what Iran would or would not do.
So? At some points Germans were our allies. At some points even Russians were our allies. There are no eternal and unconditional friendships in international relations.
Now Turkey is in the same alliance we are in and Iran isn't.
That's much more relevant to Poland than the other stuff, but no reason to suddenly start caring about things that have nothing to do with us (as opposed to pretending for political gain).
https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/11/24/idf-revamps-plan-for-next-war-to-account-for-enemies-at-home/
I wonder if any of you know of something similar in modern history (a nation's army making preparations to keep operating despite interference from a literal fifth column section of the population) or are we creating a precedent here?
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Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I'm feeling really stupid right now but which one? America? Russia? Germany? One of the other countries during the Cold War?
This is happening in Israel right now, the IDF is making official preparations to break through barricades if rioters/saboteurs try to block the IDFs ability to send reinforcements to the front, for example.
Did America, one of the European countries, or even Russia or China ever have to deal with stuff like this and prepare for it? I'm asking because I don't know, I never heard of anything like this.
Well, the US operated against a fictional 5th Column force in WWII by interning Japanese-Americans. Totally different comparison, and really doesn't parallel. Though, if you credit Israel's enemies with enough long-term planning, the ops in Israel during Op-Guardian of the Walls might be trying to get Israel to overplay against their Arab population in a similar fashion. End goal being to pull support away from Israel.
You're right, I didn't think of that example. You're also right that they're very different examples: The US didn't actually suffer from active opposition from the Japanese-American population the way Israel already did from Israeli Arabs, and Israel isn't overreacting, no plans for putting people in camps or anything, just plans for increased drawing from reserve forces to strengthen the police and its ability to secure the roads and such.
@GoldRanger I don't actually think my musing about it is accurate. Just threw out a vague possibility.
Of course.In 1920,when soviets were coming to capture Warsaw,all able poles go to army,and all polish women go to churches pray for victory.Warsaw jews made tryumphant arcs waiting for soviets with flowers.After victory,we do not punished them.
My maternal grand-grandmother saw that and passed it in family.
The same behaviour repeated in 1939 everywhere when soviet come,after 1945 till 1956 Poland was soviet-jewish colony.
After that,Poland become vassal state with jews as part of ruling commie elite.
But - it changed in 1967,before Izrael aggression on Egypt.Many jews from commie army go to Izrael,one of them,colonel Sztrasser,keep contact with jews in polish commie army.
Colonel MichaÅ Sadykiewicz and many others gave info about egyptian army to Izrael,thanks to that victory was easy.
What is more important,jews in ruling elite start openly support Izrael.Poland was soviet vassal state,so rest of our fake commie elites must react and take their most of their positions and part of privilages.
Then they go to Izrael and start crying how bad antysemite poles are -
when almost everybody in Poland dream about possibility of going West,and they were punished not by poles which they prosecuted from 1945,but commies which they served.
If it could be named as punisment at all.Polish commie who would send Izrael secret info would end in prison,soviet probably in grave.jewish ex-commies could go to free country.
So,as you could see,fifth column is something normal in human history.
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Manifest bullshit.
Israel is bombing Isis fighters
An Israeli front is 'the last thing IS needs', former counterterrorism director saysTurkey bombs ISIS positions
Turkish fighter jets early yesterday bombed positions of Islamic State jihadists inside Syria for the first time, as police arrested hundreds of suspected extremists after a wave of violence.www.thedailystar.net
Both Israel and Turkey occasionally fought ISIL physically, and more often, in by covert and indirect means. Of course factions that were actually fighting for control of the same ground ISIL was trying to control did the bulk of the fighting, but its odd to blame Israel for not invading Syria during the civil war.
But there is no guarantee that the next administration will have more dementia than the current one.
Just like climate change bullshit and gender theory...
The fact is that Palestine has never existed as a sovereign state.
Yes, Arabs are incompetent, but if they are allowed to keep trying they may finally succeed.
Also bold of you to argue with the Supreme Leader about what Iran would or would not do.
So? At some points Germans were our allies. At some points even Russians were our allies. There are no eternal and unconditional friendships in international relations.
Now Turkey is in the same alliance we are in and Iran isn't.
That's much more relevant to Poland than the other stuff, but no reason to suddenly start caring about things that have nothing to do with us (as opposed to pretending for political gain).
Sorry for late answer.
1.Izrael and turks sometimes fought ISIS - but their main enemy was somebody else.
2.Current USA gave weapon to Taliban - so they could leave H bomb keep in Turkey to new sultan,too.
3.Superpowers/China/ countries with lot of H bombs/KGB/ and countries which own superpowers/Izrael/ could not care about law.Poland must abide by it,so we must recognize palestinian state.
4.Iran could genocide its own minorities,but do not did so.So,they would not genocide anybody else,too.
5.So? we are taking about shia Iran and sunni Turks working together,when they always fought each other.Not going to happen,even against Izrael.They fought from the moment turks come there.
6.Jewis terrorists murdered cyvillians and get their state.Why palestinians using the same method should fail ?
About Izrael - i read " Razwiedcziki"/Scouts/ by Artiom Drabkin about soviet scouts during WW2./of course,in polish version/
One of them,Szalom lejbowicz skopas served in soviet 16 dyvision,after war helped murder lithuanians who fought for their freedom,belived in communism - but in 1953,when anti-jews policy started,become jew again,becouse soviet state planned do to jew the same they do to other nations.In 1959 go to Izrael.
Communism was OK for him- as long as commie methods were not used to jews.
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I see former US President Donald Trump puts former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic by Stanford J. Shaw, who is Jewish, advances the argument that Jews played a crucial role in Ottoman history by helping them take down the Byzantines.
The Ottoman conquests of Gallipoli (1354) by Orhanās son Suleyman Pasha, of Ankara (1360) in central Anatolia and of the Byzantine administrative capital of Southeastern Europe, Adrianople, in 1363 by Murad I, also were accomplished with support from the small and impoverished Jewish communities which had lived there under Byzantine persecution. Just as at Bursa, so also at Adrianople, now called Edirne, to restore it economically and make it into the capital of the Ottomansā European possessions as quickly as possible, the Turkish conquerors repopulated it with large numbers of Jews resettled from the newly conquered lands in Bosnia and Serbia as well as with Ashkenazi refugees from Hungary, southern Germany, Italy, France, Poland and Russia, providing them with substantial tax and other concessions.
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When the Ottoman sultan Mehmed II Fatih (The Conqueror) captured Constantinople and brought the Byzantine Empire finally to an inglorious end in 1453, his armies broke into the city through one of the Jewish quarters and with the assistance of the local Jewish population who, as at Bursa and Edirne, were overjoyed at the opportunity to throw off their Greek oppressors. So also at Buda and Pest in 1526, on the island of Rhodes in 1522, at Belgrade (1526), in Azerbaijan (1534), Iraq and Iran (1534-35, 1638). Yemen (1628) and elsewhere, Jews welcomed the conquering forces of Suleyman the Magnificent, and in each case they were rewarded with tax exemptions, concessions for trade and exploitation of minerals, repair or expansion of old synagogues, and even free houses and shops to meet the needs of the increasing Jewish populations.
So not just Spain or Byzantium, nor even limited to Christian states.
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Remember when you argued with me about this back in May, and now here we have the IDF openly admitting to this? Not only were the evictions stopped, the conflict provoked such Pan Arab unity-as I said it did back in May-that the IDF's ability to fight in future wars has been compromised. Regardless, this is also great news beyond confirmation of my prior arguments; hopefully it makes Tel Aviv think twice before further ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem and the West Bank.
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Poland was betrayed by jews in 1920.We did nothing.They betrayed us,again,in 1939.I always thought,that we are nation of idiots if we let jews live among us after first treason,but it seems,that ERE and Persia was even more stupid.
Thanks,now i feel relevied.
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Any sources?