Definitely gonna see some Rangers investigating this....beyond the normal officer involved shoot stuff.
United States Texas shooting: Fifteen killed in attack on US Elementary School
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this is the kind of shit that gets your ass canned real fast.
Nothing will happen.
Cops have done this in other cases too. And nothing happened. They aren't liable. They did nothing criminal. There's a very good chance they can't be fired because of a union contract. Even if they are fired, they might get hired a town over, or move and get hired there.
All of this is what happens all the time when an actual bad cop is identified. They are nearly impossible to get rid of. That's independent of the times cops close ranks around a wrong doer. And doesn't include all the fucked up shit that we never learn about.
This is one reason why qualified immunity needs to end. This is why police unions are just as bad as teacher unions.
Cops have done this in other cases too. And nothing happened. They aren't liable. They did nothing criminal. There's a very good chance they can't be fired because of a union contract. Even if they are fired, they might get hired a town over, or move and get hired there.
All of this is what happens all the time when an actual bad cop is identified. They are nearly impossible to get rid of. That's independent of the times cops close ranks around a wrong doer. And doesn't include all the fucked up shit that we never learn about.
This is one reason why qualified immunity needs to end. This is why police unions are just as bad as teacher unions.
I'm afraid you might be right. But we shall see in the end.
posh-goofiness
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You know, 2 years on and I never thought I'd side with the defund the police movement. I may not agree with their reasoning but wow, the end result still seems the same. Christ.
What do you all think of moving back toward Sheriff department only law enforcement? Viable?
What do you all think of moving back toward Sheriff department only law enforcement? Viable?
In my area we have town police. But everyone really just called the Sheriff's Dept because they actually get on site faster.
And this would be why I think public sector Unions ought not to be legal.
Granted I go to an extreme on that in that I don't think public employees should be allowed to vote until they retire.
posh-goofiness
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I ask because they're elected. Which means this shit will absolutely get the department shitcanned. Like @Abhorsen said, the police department ain't going to catch shit from this. They'll look like they will, but in reality, it's just going to be swept under the rug. Again.
If you look at past News reports here in SC. When a member of the police fucks up they get canned. If they commit a crime they go to jail. Say what you want about SC but SLED does not play.
And this is why I was hopeful at the beginning of BLM. I thought it might result in some actual police reform. Because make no mistake, the race grifters know which button to push, because it's a real button. But little reform has happened. Rand Paul's
Not a full solution, sadly. The elected sheriff is a good start, but that usually still results in an entrenched culture where the only people elected are law enforcement from the same culture. And in a bad culture, the rot still stays till something really, really ugly happens. Then it's too late, the kids are already dead.
I mean, not a bad start, but no where near good enough.
Basically, people respond to incentives. The cops? They had little incentive to go in, and a lot of incentive not to. Same with cops who violate rights: why not? What's their incentive not to violate them with qualified immunity?
We need to change the incentive structure. Which is why personal liability for violating your duties as a cop is important. A cops first job needs to be respecting people's rights, not 'public safety', not 'catching the bad guy', and certainly not 'following orders'. You enforce this by getting rid of qualified immunity for all state actors. It's a complete judicial invention that needs to be gone yesterday.
A lot better but then again the sheriff system was actually designed to enforce the law and answer to their townships and counties. They used to be required to go around and hang out in local saloons and taverns and shit and many of them were also card dealers and the like on the side which meant they were involved in their neighborhoods and in the lives of the people they served.
If you look at how municipal law enforcement was set up its basically a case where the upper class and city bosses would usually create an order of cannon fodder to keep the middle class from raging at them too much over public safety.
I forget the name of the book but an Obama speech writer wrote a book about 7 years ago on the history of the LAPD and he started as a big ACAB type and midway through the book his tune changed and he was basically horrified at how it went.
For example they would go and find people with IQ points so low they were barely above being classified as retarded. Barely pay them a dime, took illiterate people off the streets, forced them to pay for their own uniforms etc.
It was basically an early form of welfare for the disabled it was so bad. You had Chiefs like Parker in the 1950s who tried to reform the LAPD, but the systemic rot and corruption endemic to city police departments comes from that.
They were never about law enforcement, they were essentially a welfare scheme set up to keep various political factions in power while throwing the one voting base that could oust them a dry old bone.
So yeah a bunch of SPEDS being used as cannon fodder are going to fall in on themselves, protect themselves and start acting like the gangs they're forced to fight.
Tldr: city cops suck because there's no difference between Officer Bob and Tamika with 9 kids, 4 baby daddies and a criminal record as long as she is fat and a crack problem.
They have the same propensity for emotional problems, often times the same crippling reading comprehension and literacy problems and often times the same IQ issues.
Reklos
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So Representative Kevin McCarthy, the current minority leader of Congressional Republicans, suggested a solution to prevent a horrific shooting like this from ever occurring again. Is it to add more security systems to our schools? Allow cities to deputize citizens who are willing to protect our children and their schools? Give states a budgetary increase in their mental health services? No. It instead is to reduce the number of doors in our schools.
www.newsweek.com
Kevin McCarthy Says COVID Funds Should Be Used to Reduce Doors at Schools
McCarthy said COVID-19 funds should be redirected to "allow the schools to use that to have one central point of entrance to protect these kids."
www.newsweek.com
So Representative Kevin McCarthy, the current minority leader of Congressional Republicans, suggested a solution to prevent a horrific shooting like this from ever occurring again. Is it to add more security systems to our schools? Allow cities to deputize citizens who are willing to protect our children and their schools? Give states a budgetary increase in their mental health services? No. It instead is to reduce the number of doors in our schools.
Kevin McCarthy Says COVID Funds Should Be Used to Reduce Doors at Schools
McCarthy said COVID-19 funds should be redirected to "allow the schools to use that to have one central point of entrance to protect these kids."
Does he not realize the number of doors are used for Fire exits in case of a fire at school????
Reklos
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Apparently not. Because "We need to reduce the doors in our schools!" is becoming a talking point within the Republican Party instead of actually doing something.
Aaron Fox
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... this is just fucking deplorable, and just yesterday my former high school had a genuine (i.e. not a drill) lockdown because of a school shooting threat... and what happened here would have happened if my town's police weren't on the ball.
At this point, I have to completely question the validity of the 2nd Amendment (though, the reality would be quite hard to swallow for people here), especially since it has consistently caused sorrow at this point.
At this point, I have to completely question the validity of the 2nd Amendment (though, the reality would be quite hard to swallow for people here), especially since it has consistently caused sorrow at this point.
I hope he gets voted out of office for gross stupidity.
If it wasn't for the 2nd Amendment I would have been Carjacked twice in the Greater Charleston SC area. I would rather have my guns thank you very much.
King Arts
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Why does everyone keep shitting on the second amendment? If we could stop school shooters by ripping up another part would that be ok? Cause guess what we could copy the Nazi method and just execute anyone with mental health issues and that would remove school shooters. It would also improve the gene pool I’d prefer that over banning guns.
The second amendment isn't the problem and frankly your kids are gonna be in even greater danger if you surrender your guns than not.
There'd be nothing between them and those who would do them harm and the government right now quite literally wants them raped and drugged.
So don't fall for the psyop. The 2A isn't the problem and it isn't even about self defense any way its about granting the citizenry the right to overthrow corrupt governments.
This has nothing to do with the 2A.
These shooters are a symptom of a culture that's become diseased.