Confederate Flags banned in the Military

The Confederacy is not something to be glorified, honored, or given dignity.

Also, had DC gone full Marshal Plan on the former Confederate areas, instead of pussing out and letting Jim Crow become a thing, modern America would have far less racial division left over from slavery and Jim Crow.

As well, since when have I had an issue with removing Confederate monuments; I do not support disinterment, but from what I can tell there are no actual remains in the statue/monument in question.
So people who die for something they had no part in cuaaing, and are doing it for a variety of reasons.
While the people forcing them were bad people...


So you would have rather had military occupation of the south to a degree that would have most likely led to riots and protests, worse then we had, and potentially another shooting war?
Add in that Dem presidents never helped and only made things worse.

Removing any monuments leads to more for what ever reasons.
History is full of horrible shit.
Soldiers that fight should still get respect.
Unless they themselves committed atrocities.

17 year old German soldier in 45? Did they themselves gas jews?

What about the 45 year old Mazi Prison camp director....

Should they be treated the same?
 
So people who die for something they had no part in cuaaing, and are doing it for a variety of reasons.
While the people forcing them were bad people...
There were Union Volunteer units from Southern states, who remained loyal to the Union, and Union loyalists who stayed in the South behind the lines.

The South has Civil War Hero's, but they didn't take orders from the Confederacy.

People had options not to fight for the Confederates, and not everyone from the south chose to fight for slavery.

Those who chose to fight for the Confederacy, instead of opposing it either by acting behind the lines, or fleeing to join volunteer units in the North, choose the wrong side and their legacy will not be one of honor or dignity because of what happened during, and after, the war.

The Post-Civil War context does not disappear just because you want to treat the 'war dead' with 'soldiers honor', and the legacy of the KKK/Daughters of the Confederacy is not one to be ignored just because it hurts the 'honor among soldiers' image some want to cling to.

So you would have rather had military occupation of the south to a degree that would have most likely led to riots and protests, worse then we had, and potentially another shooting war?
Add in that Dem presidents never helped and only made things worse.
I think if Lincoln's VP and successors had not been so afraid of the likes of the KKK and friends, it would have been a few years/decade of unrest before the forces from the Western States were moved in to finish the job, with any diehards ending up at the end of Custer's Cav regiments, since I doubt he would have been sent to fight the Indians if Confederate holdouts were causing trouble.

Edit: A President Custer could have been a real possibility if Reconstruction had kept going and he hadn't been sent to fight the Indians.

The KKK and friends power however has waned so much that the Lost Cause mythology no longer has any friends in power thanks to people like MLK, and this is the results manifesting decades after they should have already happened.
Removing any monuments leads to more for what ever reasons.
History is full of horrible shit.
Soldiers that fight should still get respect.
Unless they themselves committed atrocities.
Soldiers do not get respect if the cause they fight for is horrible enough, and they resort to terrorism against their former slaves after the war, while pushing Jim Crow laws to try to create 'legal slavery' in all but name.
17 year old German soldier in 45? Did they themselves gas jews?

What about the 45 year old Mazi Prison camp director....

Should they be treated the same?
A 17 yo in Germany had even less chance to surrender or flee than people in the South did, as desertion was pretty easy during the ACW so fleeing north to join Union forces was way more feasible than surrendering with SS goons to your back.
 
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Cool, so how long until we tear up headstones and dig up graves? :rolleyes:

In some cases were actually already there.

Were just waiting for the tipping point where the grill bois and soccer moms finally have enough of this shit and start giving a fuck.
 
In some cases were actually already there.

Were just waiting for the tipping point where the grill bois and soccer moms finally have enough of this shit and start giving a fuck.
Which I argue is basically like waiting for hell to freeze over and that we need to stop hanging so much hope on them.

Edit: that doesn’t mean we give up. Just that we should be less welded to the idea of needing the normies.
 
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Another fun fact... Moses Ezekial, an Ashkenazi Jew, was the one who designed the soon to be removed memorial. He was attending the Virginia Military Institute (the first Jewish student at that institution) at the time of the outbreak of the Civil War and was like sixteen years old when he and 250 other cadets were unfortunately pressed into service during a Union invasion of the nearby Shenandoah Valley and was wounded in action there. After the war he founded Hebrew Schools and classes, became a famous sculptor, war correspondent and internationally recognized for both.

Also.. uhhh... as a personal aside, he fathered a daughter with his biracial maid when he was like... fourteen years old. They apparently lived together off and for some time after that with her often visiting Italy. Alice meanwhile married an African-American named Daniel Williams who worked as a Surgeon for the Freedmans Bureau, and later founded the first non-segregated hospital in the United States and the first nursing school for American Blacks. ❤️



LoL and? What durr Wikipedia sez? This is the standard for schooling nowadays. ☝️
Wait a minute I say Thomas Jefferson is not bad for doing the same thing and you bitch out, yet here you are liking this Moses guy who fucked his basically slave. Wtf?
 
Wait a minute I say Thomas Jefferson is not bad for doing the same thing and you bitch out, yet here you are liking this Moses guy who fucked his basically slave. Wtf?

LOL. I was wondering if you'd show up when I posted that. Unfortunately I'm only obligated to defend what I say and endorse, not what you think I've said and endorsed.

Im sorry if your cause of consternation is that I've always been generally disapproving of slave fucking and child fucking. Nothing I've said has countered that I feel. Kind of weird you read into that.

Have a great day. ❤️
 
LOL. I was wondering if you'd show up when I posted that. Unfortunately I'm only obligated to defend what I say and endorse, not what you think I've said and endorsed.

Im sorry if your cause of consternation is that I've always been generally disapproving of slave fucking and child fucking. Nothing I've said has countered that I feel. Kind of weird you read into that.

Have a great day. ❤️
Maybe you should be more clear with what you mean.
 
So worth nothing, or you should pay me for reading it?

Oh the latter probably. And as we all know what "should" happen rarely does happen. :(

Plus there are other less obvious and more subtle forms of payment and compensation out there besides financial.
 

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