Yes, but the military mandated the use of the anthrax vaccine even though that was actually an experimental vaccine at the time, and the use of it "only when deploying to risk areas" was a policy change that happened only because the manufacturer wasn't able to deliver enough vaccine to continue the original policy which was mandatory full vaccination service--wide.
Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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Yes, but the military mandated the use of the anthrax vaccine even though that was actually an experimental vaccine at the time, and the use of it "only when deploying to risk areas" was a policy change that happened only because the manufacturer wasn't able to deliver enough vaccine to continue the original policy which was mandatory full vaccination service--wide.
Not it is for all FORSCOM
strunkenwhite
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Sure. But I think the point being made is that contrary to what you said:
if you forget for a second about the specific case of COVID where you think mandatory vaccination is not justified, history shows that when mandatory vaccination is justified, the mere fact of said justification being publicly available is not always enough to convince people to get said vaccine.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I just watched your threads and comments and QAnon believers seem more reasanoble and sane than YOU.
AnimalNoodles
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Like literally dozens if not hundreds of SUVs are being donated to Ukraine.
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Ford And Chevrolet Each Send 50 Vehicles To Ukraine For Humanitarian Efforts | Carscoops
Each automaker partnered with Maersk to ship the vehicles into the countrywww.carscoops.com
GM gets dozens of SUVs across Ukraine border to help move people
GM responded to Ukraine government plea by delivering dozens of big SUVs to the country amid the war. The trucks will move people out of harm's way.www.freep.com
ZOMG Convoys of Luxury SUVs being imported for Billionaires to Joyride around in a warzone instead of the three thousand Abrams tanks Biden promised!!!!1
Putin Please Bomb Us! I'm outraged!
I thought ever victorious Ukraine was flush in vehicles siezed from the fleeing Russians?
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Well there you go thinking again...
Yeah, I mean im told the russians are losing, yet they are advancing, im told the ukrainians are full of NATO wonderwaffe and captured Russian equipment and are winning winning winng, yet they are forced to beg for civilian vehicles to move supplies and convert into technicals.
There you go thinking again. Who exactly told you this because it wasn't me yet you quoted me when I was discussing something completely unrelated.
Because civilian vehicles and all of this are being sent to support the ever growing amount if troops the Ukrainaisna re getting.
Much more tjem the Ruskies
I know the Colorado Dept of Transportation actually has at least 1 M60 it uses for avalanche control work in the San Juans.
It's a lot nicer working conditions than backpacking charges in, and cheaper than dropping them from a helo.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
We were still using M60's in desert storm, The modernized versions are still pretty good tanks.
Turkey does make a pretty awesome upgraded version that is probably better than the Abram's for urban fighting, with the 25mm secondary turret giving it a way to clear rooms or take out light vehicle's without needing a main gun round or burning up a lot of machinegun ammo.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
There was also this proposed version back in the day, Although the Sabra is probably better.
The problem is what the Ukrainians need is SPAAGs and air power; the Donbas is getting hammered because they have no AA protection at the moment.
They need those Polish MiGs, and they need them yesterday.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Those MiGs would be too little. They would also need a full air defense network to back them up as their exiting ADS got badly attritted. And even that wouldn't turn the tide in Donbass as the biggest killer there is artillery, while Ukrainian artillery is still strong enough to take a toll, the Russian artillery still outguns them by several orders of magnitude and the catch is that between their stocks and production, the Russians can keep up their artillery ammo consumption indefinitely, while Ukrainian depots are getting depleted and the NATO stocks and production just can't keep up.
Another factor is that while every time Russians replace a frontline unit, sure it is good to celebrate it on the internet as glorious Ukrainian victory, but the cruel reality is that while Russia can afford to pull units off the frontline for R&R, Ukraine can't. Shattered platoons and companies are amalgamated into scratch units and continue their service on the frontline without break, worn out survivors waiting for their turn to be torn apart by artillery, just like their comrades before them.
Another factor is that while every time Russians replace a frontline unit, sure it is good to celebrate it on the internet as glorious Ukrainian victory, but the cruel reality is that while Russia can afford to pull units off the frontline for R&R, Ukraine can't. Shattered platoons and companies are amalgamated into scratch units and continue their service on the frontline without break, worn out survivors waiting for their turn to be torn apart by artillery, just like their comrades before them.
strunkenwhite
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Could you elaborate on Russia's ammo production being more than all of NATO?
Makes sense.
M60s were used by Marines then, and the M60 has been fully replaced by all forces with a few NG units still having them
The A3 TTP and the A1 Rise are also good modern updatedvarients of the M60.
More comparable to a T72 then a T62 though.
Eh, the 25mm isn't always the best, when the Abrams has 3 machine guns one being a 50
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
I can't find the article anymore but there was a mention some years ago that russian peacetime production of artillery rounds from 120-152 mm outstripped production of artillery ammo in NATO countries from 105 to 155 mm by four times (don't know about rockets). Russia also still has considerable stockpiles, despite number of depots exploding and disposing of much of improperly stored ammo, while stockpiles in NATO countries are minuscule.