Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Seems fairly obvious at this juncture that the "War in the Donbass" is a feint to fix Ukrainian troops in place for the real offensive. If Russia wanted to steamroll the Ukrainians in the Donbass they could but their goal is to grind them down.

Keep in mind the Spring Mud will dry soon and then the Russians will launch their true offensive... Towards Odessa as has always been the goal. They don't care about the Donbass. All of the signs point to a Odessa offensive to link up with Transnistria and that arid terrain.

What's amazing about Deep Battle Doctrine of Russia is that even if that stalls... Which it won't, but hypothetically if it did, that too is a feint for the real objective... Which always was the Left Hook from Belarus down into Northwestern Ukraine.

Keep in mind Belarusian forces are untouched and with the Ukrainians distracted in the South and East they won't be able to move whatever troop remnants are left on devastated infrastructure to Northwestern Ukraine in time because of the forests and swamps... Which also means Ukraine won't defend that area as well due to terrain. But we've seen in the Winter War that trees and swamps won't stop Russian forces!

This the Russian forces will sweep in from the North, take over Western Ukraine and then do what is known as an operational pause for the real strike.

With Polish and German and NO ATO stocks depleted and critical gaps in air defense forward deployed into Eastern Europe, Russia will formally declare War on Ukraine as a cover to mobilize fully but instead of mopping up Ukraine, use those forces to sweep into Poland and the Baltics, taking out S300 and forward deployed Patriot Batteries in opening barrages. Warsaw in a week. Berlin in a Month.

Suck my Tefteli.
 
Well, the truth comes out, no?
What truth comes out?
I told marduk that I am biased pro-Russia and anti-EU/collective west/neocon/globalist/neoliberal, like he is biassed pro everything that is anti-Russia, months ago.
Have I ever hidden the fact?
If you are not paying attention, then maybe the problem lies with you.
 
What truth comes out?
I told marduk that I am biased pro-Russia and anti-EU/collective west/neocon/globalist/neoliberal, like he is biassed pro everything that is anti-Russia, months ago.
Have I ever hidden the fact?
If you are not paying attention, then maybe the problem lies with you.

Let me explain it for you.

Mocking Ukrainian female war refugees, objectifying them as "meat", describing them as the sort of women you'd love to inflict your potential rape fantasies on....in addition to other disgusting comments you've made in not just this thread but other threads.

Does that clear it up for you?
 
Aww, ain't that cute, the pathetic White Knight is defending the honor of nazi larper hoes.
Playing keyboard warrior won't get you anything from them, try and search for their onlyfans. 😂

Also, you have been mislead, ask the admins why your first little white knighting attempt didn't work or check the relevant subforum, I have no desire to put my dick in or on mentally ill, nazi whores, turn them into pig food or fertilizer - maybe, decent enough thermal treatment should deal with any and all viruses, bacteria or prions.
I mean.
Every Russian is a commie and my book amd commies arnt human yet I dint talk about thier women like thar
 
Better to be a prostitute in a safe country than to be a non-prostitute in a war zone, the logic goes. Though ideally no one should actually be forced to choose between these two things. :(

It’s not even that they’re choosing to do it…it’s that they’re being *coerced* by people claiming to be helping to aid refugees who turn out to be selling them -and in some cases their children- for sex. Otherwise known as “human trafficking” and “sexual slavery.”
 
It’s not even that they’re choosing to do it…it’s that they’re being *coerced* by people claiming to be helping to aid refugees who turn out to be selling them -and in some cases their children- for sex. Otherwise known as “human trafficking” and “sexual slavery.”

In this case, there are obviously other, better and safer ways to escape, but in some other cases, making a deal with a human trafficker might be the only way that one is actually able to escape a war zone or a shithole country, unfortunately.
 
In this case, there are obviously other, better and safer ways to escape, but in some other cases, making a deal with a human trafficker might be the only way that one is actually able to escape a war zone or a shithole country, unfortunately.

But that’s just it, they don’t know. And no, being sold into honest to God chattel slavery is never preferable to fleeing a war zone -at least in the former you can run away.
 


Good vid on the roots of the war, how things got to where we are, and what the future might hold.


Question: Had the West offered Ukraine non-NATO security guarantees before the start of this war (something like "We'll commit in writing to using military force to protect you if Russia attacks you, but without formally making your a NATO member"), would that have actually been enough to get Ukraine to give up its NATO aspirations and for this war to be avoided? Or would Russia have also made other demands on Ukraine, such as giving the Donbass veto power over Ukraine's future domestic and foreign policy direction (Russia's version of "federalization" for Ukraine)?

I'm asking because some Russian nationalists, such as Anatoly Karlin, view NATO expansion as a smokescreen and view Russia's main interest in Ukraine being acquiring as much of Ukraine's human capital as possible so that Russia would become stronger. Anatoly Karlin argues that NATO's borders being close vs. far away to Russia doesn't matter all that much in the ICBM age.
 
Question: Had the West offered Ukraine non-NATO security guarantees before the start of this war (something like "We'll commit in writing to using military force to protect you if Russia attacks you, but without formally making your a NATO member"), would that have actually been enough to get Ukraine to give up its NATO aspirations and for this war to be avoided? Or would Russia have also made other demands on Ukraine, such as giving the Donbass veto power over Ukraine's future domestic and foreign policy direction (Russia's version of "federalization" for Ukraine)?

I'm asking because some Russian nationalists, such as Anatoly Karlin, view NATO expansion as a smokescreen and view Russia's main interest in Ukraine being acquiring as much of Ukraine's human capital as possible so that Russia would become stronger. Anatoly Karlin argues that NATO's borders being close vs. far away to Russia doesn't matter all that much in the ICBM age.
See, the West did provide non-NATO security assurances to Ukraine in the 90's when they returned the Soviet nukes to Russia.

2014 proved said assurance's meant little to nothing for a long time.
 
See, the West did provide non-NATO security assurances to Ukraine in the 90's when they returned the Soviet nukes to Russia.

2014 proved said assurance's meant little to nothing for a long time.

The West didn't actually promise in writing to go to war for Ukraine's territorial integrity in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, though--did it?
 
The West didn't actually promise in writing to go to war for Ukraine's territorial integrity in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, though--did it?

No. What the Budapest Memorandum promises in writing is that the signatory powers -- the US, UK, and Russia -- will respect certain commitments towards the three countries in the memorandum, and shall "Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments".

Ukraine has sought to convene such an official consultation four times since the 2014 conflict; Russia has declined to be available for consultation.
 
Question: Had the West offered Ukraine non-NATO security guarantees before the start of this war (something like "We'll commit in writing to using military force to protect you if Russia attacks you, but without formally making your a NATO member"), would that have actually been enough to get Ukraine to give up its NATO aspirations and for this war to be avoided? Or would Russia have also made other demands on Ukraine, such as giving the Donbass veto power over Ukraine's future domestic and foreign policy direction (Russia's version of "federalization" for Ukraine)?

Wouldn't have done a fucking thing. If the sudden and violent shift from "they will greet us with flowers" to "THEY RESISTED RODINA SO THEY MUST BE GENOCIDED UNTIL THEY COME TO HEEL" didn't tip you off, Russia was going to settle for nothing less than slavery for Ukraine, similar to what Belarus suffers.

Ukrainians have chosen to live free and die rather then serve as slaves.
 
Wouldn't have done a fucking thing. If the sudden and violent shift from "they will greet us with flowers" to "THEY RESISTED RODINA SO THEY MUST BE GENOCIDED UNTIL THEY COME TO HEEL" didn't tip you off, Russia was going to settle for nothing less than slavery for Ukraine, similar to what Belarus suffers.

Ukrainians have chosen to live free and die rather then serve as slaves.
Seems more like live free, and make Russian's die for Putin in embaressing and novelly stupid ways.

Ukraine is giving back far beyond what I think most anyone expected when the tanks rolled through Chernobyl.

Speaking of which, there was no excuse for not telling their troops where they were; those poor bastards who dug in the Red Forest probably had maps from the 70's, before the explosion.
 
Seems more like live free, and make Russian's die for Putin in embaressing and novelly stupid ways.

Ukraine is giving back far beyond what I think most anyone expected when the tanks rolled through Chernobyl.

Speaking of which, there was no excuse for not telling their troops where they were; those poor bastards who dug in the Red Forest probably had maps from the 70's, before the explosion.

Worse. If they'd just left the damn ground alone and brought decent MOPP gear or their own equivalent, and done proper decon procedures they might have been okay? Digging into the ground to form trenches in the Red Forest where all that fallout shit had accumulated? Those poor bastards are screwed.
 
Better to be a prostitute in a safe country than to be a non-prostitute in a war zone, the logic goes. Though ideally no one should actually be forced to choose between these two things. :(
It's a sad state of affairs but the consequence of a war.

I remember the insensitive words of some Chinese about the war taking advantage of hosting young women in exchange for sexual favors/companionship. They got shit for it but it happens and when the war was in it's early phase the Chinese living in Ukraine got shit for that that too.

However as reality goes it happened. Don't know of Ukranian refugees in China but Poland it's there and the other reports.



For the men there's the lucky that were overseas or got out to not be drafted to die and the unlucky of the many young taken to get shot at as the many gory photos of dead is shared online.

For the women there's all kinds. The lucky are those getting all the things needed to continue life safely with EU stimmies, maybe some use tinder or whatever stands for young woman activity including adultery through social networks possibly for a breadwinner or valuable citizenship like one screenshot I saw of an Ukranian women who's married but is no long in love with their husband and wants out.

The more unlucky is the ones taken to sell themselves for prostitution and life goes on.
 
More Ukraine War Meme'ery



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Much Star Wars related of course...

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Uh...the Russian MOD has claimed over 30 something TB2s have been shot and only like 4 have actually been shown, and 1 or 2 of them have been reused to show supposedly shot down ones.

I take even more then a grain of salt from them compared to that of the Ukrainian MOD.
Time will tell.
 

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