ShadowsOfParadox
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I mean... let's be real here, if the Federation encountered the Goa'uld they'd be in full scale war the next week.
I mean... let's be real here, if the Federation encountered the Goa'uld they'd be in full scale war the next week.
Dude... they would deal with Goa'uld-infected individuals by simply phasering them out of existence.
Or they'd find a way to mass-kill them without harming any of the people. I forget the name of the relevant TOS and TNG episodes.
Frankly, the Federation would get curb-stomped.I mean... let's be real here, if the Federation encountered the Goa'uld they'd be in full scale war the next week.
...I am 99% sure you are massively overselling the Goa'uld here.Frankly, the Federation would get curb-stomped.
The addition of Naquadah throws that comparison out the window. Power levels are on par with Federation if not higher in potential.The Goa'uld seem to be a fusion level of civilization while the Federation is an anti-matter level of civilization. Much like how the Goa'uld really couldn't do much to the Asgardians.
2. Larger number of ships
Anubis's supersoldiers would waste the ground forces of most Alpha and Beta quadrant powers
The real wild card would be who the Dominion side with; the Gouald are not a threat to Changlings the same way they are to humans, at least in terms of having their body taken over.
Nope. They have enough ships to just plain swamp the Federation, and, if there is a tech disparity, it's in favor of the Goa'uld.
Granted, but we also have weird numbers for the Federation. Wolf 359 was considered to be a devastating defeat for the Federation that gutted much of the Starfleet, and only involved, from what we saw, dozens of ships.don't actually know if that's the case. System lord fleets top out at a few hundred, and that was late in the series when power had consolidated under a handful of system lords (or occasionally even just one), early on a fleet of dozens of ships was a huge formation by system lord standards. The system lord fleet might be heavier on average, being almost entire composed of cruiser equivalent ships like the Ha'tak*, but I don't think it's got anywhere near the numbers starfleet does.
Stargate's hyperdrives are reliably faster than Trek's Warp drive. And while you CAN argue for the Slingshot maneuver, that's not something that can be used for fleet actions or regularly at all. I'm all for reminding folks the Starfleet ain't above using Time Travel cheats, but that has ALWAYS been reserved for last ditch hail marry situations, not a conflict that while nasty, they have a lot of potential avenues to exploit without falling back on that.Who has FTL drive that goes faster?
This doesn't mean those would be ineffective against Starfleet. The single most powerful ship to ship weapon seen in the TOS days was just a thermal plasma torpedo as deployed by the Romulans (TOS: Balance of Terror), and the Romulans, a definite technological peer power of the Federation, continued to use Plasma Torpedoes as a weapon up through the Dominion War (DS9: Shadows and Symbols). As such we cannot assume that just because they are using "simple" plasma weapons those weapons would be ineffective.Goa'uld weapons seem to be purely thermal - bolts of plasma. Nothing exotic like phasers or disruptors.
I think one thing we can all agree on is that Deathgliders are just a joke to Starfleet though. Pretty sure the average Starfleet SHUTTLE is better than a Deathglider.
Not how it looks to me.
Personal force-fields are nice, but the Borg have better ones. Every time we've seen a Goa'uld use them, he had to stand still while powering it. And they don't share those nice toys with their mooks
Nope. They have enough ships to just plain swamp the Federation, and, if there is a tech disparity, it's in favor of the Goa'uld.
And something as technologically advanced and organized as the Federation will be enough to unite ALL of the Goa'uld factions against the Federation. The UFP is a Clear and Present Danger to them.
From what I understand by the end of the Dominion war the UFP had something like 45,000 ships left and the Dominion at one point maintained 120k strong fleet with only three shipyards in the AQ.
The UFP also incorporating fighters, which can carry full torpedo yields, against these Ha'taks will also make up for the difference in firepower.
1) Not shy about bioweapons usage to pacify/punish planets. This could be a real nightmare for the UFP if someone like Nirrti is given free reign to...play with conquered/unpacified planets. UFP medical tech is good, but some of Nirrti's shit was rather hardcore, and if she gets any Fed tech to play with, oh boy...
2) Baal isn't stupid and has not drank the 'I AM A GOD' kool aid, innovates faster than most snakes, and is not above negoatiation if it will save him ships/hassles/Jaffa. Once Baal gets his hands on a replacator, the Goauld are likely to see a decent, if slow, tech boom.
3) Anubis has some knowledge of the Alterans, and thier tech. Unless they follow him into this ST universe, Anubis may no longer be forced to limit his tech usage to things he could only have knowledge of before he ascended. If Anubis no longer fears the Alterans limiting him, he may come up with some real nasty shit, fairly fast. Like say creating ZPMs to help boosted System Lord firepower.
Federation fighters almost certainly do not carry full sized or full yield torpedoes, given that a 14 meter long craft obviously does not have space to carry a bunch of meter long missiles or a launcher for them, and they can't carry them as external ordinance as torpedoes cannot propel themselves without a launcher (as shown by Year of Hell). Most sources, such as the DS9 TM and STO, clarify this by giving fighters smaller mirco-torpedoes that they could actually fire, which also deals with dialogue from the shoe suggesting they are armed with torpedoes. Smaller, lighter torpedoes further suggest starfleet fighters are not effective in a anti-capital ship role, which the show also backs up as it took multiple sqaudrons making repeating attack runs to disable cardassian ships in Operation Return, when a full sized ship with full sized weapons can do so much faster.