United States Unidentified Federal Agents conducting unmarked vehicle snatches of protestors in Portland

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Considering that the perception is that marking a van with police is the same as if you were to add SS lightning bolts to your vehicle and called yourself the Gestapo, perception does not fucking matter anymore. It “looks really bad” when a uniformed cop that announced himself shoots a guy who immediately pulled out a gun and tried to blow his fucking head off. That’s the point we are at now.
On the one hand, glowniggers. On the other, protestors. Whoever gets hurt in a conflict between them, thats a net positive, but you wont catch me rooting for either.


Well, it may not be everyone, but you Americans have had an increase in guns bought
Whether or not it's illegal, just try taking those guns away by force, you'll get shot
Good.
 
I don't think there's anything good about unmarked vans disappearing people in the middle of the night (though spraying dye all over the protesters to identify and search them out later is a great idea and definitely should be implemented), but I also don't think there's anything good about no-knock warrants, which are the real example of police brutality in the United States. I'd see the two as basically linked behaviours and concepts which both need to be outlawed.
 
I'm not sure what the outrage you're implying here really is. The use of unmarked police vehicles for a variety of police operations is hardly something new, uncommon or legally dubious.

The relevant federal law enforcement are Federal Protective Service Police, who have always had a modest presence in Portland because they're basically the campus police for federal buildings. But that's not who is involved in this; these unmarked grabs are being carried out by Customs and Border Patrol officers, and officially speaking they're not detaining protesters per se (CBP has no authority to carry out law enforcement actions); they're detaining "suspected illegal immigrants".

Also, they're not unmarked police vehicles, or even generic government vehicles. They are using *literal rental cars*, which means there's pretty much no way of knowing that these are sanctioned operations.

Have you considered that the Antifa types, and their black-block allies at events like this, have forced these measures due to the danger to law enforcement and civilians, given their doxxing habits, propensity actually use firearms against cops these days, and the fact the mayor tacitly endorsed the violence?

There are zero -- ZERO -- reports of Portland protesters using firearms. The extent of violence in Portland has been a handful of broken windows in the first few days, subsequently stuff like throwing water bottles at the police, and with the recent escalation, some shooting off of recreational-tier fireworks. Not actual weapons, much less firearms.
 
There are zero -- ZERO -- reports of Portland protesters using firearms. The extent of violence in Portland has been a handful of broken windows in the first few days, subsequently stuff like throwing water bottles at the police, and with the recent escalation, some shooting off of recreational-tier fireworks. Not actual weapons, much less firearms.
No actual weapons okay.

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Picture comes from the arrest of a dude who shot paramedics with said slingshot.
 
....I'm sorry, but WTF does that mean, because those last six letters (well, seven) spell out a really disgusting word.

The term "glow in the dark" is often used to refer to how federal officers are supposedly active online trying to suppress or oppress whatever on forums or social media or what have you.

Using that term that your quoting is basically like saying "glow in the dark" but it's more edgy and insulting. Typically it's used again for online presence but the term glownigger is increasingly being used to reference all federal law enforcement even if not online and though not the case here, it has been used to refer to federal LEO's in regards to advocating or working on behalf of Black politicians or policies/operations that would benefit those communities allegedly. Just another 4chan/pol term.
 
Start by labeling the police vans as police vans. Just marking the vans would make this much less suspicious. This is a battle of perception.
This would allow Antifa and BLM scouts to tell thier ringleaders to GTFO before the cops can get them.

Why should the Feds make it easy for the rioters and agitators to see them coming and get away before they are caught?
 
This would allow Antifa and BLM scouts to tell thier ringleaders to GTFO before the cops can get them.

Why should the Feds make it easy for the rioters and agitators to see them coming and get away before they are caught?
Because the police operates according to laws, and doing this is just the type of police state bs I hate.

Meanwhile, that CBP is arresting anyone is just wrong entirely, and blatantly against the law. They are limited to only arrest people violating the law in front of them, and people who are illegal immigrants.
 
....I'm sorry, but WTF does that mean, because those last six letters (well, seven) spell out a really disgusting word.

It comes from a now deceased man named Terry Davis. Terry Davis was a gifted engineer and programmer who created his own hobby operating system called TempleOS. Terry was also a profoundly mentally ill person, and suffered paranoid delusions. He also liked to Podcast, and gained a bit of a fan following for his insane rants.

The term arises from his comment on one of his podcasts "The CIA niggers glow in the dark, you can see them if you're driving. You just run them over "

4chan and others picked it up. Now "Glow in the Dark" means Fed.

 
Because the police operates according to laws, and doing this is just the type of police state bs I hate.

Meanwhile, that CBP is arresting anyone is just wrong entirely, and blatantly against the law. They are limited to only arrest people violating the law in front of them, and people who are illegal immigrants.
Well some of those rioters are probably illegal immigrants, or people who assist them, so...

Also, you haven't said how they should account for the new harassment and doxxing tactics against LEOs and thier families. You haven't said how they should get these people when they have scouts and lookouts who could warn them if marked cop cars are moving in. You haven't said anything to address the fact that this is only happening because the local cops were ordered to stand down instead of doing thier jobs.
 
Well some of those rioters are probably illegal immigrants, or people who assist them, so...
That's a crap argument. Arresting a group because some are guilty is classic police state bullshit, known as collective guilt. I despise this.
Also, you haven't said how they should account for the new harassment and doxxing tactics against LEOs and thier families. You haven't said how they should get these people when they have scouts and lookouts who could warn them if marked cop cars are moving in. You haven't said anything to address the fact that this is only happening because the local cops were ordered to stand down instead of doing thier jobs.
Bad behavior on one side does not allow for bad behavior on the other side. I ultimately don't care if a few get away if it means that police are acting properly. The important part is that police act as police. As for doxing, I'm not seeing how having labeled vans would cause doxing.
 
That's a crap argument. Arresting a group because some are guilty is classic police state bullshit, known as collective guilt. I despise this.
The fact is, there are very few 'innocent' people involved in the organized, coordinated lawlessness on the streets of Portland. Particularly the ones who came in from out of state just to be there when they know cops and local gov won't do anything.

You seem to keep forgetting it lack of proper policing, for partisan reasons, that led to this situation.

Bad behavior on one side does not allow for bad behavior on the other side. I ultimately don't care if a few get away if it means that police are acting properly. The important part is that police act as police. As for doxing, I'm not seeing how having labeled vans would cause doxing.
I see it as fighting fire with fire, a very valid strategy if you know anything about wilderness firefighting.
 
There are zero -- ZERO -- reports of Portland protesters using firearms.

The extent of violence in Portland has been a handful of broken windows in the first few days, subsequently stuff like throwing water bottles at the police, and with the recent escalation, some shooting off of recreational-tier fireworks.
 
People do understand that being arrested like this is basically Antifa's wet dream, right? This does nothing at all to solve the problem and makes it worse. They are effectively cheap martyrs. The way to win this is to resort to as little force as possible, and constantly be in the moral superior position. Law enforcement sinking to the oppositions level is a straight up loss.

And this is on top of this just being ugly and wrong. This isn't how America should act.

'As little force as possible' to accomplish what? Because the levels of force the city has been exhibiting have actively encouraged this behavior. I would absolutely favor using the minimum amount of force needed to effectively end the riots and violence.

The problem is, that what will end this violence, is changing the perception on the part of the rioters, that their actions will not have consequences. As long as they continue to think that they can get away with this stuff, they will keep doing it.

That means that they have to perceive that overwhelming force will be used against them. Make no bones about this, the criminals and potential criminals of this sort need to be afraid of what the law will do to them for their crimes. That means that demonstration of both force, and the willingness to use force, must be a part of actually resolving this.

So long as there is sufficient probable cause or a warrant involved, and so long as they are given due process of law once arrested, as long as the officers identify themselves as they make the actual arrest, I'm fine with this.


Also, given your comments in posts further down the thread, I suppose you think that plain-clothes detectives riding in unmarked cars are incredibly immoral then? Because that's been a thing for a very long time.
 
Also, given your comments in posts further down the thread, I suppose you think that plain-clothes detectives riding in unmarked cars are incredibly immoral then? Because that's been a thing for a very long time.
Oh, not at all. I don't have an issue with them moving in unmarked cars. The putting arrested people into unmarked cars, when you don't have much identifying information on, that's my issue. A number of things would have made me okay with what happened. First, I'd need it not to be CBP doing this, unless they had reasonable suspicion that every arestee was an illegal immigrant. Then I'd need them to ID themselves better. This could be a marked van, showing a badge, wearing a uniform with a name plate, etc.
 
Antifa had 6 weeks to stop being retarded arsonists and vandals. Portland had 6 weeks to enforce the law and stop this bullshit.

Instead Antifa kept breaking and burning shit, and the Portland PD was made to stand down and watch and when they did arrest the people the spineless commie sympathetic politicians forced them to release these faggots with barely a slap on the wrist which meant it they were back to rioting in moments.

They had it coming, and I am laughing out loud at these retards destroying their lives to propagate marxist propaganda. Thye are now looking at federal charges, some that could see 20 years behind bars. And of course the politicians are trying to defend these terrorists because they fully agree and/or are complicit on this shit.

If these were anti-mask protesters or anti-lockdown people from back in May pulling this shit no federal agents would have been needed because they would have been arrested long ago. If these were any sort of right wing organization like I don't know Proud Boys or something it would not have mattered. They had it coming.
 

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