Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

Poe said:
Only in terms of numbers compared to places like France. In terms of training and equipment they were always top notch.
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No I wouldn't say that, now make no mistake they weren't a 3rd rate power like African kingdoms before being colonized. But the quality of the French matched or was better than the British. Also in terms of quality the Prussians were better than the English.

Jormungandr said:
Pretty much.

You have no idea how much pure anger is simmering beneath the surface of the native population (who hasn't drunk the kool-aid) against the government, the police, and migrants (and migrant families, like "British-Pakistanis").

People are literally choosing between paying outrageous rent prices to have a roof over their heads (even a studio apartment not out of place as a Japanese micro-apartment), horrific heating bills to stay warm (while energy companies are reaping billions in profits, with the government getting constant kick-backs), or to just eat basic foodstuffs.

And then we have the police being, well, the police. 'nuff said there.

We're basically a powder keg, and those morons staffing Number 10, the Commons, and the Lords can't see it because they're too far up their own outright corrupt arseholes. It's also hilarious they're trying to smokescreen by blaming Brexit and the Ukrainian-Russian war (especially the latter for the price of food -- the price of fucking potatoes has nothing to do with Ukraine!).

People don't regret Brexit: What we "regret" is how badly is was bungled by our government; a government that still had their collective feet half in the door because they didn't want to leave the EU, and it fucked us all over.

And this isn't going into how people are now becoming more racist and anti-Groomers United and such because of the blatant propaganda going on in media (e.g. the BBC). People can't even take their minds off shit because the entertainment industry is just as compromised.

So, yeah. Things are going to get ugly.
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A few things first off no leaving the EU was always going to screw you over. Why would the rest of Europe give you sweetheart deals? You aren't some great prize that they want to appease. You have a decent economy but there are bigger and better ones. So no once leaving the EU you would have lost a lot of bennefits.

Second be careful with that racism. Because the other western powers will step in to help our allies the government of the United Kingdom and send soldiers to put down and kill any racist neo nazi like group that tries to overthrow the government and kill or kick out minorities and non white Britons.
AnimalNoodles said:
If you dont make anything, then eventually you'll run out of money to buy things.
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It depends. Finances are more complicated.
 
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Blasterbot said:
And you ignored the lack of holding ground. the devestation inflicted by such tactics. and the simmering hatred of the people you are trying to rule over especially after you collateral their families. but if the politicians are stupid enough to enact such a war on their countries it would be the end of the west. Civil war is never pretty and that would result in some very fucked up reprisals.
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I'm sorry, we must have been discussing different situations for the Brit Army, because I was never talking about a domestic conflict, only how conventional ground forces will be forced to adapt to the new drone filled battlefield and that teh UK MoD has functional laser weapons that can knock out drones for cheap.
 
Agent23 said:
It is the 6th country by GDP right now!

Also, you do realize that the British losses during WWII were a drop in the bucket compared to those of other countries, right?
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Depends on what "losses" we're talking about. Losses in the sense of casualties - people killed in the war? Yes, some other countries lost a whole lot more people, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of their population.
But I think the other poster was talking more about money spent, and resources used, and the opportunity cost of what else all that money and man-hours could have been invested in.
 
Bacle said:
I'm sorry, we must have been discussing different situations for the Brit Army, because I was never talking about a domestic conflict, only how conventional ground forces will be forced to adapt to the new drone filled battlefield and that teh UK MoD has functional laser weapons that can knock out drones for cheap.
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Well, that does require line-of-sight. Might be a bit impractical in some environments.
 
Scottty said:
Depends on what "losses" we're talking about. Losses in the sense of casualties - people killed in the war? Yes, some other countries lost a whole lot more people, both in absolute terms and as a percentage of their population.
But I think the other poster was talking more about money spent, and resources used, and the opportunity cost of what else all that money and man-hours could have been invested in.
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AA has started a series on how Churchill basically fucked over the British Empire and gave it over to the USA.
 
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Scottty said:
Well, that does require line-of-sight. Might be a bit impractical in some environments.
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Line of sight is an issue, but less of one when you are talking about it being a replacement for CWIS and similar systems for point defense.

It won't replace a Patriot or NASAM battery for things like knocking out larger planes over the horizon, but it does make saturating the point-defense set-up of UK bases is that much harder, and gives a cheaper way to handle FPV and similar drones instead of lobbing MANPADs or more expensive missiles at it, and without the ammo limitations of gun-based SHORAD.
 
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S'task said:
but instead in the period immediately after the war England all but went full communist, and no, I'm not kidding. They nationalized industry after industry, engaged in MASSIVE overregulation of their economy (this is where the "you got a license for that?" culture began) and instead of realizing they needed to be strong on their own, grew complacent under America's defensive umbrella.
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Ah yes. The work of Britain's "greatest Prime Minister" Clement Attlee. For those who don't know, he effectively created Modern Britain after 1945, right down to the wreckage that is our planning system that has crippled house construction in this country.

He was an honourable man who sought to ennoble the citizenry, but he was also a socialist and therefore operating off broken foundations. People voted for him and accepted the resulting vision of "New Jerusalem" because they had adjusted to a much farther reaching state after the world wars and thought if they could all pull together under such a state that any problem could be surmounted.

Alas, as it turned out, fighting a total war and running a country are two very different things. Conflation of those things has proved catastrophic for the entire western world.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
Ah yes. The work of Britain's "greatest Prime Minister" Clement Attlee. For those who don't know, he effectively created Modern Britain after 1945, right down to the wreckage that is our planning system that has crippled house construction in this country.

He was an honourable man who sought to ennoble the citizenry, but he was also a socialist and therefore operating off broken foundations. People voted for him and accepted the resulting vision of "New Jerusalem" because they had adjusted to a much farther reaching state after the world wars and thought if they could all pull together under such a state that any problem could be surmounted.

Alas, as it turned out, fighting a total war and running a country are two very different things. Conflation of those things has proved catastrophic for the entire western world.
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And you also have that incompetent drunk before him, too. :)

AA did a nice video on how Churchill fucked the UK over and lost the empire to Murikah.
 
Jormungandr said:
Pretty much.

You have no idea how much pure anger is simmering beneath the surface of the native population (who hasn't drunk the kool-aid) against the government, the police, and migrants (and migrant families, like "British-Pakistanis").

People are literally choosing between paying outrageous rent prices to have a roof over their heads (even a studio apartment not out of place as a Japanese micro-apartment), horrific heating bills to stay warm (while energy companies are reaping billions in profits, with the government getting constant kick-backs), or to just eat basic foodstuffs.

And then we have the police being, well, the police. 'nuff said there.

We're basically a powder keg, and those morons staffing Number 10, the Commons, and the Lords can't see it because they're too far up their own outright corrupt arseholes. It's also hilarious they're trying to smokescreen by blaming Brexit and the Ukrainian-Russian war (especially the latter for the price of food -- the price of fucking potatoes has nothing to do with Ukraine!).

People don't regret Brexit: What we "regret" is how badly is was bungled by our government; a government that still had their collective feet half in the door because they didn't want to leave the EU, and it fucked us all over.

And this isn't going into how people are now becoming more racist and anti-Groomers United and such because of the blatant propaganda going on in media (e.g. the BBC). People can't even take their minds off shit because the entertainment industry is just as compromised.

So, yeah. Things are going to get ugly.
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you and pretty much every country on the planet is a powder keg.

Things are very unstable all over.
 
As to the little conversation regarding the British navy, well, here is some anecdotal information regarding it's organizational development:



Still the best version of this song despite the disgusting injection of then current affairs crap related to the land that does not exist because it would have fallen off from the Earth's flat surface.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
Academic Agent thinks we should have done a deal with Hitler and mixes with a crowd who think the Fuhrer wasn’t so bad.

His opinion on the matter can be safely dismissed. He’s let his bitterness get the better of him for far too long.
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He does not think that Hitler wasn't evil, he thinks that Stalin was worse and that the west should have left the two rabid dogs gnaw each other to death.

Like many on the right in America though at the time, including Ayn Rand.

Furthermore, as he pointed out in his latest video, one of the reasons why Chamberlain sought appeasement was because of the military spending cuts voted by, among other people Churchill himself.
 
During the Cold War, the Soviets (and also to some extent the Red Chinese) put a good deal of effort into undermining and destroying the colonial empires of the Western powers.

This lead to much of Africa being a corrupt mess, with various artificial construct "countries" gaining an "independence" that they simply were not ready for, and worse, trying to run their new states on Communist ideology.

The USA is not innocent there as well, as many in positions of influence there regarded the destruction of those empires as a good thing.
 
Scottty said:
During the Cold War, the Soviets (and also to some extent the Red Chinese) put a good deal of effort into undermining and destroying the colonial empires of the Western powers.

This lead to much of Africa being a corrupt mess, with various artificial construct "countries" gaining an "independence" that they simply were not ready for, and worse, trying to run their new states on Communist ideology.

The USA is not innocent there as well, as many in positions of influence there regarded the destruction of those empires as a good thing.
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And FDR and his buddies were happy to bend over and spread em for Stalin while charging their allies for everything ana undermining said colonial empires.

Although in India's case, well it is India, it does not have much in the way of resources aside for hordes of uneducated and insolent peasants.

So, that one was something the British might have wanted to get rid of.
 
Zachowon said:
Hitler was going to go after the western nations no matter what
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Unlikely, he was a revanchist and irredentist and he had a hate boner for Slavs and wanted to take over what was today's Russia and Belarus and Ukraine, but in that regard he was not much different from many Krauts over the centuries.

Thing is, he did not have the resources to do it.

What was happening prior to WWII was that both the Soviets and the Western powers ensted to unmuzzled the Kraut bulldog and sick it on their enemies.

Without the invasion of the USSR Stalin probably would have tried to take more of eastern Europe according to some historians.

If the French and the British had not declared war on Germany and thus made it focus on them it would have gone after the USSR.

The USSR had much more resources than the Germans and would have fought them to a standstill like in OTL but with much more casualties.

Ultimately, both sides would have crippled each other, making Europe safer from their idiocy.

Then, when the rabbid mutts had tired of their fight would have been the moment to hit them, preferably both, preferably with H-bombs.
 
Agent23 said:
Unlikely, he was a revanchist and irredentist and he had a hate boner for Slavs and wanted to take over what was today's Russia and Belarus and Ukraine, but in that regard he was not much different from many Krauts over the centuries.

Thing is, he did not have the resources to do it.

What was happening prior to WWII was that both the Soviets and the Western powers ensted to unmuzzled the Kraut bulldog and sick it on their enemies.

Without the invasion of the USSR Stalin probably would have tried to take more of eastern Europe according to some historians.

If the French and the British had not declared war on Germany and thus made it focus on them it would have gone after the USSR.

The USSR had much more resources than the Germans and would have fought them to a standstill like in OTL but with much more casualties.

Ultimately, both sides would have crippled each other, making Europe safer from their idiocy.

Then, when the rabbid mutts had tired of their fight would have been the moment to hit them, preferably both, preferably with H-bombs.
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The original Red Alert (barring all the sci-fi shit) premise was surprisingly realistic: Without Nazi Germany to act as a counterbalance, the Soviets launched an invasion of Europe to spread the Revolution and its borders. The backstory also has them "colonizing most of Eastern Europe without firing a single shot" because of that timeline's version of Appeasement... which, ya know, worked out just as well as it did with Nazi Germany in ours. smh

Hitler also wanted France and other "Germanic" territories under its belt, so France, the Low Countries, even eventually Switzerland were on his radar eventually, as was Sweden, Norway, and Iceland.

Amusingly enough, he counted the UK in this too, but instead of wanting to try to invade and occupy us like the others, he wanted us as basically Germany's number one partner/ally/seaborn component of Germany where we'd control the globe's seas and oceans via a maritime empire. When we basically shat on that idea, he genuinely couldn't understand why, so he fell back on the old excuse of "the British Government being infiltrated and manipulated by the Evil Jews" to explain it all away.
 
Scottty said:
During the Cold War, the Soviets (and also to some extent the Red Chinese) put a good deal of effort into undermining and destroying the colonial empires of the Western powers.

This lead to much of Africa being a corrupt mess, with various artificial construct "countries" gaining an "independence" that they simply were not ready for, and worse, trying to run their new states on Communist ideology.

The USA is not innocent there as well, as many in positions of influence there regarded the destruction of those empires as a good thing.
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The US isn't just "not innocent," it's just as guilty of this as the USSR is. The US was not an ally to the post-war Europeans it was a conqueror who roped them into its empire and bankrupted them supplying their colonies with weapons to fight them.
 
Agent23 said:
Unlikely, he was a revanchist and irredentist and he had a hate boner for Slavs and wanted to take over what was today's Russia and Belarus and Ukraine, but in that regard he was not much different from many Krauts over the centuries.

Thing is, he did not have the resources to do it.

What was happening prior to WWII was that both the Soviets and the Western powers ensted to unmuzzled the Kraut bulldog and sick it on their enemies.

Without the invasion of the USSR Stalin probably would have tried to take more of eastern Europe according to some historians.

If the French and the British had not declared war on Germany and thus made it focus on them it would have gone after the USSR.

The USSR had much more resources than the Germans and would have fought them to a standstill like in OTL but with much more casualties.

Ultimately, both sides would have crippled each other, making Europe safer from their idiocy.

Then, when the rabbid mutts had tired of their fight would have been the moment to hit them, preferably both, preferably with H-bombs.
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He was always going to go after all of Europe....
Yes he hated slavs but he hated jews more and more of them were in the west then in the east.

The USSR were hoping he wouldn't have invaded them do to the fact they were not ready for such a war so soon and were hoping the west would take all of the tension even before the invasion if Poland.
Remember the deal between russi and Germany?
 
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