SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

Zachowon

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He was deployed when shit happened, and didn't find out till he got back; at which point he cheated himself once or twice to get back at her.

Which got him kicked out, his cheating SO got all his benefits besides the VA (despite the fact she divorced him and married who she was cheating on him with), and nothing happened to the guy who had an affair with his SO while my buddy was deployed.

So yeah, the USMJ is completely at the whim of base commanders and such when it comes to this stuff, and the law is not applied equally to all parties, even when they are caught breaking it.
You do know he still committed adultery...
If he had proof she did it all he would have to do it report it to the MPs, and have her tried for adultery.

Did he report it? Did he try to do anything?

Did he go to the IG?
 

Jormungandr

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Abortion is a complicated issue for both sides of the aisle; men and women.

See, I'm pro-choice within reason, but my main issue is with how cavalier a lot of people are with it, as well as how men are actually shafted hard.

If a woman is raped and doesn't want to keep the baby? I agree that she should terminate if she wanted to. A man [is] raped [by a woman] and the attacker became pregnant as a result? He should get a deciding vote.

If a couple is unable to care for a child or do not want to be parents, and after discussing it in-depth they decide to terminate? I'm personally fine with that because they understand the gravity of what they're doing e.g. not allowing a human life to come to fruition, and they made the personal choice to go through with it.

I fully agree that if there's a medical reason why a fetus should be aborted, like it or the mother not surviving/coming to term, it should be done with consent.

Hell, I even feel empathy for the tiny, tiny percentage (like 0.00001%) of people who do use birth-control but it fails that have to make this terrible decision, too.

People need to understand the gravity of the decision they're making when deciding to abort or not. A human life won't exist.

However, a lot of women who go for abortions? The majority of the ones shrieking their heads off like chickens seeing a snake after this ruling? They're the fucking morons who think abortion is just a convenient method of birth-control over condoms and the Pill.

"Oh, I have an 'Oopsie Baby!'? One visit to the clinic and I'm free and clear to be used as another random man's cum-dumpster!"

They're what we like to call Cock Carousel Riders, since they pretty much act like unpaid prostitutes. And, sadly enough, this sort-of behavior starts in their late teens in this day and age.

"I've had twelve abortions since I was eighteen! I'm twenty-four now! I feel so empowered!"

Women do and should have autonomy of their bodies, but, again, they need to understand the gravity of abortion. These CC Riders do not or refuse to take personal accountability.

And, on the other side, you have men; what if the man wants the kid but she doesn't? Should she bring it to term, be compensated, and sign away rights so he can raise it on his own or with another partner? What about adoption?

What about those women who, by legal definition or by actuality, rape men by tampering with birth-control (holes in condoms) or actually directly sexually assault them e.g. when drunk, asleep, et cetera to get pregnant? Though, thankfully when the male birth-control jab is perfected, a lot of these women's plans would go up in smoke.

Depending on the situation, the mother either has the full right to take the chance of being a father away by termination or by forcing him to be a walking ATM for eighteen years, if he didn't want the child but she did.

sigh However, there's no clear-cut answer for either conundrum -- I find arguments on both sides a bit repugnant, especially those who believe that a woman's womb is basically property of the government (yes, there are people out there who believe this) or that they should be forced to bring a baby to term no matter the circumstances.
 
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Bacle

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You do know he still committed adultery...
If he had proof she did it all he would have to do it report it to the MPs, and have her tried for adultery.

Did he report it? Did he try to do anything?

Did he go to the IG?
She wasn't a service member, so the USMJ didn't apply to her and it did to him, is my understanding of what the excuse was at the time of why she got away with it and he got the shaft.

Nevermind the guy she cheated on my buddy with never got any punishment, and she got all my buddy's benefits.

But nah, we are supposed to trust that the USMJ and JAG is any less corrupt, or open to corruption, than anything else that comes out of DC. We're supposed to not point out how the USMJ and JAG are both used for partisan and personal reasons at the whim of commanders.

Which is why we should not trust the USMJ or JAG officers to not fuck up abortion situations/laws in the military, now that they cannot fall back on RvW and the only laws relevant are state-level.
 

DarthOne

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The Woke Monster eventually eats everyone ... Libs are now turning on Ruth Bader Ginsburg


When Ruth Ginsburg passed away in 2020, she was basically sainted by the left.

Now that three Trump-appointed justices provided the votes necessary to overturn Roe v. Wade? Not so much:



Roe v. Wade overturned: Liberal journalists rage at Ruth Bader Ginsburg for not retiring
Liberal journalists blamed the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg for the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade because she did not retire sooner.
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The Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade Friday resulted in meltdowns from many liberal journalists blaming former President Trump and the conservative justices.
However, some in the liberal media actually suggested the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was partly responsible. Taking their grievances to social media, journalists and other media figures slammed the formerly revered liberal icon for not retiring sooner.
Ginsburg died in September of 2020 at 87 years old, leaving a vacancy for President Trump to nominate Justice Amy Coney Barrett to take her place on the Court.
Oh yes, they're mad indeed.








We've said it before and we'll say it again:

Among progressives, you either die a hero when a Democrat's in office, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain when a Republican's in control.
 

DarthOne

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Undoing the court? Pelosi leads Democrats in effort to codify Roe v. Wade into law



"Our summer of rage has just begun," vowed the Women's March, a left-wing advocacy organization. "We'll see you in the streets."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is vowing to fight in Congress to codify Roe v. Wade after the Supreme Court overturned the landmark decision.

"Democrats will keep fighting ferociously to enshrine Roe v. Wade into law of the land," Pelosi said. "This cruel ruling is outrageous and heart‑wrenching."

The California Democrat called the decision a "slap in the face to women about using their own judgment to make their own decisions about their reproductive freedom."

Democrats have tried to codify Roe v. Wade into law in the past, but it has never passed Congress.

In September, the Democrat-led House passed the Women's Health Protection Act, but the bill didn't move forward in the Senate.

After the draft opinion of the Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v. Wade leaked in May, Democrats in the Senate tried to pass legislation to codify Roe, but Republicans were able to block the measure.

Realizing they lack the votes to codify a right to abortion into law in the 50-50 Senate, Democrats are calling on their base to mobilize and vote in November.

"This fall, Roe is on the ballot," President Biden said at the White House on Friday. "Personal freedoms are on the ballot. The right to privacy, liberty, equality — they're all on the ballot. Until then, I will do all in my power to protect a woman's right in states where they will face the consequences of today's decision."

Pelosi also said Roe v. Wade is "on the ballot in November."

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said the decision to overturn Roe "makes crystal clear the contrast" between both parties as the November elections approach.

"Elect more MAGA Republicans if you want nationwide abortion bans, the jailing of women and doctors and no exemptions for rape or incest," Schumer said. "Or elect more pro-choice Democrats to save Roe and protect a woman's right to make their own decisions about their body, not politicians."

The Women's March organization is advocating for protests this summer.

"This is a nightmare come to life, one with deadly consequences for women," the left-wing advocacy organization said in a press release on Friday. "But we will not stop fighting until justice protects us from attacks on our bodies. And until every woman in every state has the right to an abortion. Our summer of rage has just begun. We'll see you in the streets."

The SCOTUS Exposes the Lying, Lawless Left


June 26, 2022
By Drew Allen


The Left’s response to the Supreme Court’s 6-3 ruling in New York Rifle Association v. Bruen to strike down an unconstitutional New York gun law that restricted concealed carry was entirely predictable. The Left hates the Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment, and nothing makes them angrier than the Supreme Court rebuking their lawlessness and upholding the unalienable right of the law-abiding American citizen to exercise his or her 2nd Amendment right.

In this case it was a New York law from 1911 that effectively prevented New York residents from acquiring a concealed carry license. The state law required the licensee to "demonstrate a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community.”

Robert Nash and Brendan Koch, two New York residents tried to get a concealed carry license and were both denied on the ground that they “failed to show ‘proper cause’ to carry a firearm in public for the purpose of self-defense.” Both had extensive firearm safety training and Nash cited “a string of recent robberies in his neighborhood” as a need.

If these two men couldn’t get a concealed carry license in New York, then who could? You’d have to be dead before you could prove ‘proper cause.’

Nash and Koch brought suit in federal court with the aid of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. While lower courts upheld the unconstitutional law, on Thursday the Supreme Court struck it down.

The only thing to be outraged by is the fact that this unconstitutional law has survived for more than 100 years. But instead, the left is predictably apoplectic that the Supreme Court has finally struck it down. Why?

Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, claims the SCOTUS ruling “made every single one of us less safe.” How so? The number of shootings in New York City soared 97% from 2019 to 2020. Murders jumped by 43%. None of these shootings and murders were committed by Americans with a concealed carry license, because the 111-year-old law in New York effectively prohibited it.


Biden likewise claimed the SCOTUS ruling would make Americans less safe. “In the wake of the horrific attacks in Buffalo and Uvalde,” Biden said in a released statement, “as well as the daily acts of gun violence that do not make national headlines, we must do more as a society -- not less -- to protect our fellow Americans.” That’s three lies.

First, neither the Buffalo shooting, nor the Uvalde shooting were carried about by individuals with a concealed carry permit. In the case of Buffalo, not only did New York’s restrictive gun laws fail to prevent the mass shooting, but they made the target attractive to the killer. “NY has heavy gun laws,” he wrote in his manifesto, “so it was ease me if I knew that any legally armed civilian was limited to 10 round magazines or cucked firearms.”

In the case of the mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, one police officer had a chance to shoot the killer before he entered through an unlocked back door but chose not to. Police then waited 77 minutes until they could get a key to unlock the door to the classroom that the killer was in.

What does a concealed carry license have to do with either mass shooting? Nothing.

Second, which “daily acts of gun violence that do not make national headlines,” support the Left’s claim that law-abiding American citizens with a concealed carry license make “every single one of us less safe?”


Is there a rash of murders being committed by concealed carry holders that the media is refusing to cover?

Of course not. But according to Mayor Adams, there are a bunch of aspiring murderers walking the streets of the Big Apple who have just been waiting to get their concealed carry licenses to go on killing sprees.

Murderers and criminals don’t apply for concealed carry permits. Law-abiding American citizens do. More importantly, those Americans who are concealed carry license holders save lives. These are the stories that don’t make headlines.

On February 13, 2019, Larry Seagroves, a concealed handgun permit holder, shot and wounded a lone gunman in a Tennessee dentist’s office. The lone gunman had shot his estranged wife but was prevented from shooting others by a citizen with a gun.

On January 17, 2019, Jay Brown, an IHOP employee in Alabama, shot and killed a lone gunman in the restaurant after the gunman opened fire on employees.

Neither of these stories made “national headlines.”

Third, Biden says “we must do more as a society -- not less -- to protect our fellow Americans.” Bullschiff. The Left is demanding that we do more, not less, to endanger our fellow Americans.

This SCOTUS decision is monumental; not only because it restores and upholds our Constitutional right to self-defense, but because it comes at a time in which Congress is prepared to further restrict our 2nd Amendment right.

If the New York law violated the Second and Fourteenth Amendments, which "protect an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home," the government can’t restrict what type of guns we buy or the size of the magazine capacity, either.

For decades the Left has gotten away with rampant violations of the Constitution; like arrogant children, who continue to push the limits of their misbehavior with the expectation that their parents would never catch on. But now they’ve finally been caught. This is why the Left is outraged.

The SCOTUS decision exposes the Left as the lawless frauds that they are. It reveals their true intentions to prevent Americans from defending themselves. And it stole the momentum they’ve built from exploiting recent tragedies to justify their unconstitutional gun grab.

As Congress attempts to legislate away our 2nd Amendment right, the Supreme Court just put the Left on notice.
 

Zachowon

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Abortion is a complicated issue for both sides of the aisle; men and women.

See, I'm pro-choice within reason, but my main issue is with how cavalier a lot of people are with it, as well as how men are actually shafted hard.

If a woman is raped and doesn't want to keep the baby? I agree that she should terminate if she wanted to. A man raped and the attacker became pregnant as a result? He should get a deciding vote.

If a couple is unable to care for a child or do not want to be parents, and after discussing it in-depth they decide to terminate? I'm personally fine with that because they understand the gravity of what they're doing e.g. not allowing a human life to come to fruition, and they made the personal choice to go through with it.

I fully agree that if there's a medical reason why a fetus should be aborted, like it or the mother not surviving/coming to term, it should be done with consent.

Hell, I even feel empathy for the tiny, tiny percentage (like 0.00001%) of people who do use birth-control but it fails that have to make this terrible decision, too.

People need to understand the gravity of the decision they're making when deciding to abort or not. A human life won't exist.

However, a lot of women who go for abortions? The majority of the ones shrieking their heads off like chickens seeing a snake after this ruling? They're the fucking morons who think abortion is just a convenient method of birth-control over condoms and the Pill.

"Oh, I have an 'Oopsie Baby!'? One visit to the clinic and I'm free and clear to be used as another random man's cum-dumpster!"

They're what we like to call Cock Carousel Riders, since they pretty much act like unpaid prostitutes. And, sadly enough, this sort-of behavior starts in their late teens in this day and age.

"I've had twelve abortions since I was eighteen! I'm twenty-four now! I feel so empowered!"

Women do and should have autonomy of their bodies, but, again, they need to understand the gravity of abortion. These CC Riders do not or refuse to take personal accountability.

And, on the other side, you have men; what if the man wants the kid but she doesn't? Should she bring it to term, be compensated, and sign away rights so he can raise it on his own or with another partner? What about adoption?

What about those women who, by legal definition or by actuality, rape men by tampering with birth-control (holes in condoms) or actually directly sexually assault them e.g. when drunk, asleep, et cetera to get pregnant? Though, thankfully when the male birth-control jab is perfected, a lot of these women's plans would go up in smoke.

Depending on the situation, the mother either has the full right to take the chance of being a father away by termination or by forcing him to be a walking ATM for eighteen years, if he didn't want the child but she did.

sigh However, there's no clear-cut answer for either conundrum -- I find arguments on both sides a bit repugnant, especially those who believe that a woman's womb is basically property of the government (yes, there are people out there who believe this) or that they should be forced to bring a baby to term no matter the circumstances.
This is pretty much my out look with my wife feeling tje same way.
I feelblike a lot now other systems need to be changed as well to accommodate this as well.
Like the adoption system
 

Zachowon

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She wasn't a service member, so the USMJ didn't apply to her and it did to him, is my understanding of what the excuse was at the time of why she got away with it and he got the shaft.

Nevermind the guy she cheated on my buddy with never got any punishment, and she got all my buddy's benefits.

But nah, we are supposed to trust that the USMJ and JAG is any less corrupt, or open to corruption, than anything else that comes out of DC. We're supposed to not point out how the USMJ and JAG are both used for partisan and personal reasons at the whim of commanders.

Which is why we should not trust the USMJ or JAG officers to not fuck up abortion situations/laws in the military, now that they cannot fall back on RvW and the only laws relevant are state-level.
It's the UCMJ, and IG and JAG are separate entities......

But I should note that the second the female married a service member she is a to fall under the UCMJ...
 

Jormungandr

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Most who are anti-abortion though would argue that's the wrong way to see it. In their eyes, it's not that a potential human life won't exist; you're just straight up murdering a child when you get an abortion.
I can see this too, but that also ties into the whole "when is it a child and not just a clump of cells" argument.

Either way, murder or just preventing it from coming to term, it's still not allowing a human life to come to be.

It's complicated.
 

Morphic Tide

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I wonder what will happen when the supreme court stops tolerating this shit?

Highest court in the land, if they start purging people for not doing their jobs....
I don't think they can, actually, since they don't do sentencing.

Now, compromising prosecutorial discression so the corruptocrat DAs can be pinned to the wall if any law enforcement in the jurisdiction is willing to make the arrest, and revising/removing Qualified Immunity so the law enforcement corruptocrats have their ass on the line... maybe. Depends on their control over judicial proceedure.
 

Stargazer

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I can see this too, but that also ties into the whole "when is it a child and not just a clump of cells" argument.

Either way, murder or just preventing it from coming to term, it's still not allowing a human life to come to be.

It's complicated.

I actually don't think it's all that complicated. A human life already exists, and unjustly killing a human life is wrong and evil and should be illegal. No matter the location of that human life.
 

Batrix2070

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I actually don't think it's all that complicated. A human life already exists, and unjustly killing a human life is wrong and evil and should be illegal. No matter the location of that human life.
The problem is that the solution to this is frighteningly simple, that is, either they are humans and we don't kill them, thus not opening any Pandora's box and instead focusing on improving medicine. Or we don't, and then we start asking ourselves where the line is to eventually find out that there isn't one.
It's just that people make life unnecessarily complicated for themselves and others every time in these situations instead of saying Yes Yes, No No.
We like to say that there is no black and white but only shades of gray. And I say, that's bullshit. There is nothing in gray, and it's this kind of thinking that causes so many problems. Instead, we should look at black and white not as extremes in which only gray is true, but as the beginning and end of the colors of life in which gray is one of many colors along with red, yellow, and so on. That is, was, and will be the correct answer, but too many people like to complicate things to be able to bend the rules and feel blameless.
Or at least that's how I see it. And this dispute is one of those where it's either that or the other. No compromise will work for long because such two conflicting worldviews will not long endure a state in which they do not eventually dominate the other. It will be either red or green. For example.
 

Jormungandr

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I actually don't think it's all that complicated. A human life already exists, and unjustly killing a human life is wrong and evil and should be illegal. No matter the location of that human life.
In principle, yes. Those clusters of cell would develop into a human life if everything goes to plan, and destroying them would be stopping a human from coming into being.

However, at that point it's still, technically, a cluster of cells. A blueprint. It's not a person but will develop into one. That's the distinction.

When it goes from being a cluster of cells to a person is the point of contention. Is it when neural activity first starts in its few brain cells? When its heart starts beating? When it has a chance of surviving on its own? When it has most of its organs in place, even if they're not fully-formed?

Either way, even if it's viewed at just destroying a clump of cells or killing a person, the result is the same: it stops a person from coming into existence. It should never be taken lightly, regardless of why and if you're pro-life or pro-choice, and no matter what the parents' choices end up being (keep, abort, adopt., et cetera).

It's a terrible, serious choice.

That's the gravity of the situation people tend to overlook, ignore, or just don't understand -- especially dumb women who can't or won't keep their legs closed without using a fucking condom or the Pill, and thinking it's just another form of birth-control on those levels.
 

Sobek

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I have noticed that many pro-choice people have completly abandoned the "is the fetus a human" argument. They are not even trying. It's just "my body my choice" and that's it. When you press them for limits they just make up more and more ludicrous scenarios to support a complete lack of any barrier to abortion, to the point I had some degenerate claim we need it so 13yo girls who vet pregnant at school can get rid of it without their parents knowing.
 

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