Trump Investigations Thread

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Vyor said:
... are you off your meds?
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Ah.

Because yes I have a mind of my own I must need some chemical (that's probably gonna be addictive I'd probably abuse).

No thanks.

It's that somehow Trump has become a champion of (free thinkers) and I find it really disturbing.

I remember noticing it in 2016, it's only worse now.

I didn't think he'd actually win, I figured he was just there to make sure Hillary did.

Then when he actually did everything he did was to discredit the Republicans and cause a bigger divide in their party than Ron Paul ever could have.

Now people are championing back.

Him being indicted is going to make our political system even more unstable.

Now people can get their political rivals arrested.

Great.
 
Trump is not a conservative, he has always been a centrist, the overton window just moved around him to the point he decided to run Republican. This isn't really a problem. In fact, the reason we know he is real is that he burned a ton of bridges with the left when he became president, and they are now trying everything short of assassination to get rid of him.
 
Coyote said:
Ah.

Because yes I have a mind of my own I must need some chemical (that's probably gonna be addictive I'd probably abuse).

No thanks.

It's that somehow Trump has become a champion of (free thinkers) and I find it really disturbing.

I remember noticing it in 2016, it's only worse now.

I didn't think he'd actually win, I figured he was just there to make sure Hillary did.

Then when he actually did everything he did was to discredit the Republicans and cause a bigger divide in their party than Ron Paul ever could have.

Now people are championing back.

Him being indicted is going to make our political system even more unstable.

Now people can get their political rivals arrested.

Great.
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Ah.

You're either a q-tard or a "conservative" that's actually a leftist trying to spread blackpills. Got it.
 
Vyor said:
Ah.

You're either a q-tard or a "conservative" that's actually a leftist trying to spread blackpills. Got it.
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and that unfortunately seems to be it.

The flaw of our two party system.

Who exactly did you vote for?

You know for all his flaws, Marco Rubio wouldn't have been so bad.

You can't imagine what I am.

You fell for believing this guy was a Republican.

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I heard this reading your post.

 
I can proudly say for the record I don't regret "throwing away my vote" in 2016



I knew she wouldn't win, but for that alone.

She definitely earned my vote.

I voted for a patriot.

We conspiracy theorists are always wrong, they'd never.

Wait, you're not even familiar with the declassified experiments on American citizens openly admitted to now are you?

Yeah, we're all terrible people who, wait knew things like it was from a lab.

Didn't that come out in the news later.

Although I don't even go that far, I really straight up don't believe it was real at all.

If something was gonna come out of a lab it would probably have been a lot scarier.

All colds are coronaviruses.

Therefore people will "have Covid" left and right because you know. It's a coronavirus.

But that vaccine now, there's the plague you're looking for.
 
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And anyone's curious about the following election in 2020.

You bet I did.

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I wasn't gonna vote in that one, but there was another issue on the ballot more important for this state.

Looked at the candidates there at the very bottom.

Oh hell yeah, we're one of the states that let him on the ballot.
 
Today, the Judge for the New York AG's lawsuit against Trump and his company ruled against Trump and co. in a partial summary judgement. They are liable for fraud:

www.cnbc.com

Trump and company liable for fraud in New York lawsuit, judge rules

Donald Trump fraudulently manipulated real estate valuations for years to falsely inflate his net worth by billions of dollars, a New York judge ruled.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

tl;dr: The business licences were cancelled and the companies are to be dissolved. The bench trial* for the remaining claims starts next Monday.

Note: appealing the decision when this is done requires posting whatever the fine turns out to be with the appeal.

This is the lawsuit where NY is seeking a $250million fine. Ouch!

* Trump's lawyers checked that box in a filing so he can't complain about not getting a jury because his lawyers said "we don't want a jury".
 
Vyor said:
And there goes real-estate broker stock prices.
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Naw, barely a blip. The chances of this ruling were already priced in to their valuations.

This ruling, however, is very bad for Trump because the NY companies he and the listed associates own in full or part were just handed the corporate death penalty: court ordered forced liquidation.

Regulated banks will also be very reluctant to lend him money in the future. Bank regulators will demand an explanation if they say "yes" to Trump and it better be a good one or the regulators won't be happy.
 
bintananth said:
Naw, barely a blip. The chances of this ruling were already priced in to their valuations.

This ruling, however, is very bad for Trump because the NY companies he and the listed associates own in full or part were just handed the corporate death penalty: court ordered forced liquidation.

Regulated banks will also be very reluctant to lend him money in the future. Bank regulators will demand an explanation if they say "yes" to Trump and it better be a good one or the regulators won't be happy.
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The ruling is, frankly, god damn insane.
 
Vyor said:
The ruling is, frankly, god damn insane.
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No, it's not.

Financial shenanigans of the sort Trump was accused of are pretty easy to prove if someone bothers to do the requisite digging into the mismatched numbers.

Thing is, the banks - who should have said "no, that looks fishy" - didn't because, to quote J. Paul Getty: "If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."

... and each bank looked the other way hoping that they wouldn't be Paul in "Borrow from Peter to pay Paul." when Peter finally says "no".
 
bintananth said:
tl;dr: The business licences were cancelled and the companies are to be dissolved. The bench trial* for the remaining claims starts next Monday.

Note: appealing the decision when this is done requires posting whatever the fine turns out to be with the appeal.
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...Does this mean he's forced to wait for the fine of a guilty verdict before he's allowed to appeal the liquidation that's already been court ordered? As in, the punishment takes effect before any possibility of stalling it on procedural grounds?
 
Morphic Tide said:
...Does this mean he's forced to wait for the fine of a guilty verdict before he's allowed to appeal the liquidation that's already been court ordered? As in, the punishment takes effect before any possibility of stalling it on procedural grounds?
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This is one of the civil cases against him, so things are a bit different. Sorta a two-part case in terms of questions for the judge to rule on:

1) Are Trump and co. liable for fraud?
2) If so, what's the fine and other penalties?

Yesterday the Judge ruled that the AG had so conclusively demonstrated that yes, Trump and co. were liable for fraud that no possible arugument they could provide would convince him otherwise. The cancellation of the NY business certificates and dissolution of the companies is an automatic result of them being found liable for fraud. Since this was a summary judgement, I'm not sure if it can be appealed.

The trial is to sort out part two.

Oh, the ruling also sanctioned five of his lawyers to the tune of $7,500 each. Trump did not hire good lawyers.
 
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bintananth said:
Today, the Judge for the New York AG's lawsuit against Trump and his company ruled against Trump and co. in a partial summary judgement. They are liable for fraud:

www.cnbc.com

Trump and company liable for fraud in New York lawsuit, judge rules

Donald Trump fraudulently manipulated real estate valuations for years to falsely inflate his net worth by billions of dollars, a New York judge ruled.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

tl;dr: The business licences were cancelled and the companies are to be dissolved. The bench trial* for the remaining claims starts next Monday.

Note: appealing the decision when this is done requires posting whatever the fine turns out to be with the appeal.

This is the lawsuit where NY is seeking a $250million fine. Ouch!

* Trump's lawyers checked that box in a filing so he can't complain about not getting a jury because his lawyers said "we don't want a jury".
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I'm really not considering this judge to be a good-faith actor at this point.
 
LordsFire said:
I'm really not considering this judge to be a good-faith actor at this point.
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Well we know the AG ran on railroading Trump to get him. wouldn't be surprised if more people involved are also just going to get him regardless of how correct the decisions are. still if this is the sort of lawfare the Dems wish for I hope that right wing judges start firing back and indicting Nancy Pelosi and others while issuing summary judgements.
 
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