Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes
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Nobody claimed Afghanistan was about WMDs... that was always that the Taliban had provided aid the comfort to the terrorist organization that executed 9/11, and at the time we went in everyone thought Bin Laden was there, it was after the invasion he fled to Pakistan.
I'm also not sure what lies they're referencing regarding Iran or North Korea... and North Korea was one of the most clean cut cases of a defensive war since WW2 on the West's part. I'm guessing Vietnam is in reference to the Gult of Tonkin incident, but there was a lot more going on there. As to the various Central American countries, that's going to get messy on each and every one.
This is a bad meme, it's trying to imply all military actions taken since WW2 have somehow been corrupt and thus Ukraine is corrupt too, yet when you know about the causes of those conflicts you immediately know it's the meme lying about things and thus it breaks it's entire point.
When the other option is taking Russia's word for things, yes, DC is more trustworthy (though not by a whole lot).
With Ukraine, we can dig into what is happening thanks to OSINT stuff confirming or debunking things, and so far most of what has been shown is that Ukraine and the US are lying about things in Ukraine far, far, far less than the Russians are.
Maybe try to think beyond 'I am against the current thing' narratives of the contrarian-Right and actually pay attention to what is happening in Ukraine before you keep shit talking the efforts of the US and others to help Ukraine.
Let me put it into simple terms. Just because the USA is lying less than Russia, doesn't excuse them for lying.
I sympathize with Ukrainian citizens and Russian citizens. I have explicit contempt for both of their governments.
Is there a single government in the western world that isn't kind of shit right now?
Not really I'm sad to say.
It is trying to point that all wars and conflicts after WW2 were ti further globalism of the world order and the government has lied about every thing that got us to these conflicts.
"The art of war is the art of deception.'- Sun Tzu; the West hasn't really lied about things happening in Ukraine, though they have respect OPSEC of Ukrainian forces.
And outside the lies the Deep State used to hit Trump with that farce of an impeachment, which were before and separate from the current fighting, there really haven't been many lies at all coming out of the situation in Ukraine. In fact Ukraine gets enough support from the west that they don't need to lie about the situation to get support.
Where as Russia is lying about 95% of things regarding Ukraine, and is the aggressor; stop trying to make this a 'both sides' issue, when it frankly isn't.
Also, what is contemptable about Zelensky and the Ukranian gov fighting back against the Russian invasion?
ShadowsOfParadox
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I'm curious, what lies do you think Ukraine supporters have been telling?
And also, what lies do you think Russia supporters have been telling?
And also, what lies do you think Russia supporters have been telling?
For the later?
There are people who will deny anything the Russsians have said that could be false.
It is all true.
But where to start on that.
Yes, I get that is what it is claiming.
But the actual facts and history don't align with that point at all. There were no lies that led to the Korean Conflict, for instance, it was one of the most blatant attempted Communist wars of conquest ever undertaken. Hell, the side with the most lies there was by far the North Koreans and the Soviets, as most of the air war in Korea was not fought between the US and N. Koreans, but between the US and the Soviets, whom provided the bulk of the actual pilots for the North Koreans.
And when it comes to the Cold War, I'll take the Western World Order over the Soviet World Order any day of the week and twice on Sunday. For as corrupt as the west has become, it is nowhere near as oppressive or corrupt as the Soviet system was. There's a reason most former Soviet states are complete basket cases that have only just barely managed to recover. There's a reason that even Russia is still rotten through with corruption to the point where it can barely support a conflict with a nation a quarter of its size. The corruption and damage the Soviet Order did to every country under it's sphere, and the damage it did to the world by spreading it's ideas, is incalculable. Hell, one can make a very strong argument that the corruption plaguing the west had a good chunk of it's origins in Soviet long term operations against the West.
So spare me the bullshit about how all these Cold War conflicts were so terrible and wrong. Has the west always had it's hands clean? No. Were some of those conflicts based on lies? Yes. But not all of them, nor were all of them unjust wars, and by putting those just wars alongside the actual failures of the west completely destroys its point, thus showing how little people understand both about history and about the present conflict in Ukraine, which is again one of the most blatant attempts at a war of conquest we've seen in recent history.
I mean thebpeople that believe Korea was unjust or wrong probably also believe North Korean propaganda of the US genociding a village
Cuba? Venezuela? Iran?
This goes into "poor little communists and islamists oppressed by evil America for absolutely no reason at all" territory. With poor little Russian irredentists left as a cherry on top.
Look, I’m sorry I didn’t sit down and double check every damn line of the funny meme like some sort of Leftist.