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[DarthOne]

He was always going to go after all of Europe....
Yes he hated slavs but he hated jews more and more of them were in the west then in the east.

The USSR were hoping he wouldn't have invaded them do to the fact they were not ready for such a war so soon and were hoping the west would take all of the tension even before the invasion if Poland.
Remember the deal between russi and Germany?

Hitler was always going to go after the Soviets. Both because Lebensraum and because of socialist in-fighting.

 

[Agent23]

He was always going to go after all of Europe....

Citation needed.

Yes he hated slavs but he hated jews more and more of them were in the west then in the east.

I mean, TIK history has a bunch of videos on his relationship with jews, he even called the doctor who tried to save the life of his mother a "noble jew" and bemoaned that there weren't more like him, and looking at what the views of jews were globally back then, he was not that far from what the then norm was, and even then, the initial plan was to push jews out back to Israel or Madagascar, the genocide as we saw it was basically a "last minute" thing since their other plans to kick out the jews could not happen.
I mean, just look at the writings of Henry Ford about jews.

Or the various pogroms in the Russian Empire.

Or the invention and spread of the protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Or the Dreifuss affair.

Or what the views of the ideological forefathers of your beloved banderites and what they did to jews.

FFS, the Ustasha was so brutal against Jews IIRC the frigging SS was disgusted and wanted to take them out.

So, yeah, Churchill not being a retard might have prevented the Holocaust.
And British objections about Jewish migration to Mandate Palestine not being there would have meant Israel appearing earlier.

The USSR were hoping he wouldn't have invaded them do to the fact they were not ready for such a war so soon and were hoping the west would take all of the tension even before the invasion if Poland.
Remember the deal between russi and Germany?

Even setting aside Hitler's hatred of Slavs and drang nach osten ambitions Poland in its then state had sizable minorities of Germans and territories that were a central part of the German national myth, like Konigsberg/Kaliningrad/Kralowatz or however the Poles called it and the Danzig corridor would have been a massive apple of discord between Germany and Poland.

And a major reason why Hitler came to power was the revanchism post-WWI and the outright hypocrisy and stupidity of the winners in that war.


His main problem with the Frenches, for example, came from WWI and he literally had them sign their surrender in the same rail wagon where the German surrender was signed ~20 years before, and the Germans remarked that "WWI has finally ended".


Whatever came into power in Germany, social-democrat, commie, conservative, one of the myriad other fringe rightwing orgs made up of revanchist former soldiers, it would have been angry about the outcome of WWI and pissed with the Poles.

 

[Vyor]

Consider: he wanted pre-WW1 borders back.

Consider: His people wanted revenge on france.

Consider: his plan to take over france predates the wars.

 

[Agent23]

Consider: he wanted pre-WW1 borders back.

Consider: His people wanted revenge on france.

Consider: his plan to take over france predates the wars.

Consider, the French were trying to fuck with zhe Germans as revanchism for the Franco-Prussian war.

Consider, they were also bribing people all over the place, including imperial Russia to fuck with Germany.

Consider, haring France was not something new for a country that got fucked royally during the 30 years war.
And the French revolutionary/Napoleonic wars.

Consider, that there is such a thing as history, that the reasons why people fight and hate each other are more complex than the crap on Trek or Wars.

Consider, reading a book once in a while!

 

[Zachowon]

Consider, the French were trying to fuck with zhe Germans as revanchism for the Franco-Prussian war.

Consider, they were also bribing people all over the place, including imperial Russia to fuck with Germany.

Consider, haring France was not something new for a country that got fucked royally during the 30 years war.
And the French revolutionary/Napoleonic wars.

Consider, that there is such a thing as history, that the reasons why people fight and hate each other are more complex than the crap on Trek or Wars.

Consider, reading a book once in a while!

I mean...yes, that si what he is getting at. Hitler was going to go to war with the west no matter what because of, for instance situations like Alsace-lorraine, the punishment for the first world war. The debt the west put Germany in....

 

[Agent23]

I mean...yes, that si what he is getting at. Hitler was going to go to war with the west no matter what because of, for instance situations like Alsace-lorraine, the punishment for the first world war. The debt the west put Germany in....

Zach, when you guys went into Afghanistan, was it because you wanted to take it over and annex it, or because you had a specific set of objectives like taking out OBL and the Taliban?

Same goes for Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, 2 times, Kuwait, Korea, Japan, need I fo on.

Warfare is an extension of politics, diplomacy, and sometimes economics by other means.

It does not have to be a total war, it might not require occupation, or reparations.

Revanchism for example can be satisfied by forcing your enemy to sign the same type of humiliating peace treaty you were forced to sign, to cede some territories that were originally yours, to have his army destroyed and humiliated and his economy and ability to project power degraded.

 

[Vyor]

Japan

Yes, we did in fact go to war with Japan to more or less take it over. Same with Korea.

 

[Jormungandr]

Yes, we did in fact go to war with Japan to more or less take it over. Same with Korea.

Pretty much.

America's little world-building escapades actually worked in those two countries.

 

[Agent23]

Pretty much.

America's little world-building escapades actually worked in those two countries.

The USA did not run them forever, though. And McArthur was basically kicked out and all the old Zaibatsu people and political brokers were pet free.

So, yeah, the USA did not (re)build Germany, Japan or Korea, their populations did because they already had a strong cohesive national identity, decent education and good work ethic.

Of course, selling ammo to the USA and getting money from GIs stationed there didn't hurt.

 

[Jormungandr]

The USA did not run them forever, though. And McArthur was basically kicked out and all the old Zaibatsu people and political brokers were pet free.

So, yeah, the USA did not (re)build Germany, Japan or Korea, their populations did because they already had a strong cohesive national identity, decent education and good work ethic.

Of course, selling ammo to the USA and getting money from GIs stationed there didn't hurt.

They didn't run them forever, no, but they were the architects that basically came in, rebuilt the rubbled house with the owners' help, told them how to run said new house so it didn't quickly collapse or fall into ruin, and then fucked off to do other things while being neighbours. shrug

 

[Vyor]

The USA did not run them forever, though.

So, where's the Japanese Army and Navy? Air Force?

 

[King Arts]

And FDR and his buddies were happy to bend over and spread em for Stalin while charging their allies for everything ana undermining said colonial empires.

Although in India's case, well it is India, it does not have much in the way of resources aside for hordes of uneducated and insolent peasants.

So, that one was something the British might have wanted to get rid of.

Much of what you say is correct though you are wrong about India. It did have resources and wealth that's why it was called the Jewel of the British Empire. They really wanted to hold onto it. Otherwise they would have never taken it in the first place, or would have just left in the 1800's when some rebellions happened.

 

[Agent23]

So, where's the Japanese Army and Navy? Air Force?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/military-spending-defense-budget

it is the 6th by military spending and they actually have a bunch of dual use developments, like their space program.

 

[Jormungandr]

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/military-spending-defense-budget

it is the 6th by military spending and they actually have a bunch of dual use developments, like their space program.

Japanese efficiency at its finest.

 

[Zachowon]

Zach, when you guys went into Afghanistan, was it because you wanted to take it over and annex it, or because you had a specific set of objectives like taking out OBL and the Taliban?

Same goes for Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, 2 times, Kuwait, Korea, Japan, need I fo on.

Warfare is an extension of politics, diplomacy, and sometimes economics by other means.

It does not have to be a total war, it might not require occupation, or reparations.

Revanchism for example can be satisfied by forcing your enemy to sign the same type of humiliating peace treaty you were forced to sign, to cede some territories that were originally yours, to have his army destroyed and humiliated and his economy and ability to project power degraded.

Japan, Germany, Korea have all been because we wanted to take them over.
Philippines we annexed after the Spanish American War, Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Puerto Rico, Cuba before the revolution. Alaska was invaded at one point and we captured jt back. The part taken

They didn't run them forever, no, but they were the architects that basically came in, rebuilt the rubbled house with the owners' help, told them how to run said new house so it didn't quickly collapse or fall into ruin, and then fucked off to do other things while being neighbours. shrug

Most of Okinawa is owned by the US government.
The largest army base the US has is in Korea.
We have one if the largest air bases outside of the continental US in Germany.

We may soon have the largest base anyone has in the Philippines if they bring back the bay there for us to use.

 

[Vyor]

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/military-spending-defense-budget

it is the 6th by military spending and they actually have a bunch of dual use developments, like their space program.

That was actually a trick question: they are not allowed to have a military by their own constitution, a clause that the US government wrote for them. The USA takes over all land defense duties.

Japan is a protectorate and vassal state in all but name.

 

[DarthOne]

That was actually a trick question: they are not allowed to have a military by their own constitution, a clause that the US government wrote for them. The USA takes over all land defense duties.

Japan is a protectorate and vassal state in all but name.

And the Japanese have no reason to change that because of US global power projection. When that changes? Japan is going to have to change.

 

[Agent23]

That was actually a trick question: they are not allowed to have a military by their own constitution, a clause that the US government wrote for them. The USA takes over all land defense duties.

Japan is a protectorate and vassal state in all but name.

They could have reformed their constitution a dozen times since the USA saddled them with the anti-militarism clause.

Here is the thing, though, they don't want to and with good reason.

Curse on This Country: The Rebellious Army of Imperial Japan here, read a book.

A lot of their history is also covered in Pacific Crucible: War at Sea in the Pacific, 1941-1942

The TL;DR is that the navy and the army constantly quarreled, assassinated politicians, schemed, lied and caused various "incidents" and provocations of their own volition.

Things like the Mukden incident and league of blood incident and the assassination of prime Minister Inukai Tsuyosh to name just a few.

Oh, and let us not forget a little thing called the Rape of Nankin, where the friggin NDSAP card carrying consul of Germany proved to be more humane than the Japanese Army.

Good job pointing out a pointless factoid btw, and japan still has a "military" aka their defense forces, that can probably turn most other militaries on the planet into mince meat.
Their frigging destroyers are Areligh Burk class cruisers upscaled by 20%, the can build ICBMs, they can build 5gen fighter aircraft and they have a sizable military industrial complex.Oh and fast nuclear breakout capability.

So, yeah, Japan is pretty powerful militarily.

 

[Vyor]

that can probably turn most other militaries on the planet into mince meat.

They really can't, but you do you, tankie.

 

[Agent23]

They really can't, but you do you, tankie.

Nice ad hominem, go read a frigging book once in a while, as I told you already.
I have certainly provided enough literature that will improve your mind beyond a few pop-history factoids and newsbytes.

Is it 2 or 3 times I have slapped down your joke counter-arguments in this discussion, btw, I don't recall rn?