Star Wars The Ahsoka Show

How about:
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks are trying to destroy my childhood!
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks are pushing more woke garbage/waminz stronk and bestest ever.
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks have turned great characters like Thrawn into a joke.
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks are fucking over canon with the way they treat the force as just some stupid and I consistent plot device, like frigging magic from a cheap fantasy flick.
You have the general Star Wars thread for that. Secondly, one thing that the Ashoka show did not have was "woke garbage/waminz stronk and bestest ever" crap, as noted by everyone who actually WATCHED the show not predetermined to shit on it. Thrawn always was a joke, and his capacities were always exaggerated by ImpSimps. Finally, The Force has always been an inconsistent plot device because it is just magic from a cheap fantasy flick. Because Star Wars was and always has been at it's core a fantasy flick just with a SciFi coat.
 
I think I've worked out why I have an issue with Ahsoka.

It's a kids show. The lack of detail is normal, kids shows don't need that level of details. I just expected more.
 
You have the general Star Wars thread for that. Secondly, one thing that the Ashoka show did not have was "woke garbage/waminz stronk and bestest ever" crap, as noted by everyone who actually WATCHED the show not predetermined to shit on it. Thrawn always was a joke, and his capacities were always exaggerated by ImpSimps. Finally, The Force has always been an inconsistent plot device because it is just magic from a cheap fantasy flick. Because Star Wars was and always has been at it's core a fantasy flick just with a SciFi coat.
Actually it is a space western/Kurosawa Samurai movie mixed with space opera.A lot of those golden age scifi/pulp stories that inspires Lukas had some ofrm of psionics(telekinesis, telepathy, precognition), the NuWave we had right after had stuff like hive minds, noospheres, and other weird shit thst was decidedly not magic.

And as I said, I am pissed that Thrawn is now a moron, and it happened because of the knockoff Twi'lek show, which we are discussing here.

The force actually had some rules and was not a magic system with witches and wands and cauldrons, and now we have Dathomiry witches mixed into the mess.

The force is something one is born with, or was, but now the purple haired tomboy magically has it.
 
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The force actually had some rules and was not a magic system with witches and wands and cauldrons, and now we have Dathomiry witches mixed into the mess.

Dathomiri Witches and Magic was part of the early EU. IIRC it first appeared in the Young Jedi series and Jedi Academy series that was written in the mid 90's. And they repeatedly showed up again and again in the EU, Courtship of Princess Leia, Darksaber, the New Jedi Order, in the Star Wars Galaxies MMO, in the various Essential Guides going back three decades.

And describing The Force as magic or sorcery happened as early as A New Hope.

The Force being used by something other then dudes in robes and black outfits has been a thing for decades as well. In the Knights of the Old Republic area, a couple decades old now, there was all sorts of wackiness going on with the Force. It wasn't just Jedi and Sith hitting each other with laser swords. There were monsters and spirits and tribes of Force Wielders and Sith that looked like Tomb Kings etc.

Plus you got all of the stuff that occurred in things like Dark Empire with the alchemy, or the Thrawn Trilogy with things like Battle Meditation and brain blanking and noncey null force bubble creating creatures/plot devices like the Ysalamiri.

Plus even in the Prequel Trilogy, we have talks of wacky prophecies, midichlorians, and the main character of the two trilogies being immaculately conceived by the Force.

The Force has been way more then just fancy telekinesis for decades now.

The force is something one is born with, or was, but now the purple haired tomboy magically has it.

So by your logic Luke Skywalker shouldn't be a Jedi or Force Sensitive since he never showed any aptitude or force sensitivity. prior to A New Hope especially in strict Lucas canon?

At least Sabine Wren has displayed lightsaber proficiency before and established that she was Ahsokas apprentice in the interim and maybe hinted at through her artistic abilities. Plus has the excuse of being a hard headed Mandalorian from some long lived bloodline. If there's a criticism it's that it's likely a story that will be explained in subsequent seasons instead of immediately for triggered Bulgars who are hate watching. But don't let that stop you from jumping to premature conclusions or assumptions.

As somebody who's never seen any of that stuff, I'll give that a single nostalgia point. It makes it harder to take it seriously.

Oh, I think they could have made that whole thing work better. Hera showing a bit of age, she's a mom, and it's, what, 5-10 years after the Empire fell? How old was she then? Also, she never changes her clothing. For crying out loud, she's telling off Senators in that leather jacket!

Just having her dress in a uniform with some stuff on the front to represent medals when it's reasonable would help, as would "Ah, I'm just on holiday visting an old friend." at the right time......

Again, just like with child endangerment, this is a standard practice in Star Wars and in fiction in general.

Han Solo in the Desert.

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Han Solo at an Award Ceremony on Yavin

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Han Solo at a Top Level Briefing Prior to Endor

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Han Solo in the Thrawn Trilogy

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Like the biggest variation in Han Solo's dress is he wears a long sleeved dark jacket instead of a sleeveless vest jacket in Empire Strikes Back (brrr cold) and in the Sequel Trilogy.

Just saying...

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Unrelated, but I remember enjoying the designs in Solo. Despite not watching it, Alden definitely retains the swag that the original trilogy set a precedent for. Makes sense for them not to be very recognizable when it's essentially the precursor for what the character would evolve into.

Aside from Childish Landino, though admittedly that's because of my own predisposition.
 
Han Solo in the Desert.

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Han Solo at an Award Ceremony on Yavin

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Han Solo at a Top Level Briefing Prior to Endor

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Han Solo in the Thrawn Trilogy

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Like the biggest variation in Han Solo's dress is he wears a long sleeved dark jacket instead of a sleeveless vest jacket in Empire Strikes Back (brrr cold) and in the Sequel Trilogy.

Just saying...

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You know he became a General in the Rebellion and hooked up with an actual Princess. You think the dude could afford a second set of clothes. xD
 
I'll be honest, I wanted to talk about how I actually liked the costuming in this show. Especially with the head tails/lekku Xenos like Hera Syndulla and Ahsoka Tano (especially with her Lekku form fitting spacesuit) but I really liked seeing Hera in the live action pilot uniform including the leather headgear. She's like a hot action Mom and just getting more appealing through the series just by existing for some reason. Life goals.

I also didn't realize until after the series that Mary Elizabeth Winstead was Hera Syndulla. ... . Like I literally said... OUT LOUD "SHE LOOKS LIKE MARY ELIZABETH WINSTEAD" but my swiss cheese brain couldn't quite process why that was... Then I looked up the cast list afterwards... probably subconsciously because I wanted to know who was potraying Hera Syndulla.

Somehow it was a big surprise to me.

You know he became a General in the Rebellion and hooked up with an actual Princess. You think the dude could afford a second set of clothes. xD

I also got a picture of Han Solo from the Dark Empire comics where simulacrums of the main characters were starring in that story. But there's a media limit.

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And while I love Dark Empire's epic nonsense, the character art of the main characters is quite strikingly and awfully inaccurate.

BUT THEY GOT HIS ICONIC outfit!... Sorta...
 
I dunno, this seems like a more accurate assessment of Season One.

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Mid to Above Average.
 
I dunno, this seems like a more accurate assessment of Season One.

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Mid to Above Average.

I really think the 'above average' can't be justified by reasonably objective metrics. It was average. The good outlier elements outnumber the bad outlier elements, but the structural shortcomings (pacing, plotting, degree to which it delivers upon the implied promise...) drag it down again.

Now, let me preface my next assessment by clarifying that I don't think that "the Anakin stuff" was nostalgia bait / 'memberberries. In fact, it was central to Ahsoka's character and I count it as a highlight.

However... I get the impression that the fans who grew up with the prequels and TCW liked it so much that it skews their view as the series as a whole. This is what they wanted; what the Obi-Wan series disappointingly failed to deliver. Filoni gave them that, and they love it.

I'm not trying to tear that down. I'm saying that if you removed episode 5 and look at the rest of the show... well. It's a rather stark difference.

(It's probably no co-incidence that Filoni is at his best when he can tie in directly with TCW. It's his big thing, and it automatically caters to his core audience.)
 
I really think the 'above average' can't be justified by reasonably objective metrics. It was average. The good outlier elements outnumber the bad outlier elements, but the structural shortcomings (pacing, plotting, degree to which it delivers upon the implied promise...) drag it down again.

Now, let me preface my next assessment by clarifying that I don't think that "the Anakin stuff" was nostalgia bait / 'memberberries. In fact, it was central to Ahsoka's character and I count it as a highlight.

However... I get the impression that the fans who grew up with the prequels and TCW liked it so much that it skews their view as the series as a whole. This is what they wanted; what the Obi-Wan series disappointingly failed to deliver. Filoni gave them that, and they love it.

I'm not trying to tear that down. I'm saying that if you removed episode 5 and look at the rest of the show... well. It's a rather stark difference.

(It's probably no co-incidence that Filoni is at his best when he can tie in directly with TCW. It's his big thing, and it automatically caters to his core audience.)
Somebody who lives on 2 dollars a day is better off than the average if the average is 1 dollar a day, still, locking on that amount is shit.
 
Somebody who lives on 2 dollars a day is better off than the average if the average is 1 dollar a day, still, locking on that amount is shit.

Yes very scintillating... on that note I was looking at your ideas on Thrawn and your vision of a faithful and child enriching Star Wars as you passionately and sincerely advocated for below.

How about:
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks are trying to destroy my childhood!
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks are pushing more woke garbage/waminz stronk and bestest ever.
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks have turned great characters like Thrawn into a joke.
Fully justified, righteous indignation that the Disney hacks are fucking over canon with the way they treat the force as just some stupid and I consistent plot device, like frigging magic from a cheap fantasy flick.

If only trufans were involved in the development of Star Wars, making faithful characters that won't ruin ones childhood.

Thrawn Trilogy with some modifications.
Obvious we will need to gender-bend him so that a hot Asian woman with big boobas can play the role.
You know, to keep up with the times and get some PoCo points.

Dunno, Thrawn would look nice gender-bent, and who doesn't like an exotic waifu you can talk to about military strategy and weapons?

Mon-cals would look really cute if done like this:
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This can be a vhong:
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It is decided, all the aliens and monsters in my alternate Star Wars Epsiode 7 -9 are to be character developed by the people that did Monstergirl encyclopedia.
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Because everything is better with anime waifus!

Very Kurosawa. Strong DEEP Women characters. Thrawn done justice.
 
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Dathomiri Witches and Magic was part of the early EU. IIRC it first appeared in the Young Jedi series and Jedi Academy series that was written in the mid 90's. And they repeatedly showed up again and again in the EU, Courtship of Princess Leia, Darksaber, the New Jedi Order, in the Star Wars Galaxies MMO, in the various Essential Guides going back three decades.

The Witches of Dathomir were first mentioned in the early 1994 novel Jedi Search and then actually seen in the mid 1994 Courtship of Princess Leia. This makes them some of the very oldest and most established EU material, second primarily to the 1991-1993 Thrawn trilogy.

Edit: One very important early detail that's mostly missing from later canon is that only one specific tribe, the Nightsisters, are Dark Siders. All other Dathomiri Witch tribes are Light Side aligned, and their entire culture was founded by a female Jedi Knight named Allya who was exiled to Dathomir around 600 years ago.
 
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One of my biggest issue with the show extends to the more recent Mandoverse too...

Thrawn.

I like Thrawn. I'm happy to have him. What I don't understand is why he's such a big deal. Why does everyone consider Thrawn some existential threat? All we've seen of him in canon is that he's kind of an ok Admiral. He has one, damaged ship. Why is Thrawn the lynchpin to the success of the Imperial remnant and considered an absolute crisis by the New Republic?

Nothing has really done much to show WHY he's such a big deal. He just is. For some reason.
 

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