Star Wars The Ahsoka Show

Well 3PO And R2 are in a Egyptian Hierogliph in Raiders of the Lost Ark so............

Easter Eggs are fine. I don't mind those if that's all they remain in cases like that.

If I wanted a crossover with another George Lucas property it would be Red Tails. And it would be Earth people ending up in Star Wars as opposed to vice versa lol.
 
After seeing the full series from beginning to end. I can say I really enjoyed it. It gave us incite into just how much the events of the Clone Wars affected Ahsoka over the years. She had PTSD and it was wearing her down. But with Anakin's heilp she was able to come to peace with her past. Sabine got Ezra back home. But she sacrificed her own chance to get back to aid her Master. That is a real big sacrifice. Baylan (one of my favorite antagonists) is going for something that might lead to a certain creature (The Mother) being brought into canon. Heaven help the Star Wars Galaxy if that is the being he is sensing. Shin Hottie (Yes I am a total simp) seems to be going the bandit warlord route. She craves power and will try to carve a little Thiefdom for herself on the planet. Thrawn is back and headed to Dathomier. As Han would say I have a bad feeling about this. I think an undead army in the millions might be on the table as a new galactic threat. The one question I do have is when will Luke and Ezra meet. Because I so want that to happen. And lastly fuck Senator Xiono that guy needs to have his political career crash and burn.
Heh, if Mother/Abeloth is incoming, this could be fun.

Also, Thrawn with legions of undead soldiers to call on is a very frightening prospect.

However, it does seem like the Noghri are being sidelined/ignored by nu-canon, outside of Ruhk being in Rebels.

Easter Eggs are fine. I don't mind those if that's all they remain in cases like that.

If I wanted a crossover with another George Lucas property it would be Red Tails. And it would be Earth people ending up in Star Wars as opposed to vice versa lol.
My pet theory is they may try some sort of weird cross with Loki and the TVA at some point in the future of SW canon.
 
After seeing the full series from beginning to end. I can say I really enjoyed it. It gave us incite into just how much the events of the Clone Wars affected Ahsoka over the years. She had PTSD and it was wearing her down. But with Anakin's heilp she was able to come to peace with her past. Sabine got Ezra back home. But she sacrificed her own chance to get back to aid her Master. That is a real big sacrifice. Baylan (one of my favorite antagonists) is going for something that might lead to a certain creature (The Mother) being brought into canon. Heaven help the Star Wars Galaxy if that is the being he is sensing. Shin Hottie (Yes I am a total simp) seems to be going the bandit warlord route. She craves power and will try to carve a little Thiefdom for herself on the planet. Thrawn is back and headed to Dathomier. As Han would say I have a bad feeling about this. I think an undead army in the millions might be on the table as a new galactic threat. The one question I do have is when will Luke and Ezra meet. Because I so want that to happen. And lastly fuck Senator Xiono that guy needs to have his political career crash and burn.
Thrawn had been turned into an idiot, this is a fucking mockery, it is low grade capeshit producers pissing on some of the best bits of the old EU.
They also managed to combine it with some of the biggest garbage in the old EU, which is tCoPL and the witches idiocy.

I never gave much of a fuck for Ahsoka as a character and she was canon breaking to begin with.

I watched 1 episode, the one where Thrawn finally makes an appearance, and it was beyond retarded.

But I guess that even a modicum of improvement would feel good to some people who have been force fed shit for overall decade.

Go watch the old Star Wars, go read Heir to the Empire.

Then say again you enjoyed any of the Disney crap excluding Rogue 1 and season 1 of Mando.
 
At the end of the day, having watched it as a whole, this series a regrettably mediocre thing overall. It's not offensively bad or "subversive" like certain Disney-era productions, but it offers no actual greatness, either. It has certain highlights, which I've mentioned in previous comments, but it also has certain obvious flaws (which I've also mentioned).

All those things are just elements, though. Specific bits and pieces which are either good or bad. The big problem is with the greater whole. And the fault there lies in the writing.

If you look at what this series is actually about -- its actual story -- you find that it has about enough actual plot for a single film. I wish it were otherwise! In previous comments, I expressed my hope that they were taking it somewhere. Tha, even though the strech of episodes was about twice as long as it had any right to be, they might still justify at least some of the slow build-up by having a pay-off.

There was no such pay-off. Sure, the basic plot things that we knew would happen did indeed happen. But if you edit this entire season down to a single 2-hour film and treat it as the first one in a hypothetical trilogy... then any unbiased audience member would say: "Boy, this first one was all set-up! I sure hope they actually move things forward in the next one!"

And maybe that's acceptable in a film, if you promise to deliver two more. But after eight episodes, that sort of thing is no longer acceptable. At least not to me.

Just like the first four episodes (should have been two), the last three also dragged, Too much filler. These, too, could have been simply two episodes. Not enough happened to justify three. And in fact, even though they gave themselves more run-time than could be justified with this little plot, the actual finale still had some weird, jumpy editing. It almot seems as if they cut out a few actually important transitions, in order to spend more time on ponderous shots that weren't needed.

These are stupid decisions. The result is... mediocrity. This series isn't bad, but it never becomes good, either. It has its moments, but as a whole, it never becomes much of anything.

If you compare this self-indulgent too-much-filler kind of style to the smart and tight plotting and build-up of Andor, the flaws here become utterly glaring. In its tone, Ahsoka feels more like "real Star Wars". If it were trimmed down, so there was actually a good pace, we might be able to appreciate that. But this series lacks commitment and, ultimately, lacks sufficiently intelligent writing. This is a series that barely shows, and mostly tells... and then gives us "informed attributes", at best. We're told Thrawn is brilliant, but he does nothing truly impressive. We hear Thrawn say that Ahsoka will be tactically gifted in an unexpected way, but a scene later, she... charges at the front door, right underneath the Star Destroyer's guns. (Mind you: guns that can hit starfighters going at ludicrous speeds! Ahsoka makes it through on the back of her not-horse, which is obviously orders of magnitude slower than a starfighter, because... uh... plot armour. So she's an idiot who got lucky, and not in any way tactically gifted. And Thrawn is an idiot, too, because he failed to kill her despite her utterly retarded approach.)

We are told characters are smart, but we are shown only that they're kind of dumb. I suspect that, while he can write kid's cartoons with the best of them, Filoni is incapable of writing a character who is a tactical genius, because Filoni himself isn't capable of even emulating tactical brilliance.

If I compare this season to Heir to the Empire, the original story did everything better. It had a tighter plot, it was smarter, it was far better structured, it had an actual ending to its internal arc rather than just being all set-up, and it developed its original characters so that you fully grasped their motivations by the end of the book (and often within a chapter of meeting them).

Which leads me to conclude that this new attempt at that same general kind of story... is just a watered-down imitation. And it could have been a fun "alternative". I didn't set out to dislike this. I wanted it to be good! But it's not. It's mediocre. It has good elements, but not enough of them. Enough not to be bad, but not enough to be good. It could have been far more than it actually ended up being. You can see the good ideas and the great moments that truly work, but those down't manage to compensate for the shortcomings of the series.

This is better than Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Book of Boba Fett and season 3 of The Mandalorian. But the first two seasons of The Mandalorian are better than this, and Andor is far better than this. This is kind of in the same "flawed but not bad" category as Solo. While Rogue One also kind gets a "meh" from me, it's better than this-- in part because that at least fits all of its story into c. 2 hours.

Anyway, long story short: this should have been the first film in a trilogy, and once cut down to that length, the script should have received several rounds of polishing. Then, the result would have been much better.
 
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It did have a bit of a midseason finale feel as opposed to a season finale one. It wasn't as obnoxious as Sequel bait as a lot of movies and shows tend to be, it definitely had an ending and conclusion with the players 'at rest' so to speak and while some things were resolved it was only transitory to the point that there was still a lot of placement of said players for what is planned to come in the future. It didn't bother me quite as much I feel because streaming just plays different to me then watching "live" television but that feeling of it being mid season did kinda creep on me since watching the last episode.
 
Thrawn had been turned into an idiot, this is a fucking mockery, it is low grade capeshit producers pissing on some of the best bits of the old EU.
They also managed to combine it with some of the biggest garbage in the old EU, which is tCoPL and the witches idiocy.

I never gave much of a fuck for Ahsoka as a character and she was canon breaking to begin with.

I watched 1 episode, the one where Thrawn finally makes an appearance, and it was beyond retarded.

But I guess that even a modicum of improvement would feel good to some people who have been force fed shit for overall decade.

Go watch the old Star Wars, go read Heir to the Empire.

Then say again you enjoyed any of the Disney crap excluding Rogue 1 and season 1 of Mando.
Um why exactly were you replying to me? I did not ask for your opinion directly. If you don't like other people's opinions on something don't bugger them with yours.
 
Bruh...



At first I was like... Nah this joke ain't working.

Then by the end it was my breathing patterns not working due to failing my laughter suppression skill checks.

Gotta prevent that new Star War from happening.

I would have totally watched it back in 1986 lol.
 
Um why exactly were you replying to me? I did not ask for your opinion directly. If you don't like other people's opinions on something don't bugger them with yours.
You are the one claiming that garbage is watchable.
If you do not like it, you know where the mute button is. :ROFLMAO:
 
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No he can’t. Something like Avatar the Last Airbender leaves a steaming pile of shit like Star Wars: Rebels in the dust.

Filoni has been overrated for a very long time.
Never got into that but what I saw was:
a) Anime ripoff.
b) Fan service and pandering to the woke via lesbians. Well, at least they looked hot I guess.

Rebels, it was meh. I saw 1 season, couldn't get into it, just more crap for the masses to mindlessly consume.

Same goes for all of the animated and CGI stuff, cheap, visually ugly, childish, "Mmm, muh member berries".
Not adding anything good to the franchise and often going against the canon, like the introduction of the not-Twi'lek and dumb shit like space whales and time travel and magic.

An anime style series featuring Ayala Sakura would have been better.
 
Never got into that but what I saw was:
a) Anime ripoff.
b) Fan service and pandering to the woke via lesbians. Well, at least they looked hot I guess.

Rebels, it was meh. I saw 1 season, couldn't get into it, just more crap for the masses to mindlessly consume.

Same goes for all of the animated and CGI stuff, cheap, visually ugly, childish, "Mmm, muh member berries".
Not adding anything good to the franchise and often going against the canon, like the introduction of the not-Twi'lek and dumb shit like space whales and time travel and magic.

An anime style series featuring Ayala Sakura would have been better.
ATLA was great. arguably among the best kids content released at the time. Good story. good moral lessons without being too preachy. actually entertaining. tackles some pretty dark issues while still being kid friendly. Korra on the other hand was... a very mixed bag. The villains generally had an interesting premise and usually had a point that really needed to be addressed. that point was usually tossed out a window halfway through the season so Korra could be insufferable and ditch more of the responsibilities of the position of avatar onto the world around her.

but more than that would be a big derail.

Rebels was yeah... it was even more childish feeling than The Clone Wars was.
 
ATLA was great. arguably among the best kids content released at the time. Good story. good moral lessons without being too preachy. actually entertaining. tackles some pretty dark issues while still being kid friendly. Korra on the other hand was... a very mixed bag. The villains generally had an interesting premise and usually had a point that really needed to be addressed. that point was usually tossed out a window halfway through the season so Korra could be insufferable and ditch more of the responsibilities of the position of avatar onto the world around her.
Never watched AtLAB beyond 1 ep, don't really plan to.
Rebels was yeah... it was even more childish feeling than The Clone Wars was.
Yes, the clone wars animations from what I see of them were all pretty cheap looking and badly made, I saw 1-2 rendom episodes, I was not impressed.
They wasted the guy who made Samurai Jack IIRC on the first.
And then we had the low grade CGI.
 
Now, having seen it start to finish, I have a few comments. Some have been said before, but I might as well say my piece.

1) For most of the series, there was only minions and bad guys as guys. After Ezra turns up, he's treated as worth something, but he's the only one. And, sometimes, it really feels like they don't know what to do with him.

2) "General" Hera. The fuck is that person a General? Seriously? HOW?!? WHY? And, skipping over my broken suspension of disbelief at this random Han Solo'esk pilot as a General, I now really have to wonder why she took her 12 year old son on a combat mission? I guess she's not worried by those Imps. Must be lying to the Senate, am I right?

3) Cool combat scenes. Bit silly at times, but cool.

4) Baylan. Ok, here he says he's here for power, so fallen Jedi. Great bad guy for Ahsoka. Then, a few chapters in, he's- in it because he's tired? How much sense does that make? So he's been training blondie for years, and now he says "You're ready. Go kill those two, then build something that isn't the Jedi!" After training her to be a Jedi? So, why even follow Sabine in the first place?

Does this guy have any point?

5) Thrawn's cool. Not perfect, sure, but having a real sense of "The goal doesn't require I kill them, so let's just go." Practical. Effective. At least in feeling. More capable than anybody else in this universe. In the land of the blind, the mildly smart is king, I guess.



I still wonder why an old woman star ship designer is so good at melee, but, meh, that's a pretty small potato's over all.
 
2) "General" Hera. The fuck is that person a General? Seriously? HOW?!? WHY? And, skipping over my broken suspension of disbelief at this random Han Solo'esk pilot as a General, I now really have to wonder why she took her 12 year old son on a combat mission? I guess she's not worried by those Imps. Must be lying to the Senate, am I right?

Child endangerment is a pretty common feature in Star Wars and most media semi oriented to kids and has been for decades in Star Wars in particular.
 
No he can’t. Something like Avatar the Last Airbender leaves a steaming pile of shit like Star Wars: Rebels in the dust.

I'm not going to be too harsh on Filoni for any of this. As I understand it, Rebels played very well with its target audience, and although it was not exactly made for me, it's a good animated series for a fairly young audience. A:TLA is generally held to have way better writing than most kids' series, so it's kind of an outlier, not the standard to which I hold everything else.



...Overall, I'm not inclined to go nitpicking. Stuff like random heroes just being generals despite not really being qualified at all goes back to RotJ, where Luke and Han both have serious officer ranks (Han even being a General). Note that Han hadn't even enlisted in the Rebellion at the start of ESB, and then spent the intervening period being frozen, so the guy literally goes from zero to General. I guess that just happens when you're a protagonist. ;)

Likewise with kids being taken along. I distinctly remember a kid yelling "Yippee!" and then spinning, because it's a good trick. Oh, and blowing up a starship in the middle of a space battle. That stuff happens in Star Wars, and I accept that as a given.
 

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