Breaking News Violence resumes in Hong Kong.

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Captain-General said:
Unfortunately, if there's crushing the strongholds in the universities, it's just a matter of time now.
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I wonder how the police in Hong Kong feel; they have to know that being complicit in the violence against their fellow countrymen is going to cause everyone in Hong Kong to fear and despise them long term. They can pretty much kiss any personal connections outside of their workplace and immediate family goodbye, and I would not be surprised if said family become targets for all the pent-up rage that cannot be expressed towards the enforcers themselves, or at the very least are avoided at all costs by everyone around them. It won't even matter whether or not a particular police officer can be traced to the crackdown on protesters; the masks just makes all of them equally guilty for every atrocity committed.
 
@Terthna
They will feel betrayed, from themselves, from their friends and neighbors and lastly their employers. The Chinese Government.

The latter of which will probably send large numbers of their own men to replace and/or reinforce them

Their families and themselves may now have to live far away from Hong Kong itself, just to be safe.....they may even essentially be blackmailed into continuing their jobs if they don’t want their families hurt
 
Terthna said:
I wonder how the police in Hong Kong feel; they have to know that being complicit in the violence against their fellow countrymen is going to cause everyone in Hong Kong to fear and despise them long term. They can pretty much kiss any personal connections outside of their workplace and immediate family goodbye, and I would not be surprised if said family become targets for all the pent-up rage that cannot be expressed towards the enforcers themselves, or at the very least are avoided at all costs by everyone around them. It won't even matter whether or not a particular police officer can be traced to the crackdown on protesters; the masks just makes all of them equally guilty for every atrocity committed.
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Wrong what makes them complicit is simply that thier duty is to protect the community. Yet they are standing with a tyrannical government and opressing those they swore to defend. Cowards is what they are plain and simple. Harsh but true
 
Lanmandragon said:
Wrong what makes them complicit is simply that thier duty is to protect the community. Yet they are standing with a tyrannical government and opressing those they swore to defend. Cowards is what they are plain and simple. Harsh but true
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Argel Tal: I have never pretended to be anything but weak, Kharn. I don't enjoy war, yet I fight. I don't relish torture, yet I inflict it. I don't revere the gods, yet I serve their holy purpose. Humanity's weakest souls will always cling to the words "I was just following orders". They cower behind those words, making a virtue of their own weakness, lionising brutality over nobility. I know that when I die, I'll have lived my whole life shrouded by that same excuse.
Kharn: So will I. So will any Space Marine.
 
Terthna said:
They can pretty much kiss any personal connections outside of their workplace and immediate family goodbye
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You would be surprised how many people just don't give a damn about it, even within HK. They will be reviled by big part of the community there, but it will be a shrinking portion of population, due to mainland immigration and media propaganda.
 
PsihoKekec said:
You would be surprised how many people just don't give a damn about it, even within HK. They will be reviled by big part of the community there, but it will be a shrinking portion of population, due to mainland immigration and media propaganda.
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It’s a rather unique way to deal with a population you are oppressing, send in another population that agrees almost entirely with your political ideaology and decisions and make sure they know how all they need to keep getting benefits’ to bow down to the guys responsible

Eventually people won’t even realise that Hong Kong’s population disappeared and was replaced
 
PsihoKekec said:
You would be surprised how many people just don't give a damn about it, even within HK. They will be reviled by big part of the community there, but it will be a shrinking portion of population, due to mainland immigration and media propaganda.
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Then I suppose the only consolation remaining is that they'll have to suffer under the same oppressive yoke the rest of Hong Kong will, once China asserts full control over them. Do you think any of them will look back, years from now, and regret their actions?
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
It’s a rather unique way to deal with a population you are oppressing, send in another population that agrees almost entirely with your political ideaology and decisions and make sure they know how all they need to keep getting benefits’ to bow down to the guys responsible

Eventually people won’t even realise that Hong Kong’s population disappeared and was replaced
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Not unique at all it's standard. For example when the Dorian Greeks colonized a place. They would kill all the men and marry the women. This took place literal millenia ago
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
It’s a rather unique way to deal with a population you are oppressing,
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Actually, transplanting loyal population to disloyal areas has been done for milenias, Rome did it, it's how Han population expanded to current borders, Brits did it in the Empire... Party doesn't even need to do much in this regard, there already is economic migration to Hong Kong, all they need to do is offer some incentive for these transplants to be actively loyal citizens.

Terthna said:
Do you think any of them will look back, years from now, and regret their actions?
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Given human capacity for self delusion? Unlikely for most of them.
 
Terthna said:
Then I suppose the only consolation remaining is that they'll have to suffer under the same oppressive yoke the rest of Hong Kong will, once China asserts full control over them. Do you think any of them will look back, years from now, and regret their actions?
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They will and they will see the cycle repeat, because tyrants adapt and change tactics to pretend to side with and promote the underdogs, no one will think it right to fight them until they are actually attacked

Say, anybody here ever read Travis J Corcoran’s Aristillus? This is my prediction, in-regards to the centralization of the world....if you run away and make your own space, they will find you, they won’t call it conquest or conquering, they will call it liberation

You may think it would be a hassle or problem for them to reach you, but eventually the distance will close, what made the American Revolution necessary and possible was tbe sheer distance between it and Britain

With the net and long range transport, they will use Sam Porter Bridges to more easily take over
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
It’s a rather unique way to deal with a population you are oppressing, send in another population that agrees almost entirely with your political ideaology and decisions and make sure they know how all they need to keep getting benefits’ to bow down to the guys responsible

Eventually people won’t even realise that Hong Kong’s population disappeared and was replaced
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Yeah, I suspect they got that idea from history, and from the demorats of the USA as well as the traitors in charge of the EU. Local population starts acting up? Just import as many obdient future votes as possible.
 
Urabrask Revealed said:
Yeah, I suspect they got that idea from history, and from the demorats of the USA as well as the traitors in charge of the EU. Local population starts acting up? Just import as many obdient future votes as possible.
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Naw as I mentioned about This is standard practice. The truth is it was America's responsibility ws the leader to stop China's and thier eveik decades ago. We have failed in this duty in various fashionse. As an American I truly aplogize for our lapse in coverage and foresight I'd say it wouldn't happen again but my nation's geen infected with cowards and degenerates. So I can't truthfully say well ve tye shield we should. I can hope my son and his peers qre better men but can't guarantee it. So I'm left with nothing more than shame and an empty apology for our moral failings. I'm truly truly sorry brothers.
 
@Lanmandragon
That may or may not change in the future

I predict the rise of Libertarianism, there will be many “uncivilized barbarians” around, trying to be sort of away from one another or away from greater society

“The Belters on The Expanse are a hard-hitting deconstruction of this. The no-margin-for-error conditions of deep space have produced that bizarre combination of civic pride and steadfast independence prized by this philosophy, with Belters instinctively looking out for each other rather than crying to the authorities when something breaks; they fix problems — by any means necessary — as they happen. However, the nasty side of this is that they're prone to vigilantism, which can manifest in heroic actions like aiding in the assault on Thoth Station, morally grey actions such as the summary murder of administrators who won't keep the air filters clean, and villainous ones such the indiscriminate spacing of refugees from the Inner Planets.
Miller: When I was homicide, there was this guy. Property management specialist working a contract out of Luna. Someone burned half his skin off and dropped him out an airlock. Turned out he was responsible for maintenance on sixty holes up on level thirty. Lousy neighborhood. He’d been cutting corners. Hadn’t replaced the air filters in three months. There was mold growing in three of the units. And you know what we found after that? Not a goddamn thing, because we stopped looking. Some people need to die, and he was one. And the next guy that took the job cleaned the ducting and swapped the filters on schedule.”

These Libertarians will be the Barbarians of Robert E Howard to the “Not-Real”!Communists who are his idea of “Civilized Folk”
 
PsihoKekec said:
Libertarians can only be a short lived phase, people naturally gravitate towards hirearchies, which bring forth the rules/laws to fortify the said hirearchies.
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Yeah, it will start off small, say a 1% tax and probably laws to keep some people from establishing businesses that have a portion of the populace up in arms over things like Ahegao Shirts....then soon more and more centralization occurs
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
@Lanmandragon
That may or may not change in the future

I predict the rise of Libertarianism, there will be many “uncivilized barbarians” around, trying to be sort of away from one another or away from greater society

“The Belters on The Expanse are a hard-hitting deconstruction of this. The no-margin-for-error conditions of deep space have produced that bizarre combination of civic pride and steadfast independence prized by this philosophy, with Belters instinctively looking out for each other rather than crying to the authorities when something breaks; they fix problems — by any means necessary — as they happen. However, the nasty side of this is that they're prone to vigilantism, which can manifest in heroic actions like aiding in the assault on Thoth Station, morally grey actions such as the summary murder of administrators who won't keep the air filters clean, and villainous ones such the indiscriminate spacing of refugees from the Inner Planets.
Miller: When I was homicide, there was this guy. Property management specialist working a contract out of Luna. Someone burned half his skin off and dropped him out an airlock. Turned out he was responsible for maintenance on sixty holes up on level thirty. Lousy neighborhood. He’d been cutting corners. Hadn’t replaced the air filters in three months. There was mold growing in three of the units. And you know what we found after that? Not a goddamn thing, because we stopped looking. Some people need to die, and he was one. And the next guy that took the job cleaned the ducting and swapped the filters on schedule.”

These Libertarians will be the Barbarians of Robert E Howard to the “Not-Real”!Communists who are his idea of “Civilized Folk”
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I have no opinion on "liberatarism" or whatever. I just know about duty ad honour. Based on that i know my anscetors and thier leaders accepted the mantle of leadership. By doing so they accepted the responsibility to check the evils if communism. Me and my generation have failed in this task utterly and it makes me ashamed. It really does. Power lines with reasoinsibility. We've failed to keep up with it.
 
Lanmandragon said:
I have no opinion on "liberatarism" or whatever. I just know about duty ad honour. Based on that i know my anscetors and thier leaders accepted the mantle of leadership. By doing so they accepted the responsibility to check the evils if communism. Me and my generation have failed in this task utterly and it makes me ashamed. It really does. Power lines with reasoinsibility. We've failed to keep up with it.
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Well, problem is that this leadership with responsibility, are in a way, thought of as Gods, that they are instant successes because they were given the power to do something vague or specific
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Well, problem is that this leadership with responsibility, are in a way, thought of as Gods, that they are instant successes because they were given the power to do something vague or specific
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No the issue is my nation accepted the power and wealth as hegmon. (Ie father and protector) Yet we refuse to take the blows to destroy evil. If we (America) had embargoed China immideatley after the soviets (greater threat at the time) had fallen. Instead of being greedy we could've stopped them dead in thier tracks. Instead due to mostly greed WE built a world-class economy. It's an American failure and it makes me ashamed as it should. Perhaps we'll correct it but I doubt it more and more.
 
I'm sure being former American colony was such a big positive Philipinnes, not to mention the well developed gun private gun ownership in Japan and South Korea.
 
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