United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

Bear Ribs said:

Yeah, I reported that a bit upthread, but honestly I'm warming up to this. Dead people historically have caused no wars and committed no atrocities, really all the problems we've ever seen have been caused by living leaders.

Now dead voters, they're pretty problematic as historically they invariably vote for the most corrupt and least honest candidates possible.

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Bacle said:

@Battlegrinder You really need to stop having these stupid neocon moments with regard to the libertarians and the DC GOP establishment that has stabbed it's voters in the back repeatedly. You cannot ignore people and turn them into memes and then expect them to stand up for you when you need them most.

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Sobek said:

On the subject of Compromise between Libertarians and GOP: Good idea, completely untenable as long as the GOP is being run by the likes of McConnell. It also has the failure of the fact that if such a compromise was so easy the Libertarian party would be at most a bloc in the GOP not a separate party.

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The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the ele...

www.americanthinker.com

Billionaire investor Ken Griffin, who has invested heavily in Governor DeSantis, has said so explicitly. According to Politico, the big Republican donor wants to "blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party's relationship with the corporate world."

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Sobek said:

Found another good article about the midterms, and this one had a little note that really caught my eye...

The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the ele...

www.americanthinker.com

This, more than anything, makes me want to keep backing Trump and keep DeSantis at a arm's lenght to run in 28 not 24. DeSantis is being used as bait, and that scares me.

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Bacle said:

The fact is elections are won by addition, not subtraction, and libertarians are common enough they can swing close races.

@Battlegrinder and @Abhorsen however need to realize neither the hardcore AnCap platform, nor the hardcore GOP platform, are going to survive the progressive insanity uunless we find a way to work together.
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@Battlegrinder You really need to stop having these stupid neocon moments with regard to the libertarians and the DC GOP establishment that has stabbed it's voters in the back repeatedly. You cannot ignore people and turn them into memes and then expect them to stand up for you when you need them most.

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Sobek said:

Found another good article about the midterms, and this one had a little note that really caught my eye...

The Establishment Is Trying to Divide and Conquer MAGA

There are videos making the rounds showing President Trump standing on stage in Miami's pouring rain while imploring Americans to get out and vote. The metaphor is striking. There's Trump, battling the ele...

www.americanthinker.com

This, more than anything, makes me want to keep backing Trump and keep DeSantis at a arm's lenght to run in 28 not 24. DeSantis is being used as bait, and that scares me.

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Battlegrinder said:

There is no such thing as "the uniparty", and running yourself and voting independent are just votes for the democrats.



That's 100% the wrong take. In competitive districts, Trump's candidate's regularly lost, sticking with Trump is a lower strategy.

What this twit wrongly assumes is there are two choices, Trump and McConnell. There aren't. You can break from the establishment and win, DeSantis did. You just can't stick to Trump.

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Battlegrinder said:

See, I agree that coalition building is needed. Which is why reaching out to the "lol, evil uniparty" people is a waste of time and we're better off going after normie democrats, since at least we can skip the "convince them that republican party actually exists" stage and just convince them to switch sides.

Libertarian saw a bunch of narrow races where they could tilt the scales, and tilted them towards the dems, apparently on the theory that we would then want to bring them in next time. So screw 'em, they're not actually a big enough bloc that we need them involved, we should focus our efforts on building a coalition big enough that we don't need flakes like them to win.

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Duke Nukem said:

Yeah, I like Ron but I find it a little odd how differently the Media is treating him compared to Trump. They've been oddly neutral or even favorable toward Ron, Which most have never shown towards Trump.

Maybe I'm just crazy though.

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Bacle said:

Keep backing Trump all you want, won't change the ego or pettiness problems Trump has, or give him better judgement.

The GOP needs to look outside the Party for 2024; the GOP needs DeSantis where he is to build a red bastion in Florida.

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Battlegrinder said:

See, I agree that coalition building is needed. Which is why reaching out to the "lol, evil uniparty" people is a waste of time and we're better off going after normie democrats, since at least we can skip the "convince them that republican party actually exists" stage and just convince them to switch sides.

Libertarian saw a bunch of narrow races where they could tilt the scales, and tilted them towards the dems, apparently on the theory that we would then want to bring them in next time. So screw 'em, they're not actually a big enough bloc that we need them involved, we should focus our efforts on building a coalition big enough that we don't need flakes like them to win.

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Lord Sovereign said:

Liberals of nearly any stripe, especially libertarians, seem to almost immediately burst into flames whenever confronted with real politik. They can be every bit as dogmatic as lefties, which does make some sense as they do both spring from the same Enlightenment roots.

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Sobek said:

Might be a case of "better the devil you know" of them banking on DeSantis being willing to sacrifice his MAGA streak to get the Presidency and being willing to play ball with the Uniparty once in power since he is now a career politician.

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Sobek said:

There is literally zero reason why DeSantis and Trump shouldn't unite to strengthen the GOP. This whole beef between them is just forced. Like I said: I suspect DeSantis is being pushed by powerbrokers who think they can make him into a RINO who will obey and do as asked instead of the retard strenght of Trump who had to be manipulated to do what they asked and even then had a chance to go wild.

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Sobek said:

You know what would be really good? A Trump/DeSantis ticket. Just unite them. Maybe even make Trump the VP instead of the actual POTUS just so he can fully focus on causing as much chaos and butthurt on the Senate and Media.

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Bacle said:

The fact is libertarians have power in their votes, and trying to pretend the GOP can just sideline and ignore while trying to play to Dems who are more and more conditioned to hate the GOP anyway

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Bacle said:

the neocon ways have failed the GOP, how can you not see this?

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Sobek said:

Sorry but I don't think baggage is relevant. Doesn't matter who runs, as long as they are not 100% on board with the globalist agenda they get slandered to all hell.

If DeSantis runs they will just slander him the same as they did with Trump in 2016, and insist that he needs to constantly talk shit and distance himself from Cheeto Hitler. Remember: They are convinced we are evil incarnate, not that we disagree with them.

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Sobek said:

You know what would be really good? A Trump/DeSantis ticket. Just unite them. Maybe even make Trump the VP instead of the actual POTUS just so he can fully focus on causing as much chaos and butthurt on the Senate and Media.

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Abhorsen said:

Thank you! Next time consider having candidates that actually give a shit about liberty? We don't owe you our vote, especially when the options are warmonger R vs warmonger D. We didn't lose the race to the democrats, the Rs did when they decided to have a shit candidate.

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