Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

To be fair the semi flat tops of these BMP's and MTLB's are pretty well suited to picnicking. If you get a retractable awning or something it'd be nice for sunbathing as well.

Can't do that with a Bradley... The Abrams is probably better suited to mounting a recreational gazebo then the Russian T-series tanks though.


You can kid, but if what I heard from one former Abrams tanker is correct? They were experimenting with different things mounted on the Abrams turrets, one of them was a Stinger AA missile launcher.

In other news...





Another failed Russian tank attack, this time in the Novomykhailivka area, with at least two tanks colliding with each other again. Estimate 11 vehicles lost.

In essence, amateur hour. I'm starting to be reminded of the stories of the "voyage of the damned" IE the Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron during the Russo-Japanese War.
 
Russian Troops Have Entered the Northern Bits of Avdiivka. The last "City" Russia mostly captured was Bakhmut back in the Spring of 2023 after a short ten month campaign.



Video on why Avdiivka matters to Russia so much. Basically of it being a fortress city controlled by the Ukrainians within symbolic spitting distance of Donetsk.



Cluster Munitions being used on a column of Russian BTR-82's in an Assault Near Avdiivka.



Fighting Continues Within the Ruins of the City Itself



An American M1A1 Abrams of the 47th Mechanized Brigade Spotted Near Avdiivka as well. First documented sighting near a combat zone AFAIK.

 
You can also use up whatever stockpiles of T-55 ammunition you have left for largely wasteful indirect fire support instead of utilizing more in demand 125mm tank ammunition for largely wasteful indirect fire support.

It's better to have a T-55 as fire support vehicle then have no fire support at all.
I've seen BMP-1s shooting their 73mm cannons in indirect role (over and accross a patch of forest), while a guy flying an FPV drone was correcting their shots.
 
It's better to have a T-55 as fire support vehicle then have no fire support at all.
I've seen BMP-1s shooting their 73mm cannons in indirect role (over and accross a patch of forest), while a guy flying an FPV drone was correcting their shots.
But is it much better? It's a huge, logistically intense way to deliver sub-par fire support. A 120mm mortar with good crew could probably do the same thing better and cheaper.
 
But is it much better? It's a huge, logistically intense way to deliver sub-par fire support. A 120mm mortar with good crew could probably do the same thing better and cheaper.

A crappy tank can still provide both direct and indirect fire. T-55 gun is 100mm, not much use against modern tanks but still more then enough against BMPs, BTRs, M113s, heck, even a Bradley won't be "walking away" from a direct hit should one be scored. Never mind trucks and support vehicles, or fortified positions.
Sure, a large caliber mortar is better in indirect role, but in direct one not so much. Nor is a mortar as mobile if it needs to be set up and is not mounted on a vehicle - yes, our Rak M120s are quite excellent and Ukraine got a load of them. But they are not as damage resistant as even an old tank, and certainly not as "expendable".

Plus it seems neither side can be all that picky, they use what they have, not what they would like. So having a T-55 still beats having a heavy MG on a pickup, or having nothing at all.
It's really a pity Poland got rid of it's T-55 fleet, ours were neatly upgraded (fire control system, laser detection and warning systems, bunch of other stuff) and could have been donated.

Yeah, indirecy fire from a direct fire weapon is not good

Not as good as from a dedicated weapon that's for sure, but still beats having nothing at all. That was the whole Soviet idea of 3rd and 4th echelon tanks and armoured vehicles, the simplified "monkey models" of Soviet armour - by the time these would come out to play, other side was expected to have no armour at all.
 
A crappy tank can still provide both direct and indirect fire. T-55 gun is 100mm, not much use against modern tanks but still more then enough against BMPs, BTRs, M113s, heck, even a Bradley won't be "walking away" from a direct hit should one be scored. Never mind trucks and support vehicles, or fortified positions.
If...
The problem with using old tanks with no expensive upgrades is that their situational awareness is utterly terrible by modern standards... so unless you have seriously crack crews, them getting the first shot is very unlikely, and no one sane will put crack crews into such shitty tanks.
A Bradley will slaughter it most of the time (we saw videos of what it did to much better Russian tanks with insufficient crew quality/SA upgrades), especially if it has TOW installed.
Sure, a large caliber mortar is better in indirect role, but in direct one not so much. Nor is a mortar as mobile if it needs to be set up and is not mounted on a vehicle - yes, our Rak M120s are quite excellent and Ukraine got a load of them. But they are not as damage resistant as even an old tank, and certainly not as "expendable".
If a T-55 is in a position to do direct fire, it is in a position to be direct fired upon by an array of modern AT weapons that the battlefield is saturated with. It won't be doing that for long.
Plus it seems neither side can be all that picky, they use what they have, not what they would like. So having a T-55 still beats having a heavy MG on a pickup, or having nothing at all.
It's really a pity Poland got rid of it's T-55 fleet, ours were neatly upgraded (fire control system, laser detection and warning systems, bunch of other stuff) and could have been donated.
Either way, it's poor management of resources - if they need more artillery, they should have managed resources into making more of it, which could be done cheaper and better than improvising with old tanks that do it poorly.
Slovakia sent considerably better upgraded T-55's, not sure how they are doing.
Not as good as from a dedicated weapon that's for sure, but still beats having nothing at all. That was the whole Soviet idea of 3rd and 4th echelon tanks and armoured vehicles, the simplified "monkey models" of Soviet armour - by the time these would come out to play, other side was expected to have no armour at all.
True... but then it wasn't like in Ukraine now, with infantry AT weapons that would be considered premium quality back then now saturating the battlefield so hard that there's enough for every armored vehicle and then some.
 
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Explains why Russians were so quick to start assembling them themselves.
Also demonstrates something about honor among thieves "Axis of Resistance".
For the record the estimated cost of such a drone is between $20k to $60k.
 
China insists on only selling civilian models because they are afraid of sanctions.

Look at the currency signs...
I'm looking at what was tweeted. I don't trust rando-twit to be honest, let alone cognizant of the currency exchange rates.

I'm also at work and don't have the time to dig up the hacked source material to see if poster is correct.

Have you done that to verify the information?
 
I'm looking at what was tweeted. I don't trust rando-twit to be honest, let alone cognizant of the currency exchange rates.

I'm also at work and don't have the time to dig up the hacked source material to see if poster is correct.

Have you done that to verify the information?
 
A couple of days ago, President Zelensky reportedly visited Robotyne, very close to the frontlines and one of the towns recaptured by Ukrainian forces during last years Zaporizhzhia counteroffensive.





Reportedly footage of a StormShadow/Scalp Cruise Missile Passing Directly over a Russian S-300/S-400 Air Defense Battery located in Crimea, en route to the successful strikes upon Russia's Belbak Airbase a week ago.



Zelensky announced the Ukrainian military will establish a separate branch as a "Unmanned System Forces."



Situation still grim in Avdiivka for the Ukrainian Defenders.



Article from Popular Mechanics on the Cold War era Hawk Missiles Currently Being Used by Ukrainian Forces.


The story seemed pretty wonky to me when it first surfaced months ago back in September. I doubted that Ukraine could be arsed and that the juice was worth the squeeze beyond maybe sending some "Observers" or whatever to the continent to scope things out, but here's a recent Kyiv Post article on Ukrainian personnel supposedly in Africa engaging in intelligence efforts regarding the Russian mercenaries working acros the continent there.

 
You didn't even read that link did you? It mentions nothing of billions or the total amount of money spent, and only says they found evidence of multimillion dollar deals.
I don't know what are you asking for here, it confirms the hack in fact happened and contains this kind of data was leaked.
Didn't find complete data on open internet and it's not necessarily in a language either of us knows, so it would be worthless.
If you want to disbelieve the numbers, whatever, but no need for stubborn "it can't be in USD, prove it" kind of denial theme.
Here you have another, more mainstream site with more extensive financial math:
 
Details on the Ecuadorean Scrap Metal Being Offered to the United States Includes Six SA-8/Osa Short Range Air Defense Systems as well as BM-21 Grad MLRS, Igla Manpads, ZPU-23 SPAAG's and Mi-17 Helicopters which are currently inoperable.



A portion of the Russian missiles spammed at Ukraine last night were of North Korean origin. Specifically at least two of the five missiles launched at Kharkiv were North Korean Hvason 11GA/ KN-23 Ballistic Missiles.



Explosions Reported in the Russian City of Belgorod. Explosions and Fires Reported at a Metals Factory and a Vitamin Factory?



Two recently upgraded models of the Russian T-80BVM Main Battle Tank Left Abandoned in Donetsk.



Institute of War did a summary of ongoing efforts in Germany and South Korea specifically regarding ramping up artillery production to directly or indirectly supply Ukraine with munitions along with other aid packages being briefly discussed.


Some Ukrainian Officials Have Approached Potentially Acquiring French Mirage 2000 Jets, Likely for their Ability to Employ the StormShadow/Scalp Cruise Missiles to help alleviate the pressure put on Ukraine's dwindling Su-24M Fleet.


The British newspaper Financial Times did a media presentation on the ongoing Potemkin Village style efforts taking place in the ruins of Mariupol.

 
If...
The problem with using old tanks with no expensive upgrades is that their situational awareness is utterly terrible by modern standards... so unless you have seriously crack crews, them getting the first shot is very unlikely, and no one sane will put crack crews into such shitty tanks.

In principle I agree. But a T-55 still beats a pickup with an MG on the roof, and there was no shortage of near point blank range shooting, heck I saw a vide of Ukr BTR sneaking up on Russian tank and shooting up it's rear with 30mm from, like, 20 meters.

A Bradley will slaughter it most of the time (we saw videos of what it did to much better Russian tanks with insufficient crew quality/SA upgrades), especially if it has TOW installed.

Videos of Bradleys launching TOWs are... I don't recall ever seeing any. Lots and lots of Javelin / NLAW ones, but no TOWs that I've seen.

If a T-55 is in a position to do direct fire, it is in a position to be direct fired upon by an array of modern AT weapons that the battlefield is saturated with. It won't be doing that for long.

It's actually quite common for Russian tanks to shoot up Ukrainian fortified positions with direct fire from tanks from outside Javelin range. NLAW has even less range, and Ukraine seems to have ran out of longer legged Stugna-P's. Russians use Lancet loitering munitions to clear out Ukrainian artillery and anti-tank positions, then drive up tanks to shoot stuff up with direct fire.

Either way, it's poor management of resources - if they need more artillery, they should have managed resources into making more of it, which could be done cheaper and better than improvising with old tanks that do it poorly.

From what our military blogosphere indicates, it seems old shit is used to keep the pressure up, while newer stuff is hoarded for an upcoming Russian offensive.
Also it seems Russia has problems making cannon barrels in quantity.

Slovakia sent considerably better upgraded T-55's, not sure how they are doing.

True... but then it wasn't like in Ukraine now, with infantry AT weapons that would be considered premium quality back then now saturating the battlefield so hard that there's enough for every armored vehicle and then some.

Thing is, situation with AT systems is not so good right now. Ukrainians happily shot everything that moved with Javelins and US had to tug the leash to make them stop doing that. But Stugna-P's come in as a tiny trickle due to French factory that made solid fuel for rocket engines mysteriously blowing up, Javelins aren't available in unlimited supply either, and Russians have learned to recon anti-tank positions and keep their distance.


A Bradley will see it, engage it, and move on before the 55 gets a chance to react.
We saw what happens when even 72s went up against Bradley's in DS.
It didn't end well for them, even against just the bushmaster

Depending on distance. I have not seen any TOW videos from Ukraine, and unlike Iraq Ukraine has a lot of woodlands, there's plenty of combat videos in urban / patches of clearings in forrests at ranges crews could literally throw stones at each other, and while there are some areas that allow 5km range shots, the average is very much the opposite.

I don't recall details right now for Ukraine, but Poland is pretty similar in most ways and the average tank on tank visibility distance (that is, distance at which a tank-sized object is visible to another tank-sized object given the height of observation systems being mounted on one) is under 800 meters for all the parts that are not lakes or mountains.

Why? A shit biscuit upgraded is still a shit biscuit.
When the fact that any if the modern stuff given to Ukraine is so new it would make a 55 hitting it damn near impossible if someone is actively paying attention.

I don't need armor to defeat your armored advance.
When I can have Billy Bob and Joe carry man portable anti tank weaponry able to take out any and all armor you have, and they can be in places you will never see

Check my reply above.
 
Depending on distance. I have not seen any TOW videos from Ukraine, and unlike Iraq Ukraine has a lot of woodlands, there's plenty of combat videos in urban / patches of clearings in forrests at ranges crews could literally throw stones at each other, and while there are some areas that allow 5km range shots, the average is very much the opposite.
There is plenty of TOW II footage, I just have to find it again.
Youtuber Ryan McBeth who was a TOW operator for 20 years in the US Army made a video about jt.
I don't recall details right now for Ukraine, but Poland is pretty similar in most ways and the average tank on tank visibility distance (that is, distance at which a tank-sized object is visible to another tank-sized object given the height of observation systems being mounted on one) is under 800 meters for all the parts that are not lakes or mountains.
Depends on the tanks.
Check my reply above.
 
In principle I agree. But a T-55 still beats a pickup with an MG on the roof, and there was no shortage of near point blank range shooting, heck I saw a vide of Ukr BTR sneaking up on Russian tank and shooting up it's rear with 30mm from, like, 20 meters.



Videos of Bradleys launching TOWs are... I don't recall ever seeing any. Lots and lots of Javelin / NLAW ones, but no TOWs that I've seen.
Not all may have launchers and nothing short of a MBT is really worth a TOW when there's a 25 available.

Whether a T-55 beats a pickup can be an interesting question. Training, organization, and circumstances can mean a lot, if they arrange wrong you can have Toyota War, when ATGM armed pickup trucks BTFO's T-55 based armored divisions.
Tanks always had a terrible situational awareness problem, a problem mitigating which costs millions of dollars in crew training and high tech sensors per single tank.
People have inherently much better situational awareness in a pickup truck than for a bad case like T-55 with conscript crew, and if they have something to get a first shot with...
It's actually quite common for Russian tanks to shoot up Ukrainian fortified positions with direct fire from tanks from outside Javelin range. NLAW has even less range, and Ukraine seems to have ran out of longer legged Stugna-P's. Russians use Lancet loitering munitions to clear out Ukrainian artillery and anti-tank positions, then drive up tanks to shoot stuff up with direct fire.
But... they didn't? They also have TOWs, even middle eastern militias get those now. Yeah, they do drive up tanks to shoot stuff up regardless, but those massive armored vehicle losses are the other side of the coin saying how great of an idea that is.
Russians are still taking massive losses in armor, recently there was a huge one day loss, 54:
From what our military blogosphere indicates, it seems old shit is used to keep the pressure up, while newer stuff is hoarded for an upcoming Russian offensive.
Also it seems Russia has problems making cannon barrels in quantity.
Yeah, we have had talk of Russia hoarding good stuff since ages...
Probably their own industry lies to them and prays those hoarded vehicles aren't sent into combat if they exist at all before the directors get out of Russia. Barrels, ammo, they have a lot of issues with production, and it's only getting worse.
Thing is, situation with AT systems is not so good right now. Ukrainians happily shot everything that moved with Javelins and US had to tug the leash to make them stop doing that. But Stugna-P's come in as a tiny trickle due to French factory that made solid fuel for rocket engines mysteriously blowing up, Javelins aren't available in unlimited supply either, and Russians have learned to recon anti-tank positions and keep their distance.
Yeah, they use distance well, but that works both ways, and those crappy tank guns they use have rather disappointing accuracy at distances challenging to ATGMs. Again, TOWs are also on the line and there's enough for anyone apparently.
It may be that Ukrainians are more wary about leaking OPSEC info about tank hunting tactics and locations as war got more positional and tactics get more examined by other side.

You can find some images and videos if you look:

 
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