Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

Marduk said:
Yes, everyone knows you do the shitting up you do on the forum shamelessly, as you have openly admitted before.
Errors?
So, what's the definition of air superiority?
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But I didn't do that, I proved you lied. Not sure what air superiority has to do with whether or not Mediazona is confident in their estimates of Russian casualties; perhaps you're so upset you forgot what the topic is?

Marduk said:
No, that's not something i brought up, that's something you did, while shitting up the place before.
Care to explain to everyone present why were you banned?
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I wasn't for that, however. Again, you seem very confused as to what conversation you're even referencing.
Marduk said:
You will see. In time.

You proved that you are a malicious actor who twists words and ignores inconvenient evidence, all in process of accusing other people of being wrong or lying, for your anti-western agenda pushing sake.
You proved yourself a lowly creature, that's the only thing you are ever capable of proving, so don't even bother.
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Yes, we proved your guilty of that here.

As I said before, however, I enjoy correcting you of your errors; there is no shame in helping you to gain a better understanding of the world, that's what well informed, fact based debate is for and it's why I'm happy to engage you in it.
 
History Learner said:
But I didn't do that, I proved you lied. Not sure what air superiority has to do with whether or not Mediazona is confident in their estimates of Russian casualties; perhaps you're so upset you forgot what the topic is?
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Mediazona's self confidence is not the topic of the thread, for the record, and i have stated repeteadly that i don't consider their self confidence a valid argument for anything.
History Learner said:
I wasn't for that, however. Again, you seem very confused as to what conversation you're even referencing.


Yes, we proved your guilty of that here.
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Yeah, stop derailing, the thread is not about your attempts to play internet psychoanalysis.
History Learner said:
As I said before, however, I enjoy correcting you of your errors; there is no shame in helping you to gain a better understanding of the world, that's what well informed, fact based debate is for and it's why I'm happy to engage you in it.
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You are happy to do what you said you do, aka shit up the place for your own entertainment. So correct yourself, lest you want to be corrected again.
 
Marduk said:
Mediazona's self confidence is not the topic of the thread, for the record, and i have stated repeteadly that i don't consider their self confidence a valid argument for anything.
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It was the topic of the conversation you jumped in, however, and it is topical for what the thread is about. If you didn't find it relevant, you are under no obligation to reply in the first place or to continue to do so. Clearly, however, you feel otherwise or you wouldn't continue to re-state your debunked opinion.

Marduk said:
Yeah, stop derailing, the thread is not about your attempts to play internet psychoanalysis.
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Indeed, which is why I find it confusing you keep citing other threads I've posted in which have nothing to do with this topic. Perhaps follow your own advice?

Marduk said:
You are happy to do what you said you do, aka shit up the place for your own entertainment. So correct yourself, lest you want to be corrected again.
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But I've never been corrected by you, because I'm constantly correct in our debates. You should calm down, reflect on what you got wrong in this debate, and then come back later because it's clear you're too upset to engage in further debate.
 
History Learner said:
It was the topic of the conversation you jumped in, however, and it is topical for what the thread is about. If you didn't find it relevant, you are under no obligation to reply in the first place or to continue to do so. Clearly, however, you feel otherwise or you wouldn't continue to re-state your debunked opinion.



Indeed, which is why I find it confusing you keep citing other threads I've posted in which have nothing to do with this topic. Perhaps follow your own advice?
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Your brought up our history before, so did i.
History Learner said:
But I've never been corrected by you, because I'm constantly correct in our debates. You should calm down, reflect on what you got wrong in this debate, and then come back later because it's clear you're too upset to engage in further debate.
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Oh you have been corrected by not just me but also other people, as i have shown.
You haven't seen me upset yet, i'm just disgusted with you.
 
Marduk said:
Your brought up our history before, so did i.
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After you did, however. If we both agree that isn't topical, then let's both drop it?

Marduk said:
Oh you have been corrected by not just me but also other people, as i have shown.
You haven't seen me upset yet, i'm just disgusted with you.
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That's cool, but it has nothing to do with the thread topic. Perhaps you should stop derailing the thread?
 
Bacle said:
Uh huh, sure, you keep chugging that Ru propaganda and polishing Putin's nob.

Though from someone dumb enough to be a WN/WS (and I can get quotes) I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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Well, show me movement.
Show me the victories in this campaign.
Show me anything.


My politics have no bearing on whether or not this offensive has accomplished anything.
 
AnimalNoodles said:
Well, show me movement.
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Go to the War Room thread, and you'll find plenty of info on what Ukraine has accomplished in terms of land gains.

Doing 'bite and hold' to preserve manpower and equipment does not make for flashy victories or advances the western media is used to from covering the US.
AnimalNoodles said:
Show me the victories in this campaign.
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The Russians have lost a landing ship and sub to Storm Shadow strikes, the Black Sea Fleet has effectively abandoned Sevastopol, along with damage to other ships, Ukraine has destroyed several S-400 complexes Russia really cannot easily replace, have been repeatedly hitting the Kerch bridge to interrupt logistics.

Add in losing several generals and command staff units to Storm Shadow strikes has helped too.
AnimalNoodles said:
Show me anything.
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Go to the War Room thread and you will see plenty.
AnimalNoodles said:
My politics have no bearing on whether or not this offensive has accomplished anything.
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The offensive is accomplishing things, slowly, and the lines are moving, while Ukraine undertakes deep strikes against Ru logistics and command target, in order to make it easier to push at the front.

And just to reiterate, it took the Allies 6 months to break out from the Hedgerows in Normandy.
 
AnimalNoodles said:
Well, show me movement.
Show me the victories in this campaign.
Show me anything.


My politics have no bearing on whether or not this offensive has accomplished anything.
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news.yahoo.com

Russians taking people out of Tokmak and have fuel shortage – General Staff

Russian occupiers are "evacuating" their proteges and collaborators, as well as children with teachers and educators, from Tokmak, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, to Russian-occupied Berdiansk. Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, information as of 06:00 on 8 May Quote: "The Russian...
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If Ukraine got nowhere recently, why are Russians deciding to take their administration and institutions out of Tokmak few months ago?
Now other civilians are also following.
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Russians in Tokmak began to panic: families and entire educational institutions are being evacuated

Russians in the temporarily occupied Melitopol district are preparing for a difficult autumn, as they are already evacuating their families and taking out entire educational institutions. Source: Ivan Fedorov, Mayor of Russian-occupied Melitopol, on Telegram Quote from Fedorov: "'There is no...
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It's almost as if they were expecting the place to become a battlezone soon...
 
Marduk said:
news.yahoo.com

Russians taking people out of Tokmak and have fuel shortage – General Staff

Russian occupiers are "evacuating" their proteges and collaborators, as well as children with teachers and educators, from Tokmak, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, to Russian-occupied Berdiansk. Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, information as of 06:00 on 8 May Quote: "The Russian...
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com
If Ukraine got nowhere recently, why are Russians suddenly deciding to take their administration and institutions out of Tokmak?
It's almost as if they were expecting the place to become a battlezone soon...
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Why are you citing an article from May of 2023, not September or October? You know, something actually recent?
 
History Learner said:
You presented an old article, from before the offensive even began, as evidence of an imminent breakthrough in the lines which is what @AnimalNoodles was actually asking for proof of. That's obviously a lie, and the actual situation with a more recent article, shows this clearly:

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Well guess then Russians anticipated where the offensive is going and were not so sure about stopping it, not something i wouldn't anticipate myself without a whole intelligence agency at my back. Then there's the more recent article i posted...
 
Marduk said:
Well guess then Russians anticipated where the offensive is going and were not so sure about stopping it, not something i wouldn't anticipate myself without a whole intelligence agency at my back. Then there's the more recent article i posted...
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That's a cool story, but that still has nothing to do with what he's asking. I see you've added another story since I posted that for obvious reasons, but the end result is still the same; if they claimed it was happening in May, how exactly is it happening now? Maybe, just maybe, the claims of a guy who isn't there are baseless?
 
History Learner said:
That's a cool story, but that still has nothing to do with what he's asking. I see you've added another story since I posted that for obvious reasons, but the end result is still the same; if they claimed it was happening in May, how exactly is it happening now? Maybe, just maybe, the claims of a guy who isn't there are baseless?
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So which one of you is a guy who is there to claim to know better?
 
Bacle said:
Go to the War Room thread, and you'll find plenty of info on what Ukraine has accomplished in terms of land gains.
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They have LOST more land since this campaign began than they have gained. And they have accomplished nothing they set out to accomplish.

Bacle said:
Doing 'bite and hold' to preserve manpower and equipment does not make for flashy victories or advances the western media is used to from covering the US.
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How does launching grinding infantry attacks against fortified positions 'conserve manpower'?

Bacle said:
The Russians have lost a landing ship and sub to Storm Shadow strikes, the Black Sea Fleet has effectively abandoned Sevastopol, along with damage to other ships,
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Equipment losses. none of which impacts the actual operation currently in progress.

Bacle said:
Ukraine has destroyed several S-400 complexes Russia really cannot easily replace, have been repeatedly hitting the Kerch bridge to interrupt logistics.
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Yes, equipment losses. The Kerch bridge still stands, and Russia is building another rail line along the black sea coast.


Bacle said:
Add in losing several generals and command staff units to Storm Shadow strikes has helped too.
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How many senior officers and experienced personal have ukraine lost in this campaign?

Bacle said:
Go to the War Room thread and you will see plenty.
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Carefully curated twitter posts are meaningless. If I had a telegram account I could fill the thread with Russian propaganda as
well.
Bacle said:
The offensive is accomplishing things, slowly, and the lines are moving, while Ukraine undertakes deep strikes against Ru logistics and command target, in order to make it easier to push at the front.

And just to reiterate, it took the Allies 6 months to break out from the Hedgerows in Normandy.
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The allies had complete air superiority, command of the seas, complete logistical dominance, the advantage of 80% of the german army tied up fighting russia and an ever growing force. Ukraine has none of those things.
 
AnimalNoodles said:
They have LOST more land since this campaign began than they have gained. And they have accomplished nothing they set out to accomplish.



How does launching grinding infantry attacks against fortified positions 'conserve manpower'?



Equipment losses. none of which impacts the actual operation currently in progress.



Yes, equipment losses. The Kerch bridge still stands, and Russia is building another rail line along the black sea coast.




How many senior officers and experienced personal have ukraine lost in this campaign?



Carefully curated twitter posts are meaningless. If I had a telegram account I could fill the thread with Russian propaganda as
well.


The allies had complete air superiority, command of the seas, complete logistical dominance, the advantage of 80% of the german army tied up fighting russia and an ever growing force. Ukraine has none of those things.
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Wow, it's just...if you think losing that Kilo, landings ship, and the Black Sea Fleet evacing Sevastopol is nothing but 'equipment losses' that 'won't impact the current situation', you obvious don't understand how important those Kilo's have been to the attacks on Ukraine.
 
Bacle said:
Wow, it's just...if you think losing that Kilo, landings ship, and the Black Sea Fleet evacing Sevastopol is nothing but 'equipment loses' that 'won't impact the current situation', you obvious don't understand how important those Kilo's have been to the attacks on Ukraine.
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Apparently you don't either, since that's entirely false lol:



@AnimalNoodles Has he made a claim yet that I haven't managed to debunk?
 
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