SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade
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I don't think it'll get that far...as egregiously subverted as the military is, there's enough IQ points left for them to not be so stupid. At least I hope.
The smart move right now would be to do what they did to General Mcchrystal for dunking on Biden and Obama. If they actually did that, then Jesus Christ.
Yeah, this requires a second unamerican activities panel.
There needs to be some...no a lot of firings, revocation of pensions and benefits and general overhaling of the Pentagon after this. Shit like this has to be addressed harshly and ruthlessly.
Uh...
No police have jurisdictionon a militarybase. They can come to drop off say, soldiers, but even then they arnt able to arrest people.
Military bases are basically thier own cities. They run themselves. If a local police force tried to get on base for anything not related to criminal matters to work with the CID, they would not be allowed through the gate. Of they tried to go through they would be stopped.
Also, state guards are not military forces.
Read below...
I am telling you that everyone is also taking it out of context.
Austin said "Nothing is more important to me or to this Department than the health and well-being of our Service members, the civilian workforce and DOD families. I am committed to taking care of our people and ensuring the readiness and resilience of our Force. The Department is examining this decision closely and evaluating our policies to ensure we continue to provide seamless access to reproductive health care as permitted by federal law."
So...yeah
The military cannot on its own, decide to be a be a political animal.
To do so, is seditious and undermines the Republic.
And again, it is basically Austin covering ass so they can day "We tried"
Simonbob
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That's a public statement of support for one side of politics, as well as pretty blatently saying they'll mostly ignore a decision handed down by one of the arbiters of "federal law", otherwise known as the Supreme Court.
That's unashamely political, Zach. It's picking a side, and it's pretty open about it.
Look, if there was a quiet change, where women in the service could get short transfers for "medical reasons", and they didn't make a big deal of it, I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't complain much. It wouldn't be choosing a side, and it wouldn't smack of ignoring laws they don't like.
This is not something reasonable like that. Not even close.
Circle of Willis
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I mean, to my understanding, the three branches of American government aren't the Army, the Navy and the Air Force but rather Congress, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. And they certainly haven't put together a federal law on abortion despite there being a Dem trifecta in the executive & legislative branches because, as I said before, the last time they tried it (right before Roe v. Wade was overturned) the Democrats went way too far for the moderate likes of Manchin and Collins to go along with what they were trying to pass.
So there's literally no federal law to speak of on the subject and any 'criminal matter' would be determined by the state law which, in these red states, would overwhelmingly either ban abortion under any circumstance aside from the mother's health being endangered or severely limit when it can be done (pre-heartbeat, etc.) and under what circumstances (rape, incest). Unless SecDef Austin can pull 'actually unlimited abortion is the law of this land after all, no matter what the Supreme Court and the states literally just said' out of his ass (which would make him the military dictator of the United States), I don't see what legal foundation the military could possibly have here.
Well the Wiki article's very first line on state defense forces goes as thus...
But alright, if they won't do, then let's say the National Guard. (Which I'm sure Biden can federalize, leaving the Guardsmen with the choice of whether to go along with his order or refuse to abet baby-murder on their soil in contravention of their state laws despite it not being a violation of federal law because, again, there is no federal law. Talk about accelerating civil conflict!) It doesn't really matter who the state sends anyway because I'm still not seeing any basis for Austin & the military to ignore state laws in this regard outside of a Pompeian 'stop quoting law, we have
No, it's Austin and the Pentagon signalling that they will not respect state laws on abortion restrictions.
Because the fact is, there is no Federal law on abortion, only a patchwork of state laws; that is why Roe was a thing in the first place.
So the military does not have a Federal law to fall back on for instruction, only local state laws. Which is where the state level authorities attempting to arrest someone for violating state laws on abortions via trying it on a military base come in.
Guys, you're getting worked up over what the Pentagon said. This is basically them just stamping their feet. How many women actually serve in the armed forces? Probably less than a million? So less than 1% of all women in the country? Many of whom, probably don't want to abort their kids for shits and giggles?
You just won a staggering victory, don't get riled up over something so stupid.
You just won a staggering victory, don't get riled up over something so stupid.
Pompeii sure was smart for doing what Lloyd Austin just did.
That totally preserved the Roman Republic and more importantly the massive corporate entities and foreign lobbies and trade barons that he was in reality fighting so hard for.
Totally.
How the hell can the Pentagon be this stupid.
then again they have a troon as a joint chief so.
That totally preserved the Roman Republic and more importantly the massive corporate entities and foreign lobbies and trade barons that he was in reality fighting so hard for.
Totally.
How the hell can the Pentagon be this stupid.
then again they have a troon as a joint chief so.
This, this precisely.
There is no Federal law for the military or Pentagon to fall back on here, now the Roe is gone, and that means it defaults to the states.
If the military feel they do not need to respect state versus federal separation of powers/laws, or civilian control of the military when it comes to domestic policy...we are in for rather bad times.
The thing is.
Soldiers are federal property. And if the military really wanted to one could claim that abortions keep the federal property from, insert X reason, and have them be a thing.
And no state can overrule what the mikitary base says, and state rules do not apply on a military base if the base commander says so.
Vice versa as well.
For instance, Texas is a constitutional carry state.
Can't do that on the base. No sheriff can override the base.
All I am saying is states have no legal rights on a military base and vice versa.
Bacle, there are two ways I see this.
Either they're going to allow abortions on Federal Land* or they're going to ship people to other states to get the procedure. They can't just roll up to an abortion clinic or a hospital in the state, get an abortion, laugh, and drive off. That's not how it works. Primarily because it would be illegal for those care providers to do it.
*And if you have a problem with that, that's fair, but you first need to address the issue of Federal Land, what are its limits, and where it should be located before you complain that they do things you don't like on Federal Land. Federal Land belongs to the Feds, even if it's located within your state.
Well, not unless they want another Fort Sumter.
When the Pentagon announces they're opening abortion clinics to the general public on bases in pro life states in contempt of the will of the public on those states... well... that's when shit gets real, not really beforehand.
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Simonbob
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The way this was said, the attitudes it showed, that, in many ways, is the biggest problem.
I'm not sure millatary law has anything on abortion, and I'm told there's no general federal law covering it, so so far it's been on Roe Vs Wade, and that's gone. If the response was "We're now rethinking what we're going to do about this, under the new legal setup." nobody'd blink.
Saying they're straight up looking to ignore the law they don't like, well, that freaks us out, and it should freak you out too.
posh-goofiness
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Lol, no they can't say that at all. This logic explicitly would allow the military to just take servicemen's children and forcibly induct them into the military at birth. Or experiment on them. Or give them away to their pedophile bosses.
Sweet fuck, I knew you were shill, but I never thought you were this much a dog of the military.
I kinda blanked and glossed over that part of his response because it was too hard to imagine he'd say that.
A lot of military women I know, entered the services pro choice and left pro life and I've even had one or two of the more schizopilled ones tell me "Having healthy and strong children is one step in rising to meet the crippling logistics and manpower crisis that will impact all western nations soon"
Used to think they were nuts...but...
Bro, we fought a whole civil war where 650,000 people up and died to disabuse the Government of that very notion.