What If? Stargate vs Star Trek

Carrot of Truth said:
Is the Federation remotely as advanced as the Asgard?
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They have more people with practical common sense than the Asgard do. Rememeber the Asgard asked for help from Humanity because and you can quote Sam Carter. "We were too dumb to use the same tactics the Asgard were using to fight the Replicators." Shoot Kirk and crew have taken on beings that would make Replicators shit themselves and defeated them not by superior tech but by using superior tactics and common sense. The Asgard were literally to Smart to think outside of the box thus they were losing to a Trek Villain of the Week.
 
Sailor.X said:
They have more people with practical common sense than the Asgard do. Rememeber the Asgard asked for help from Humanity because and you can quote Sam Carter. "We were too dumb to use the same tactics the Asgard were using to fight the Replicators." Shoot Kirk and crew have taken on beings that would make Replicators shit themselves and defeated them not by superior tech but by using superior tactics and common sense. The Asgard were literally to Smart to think outside of the box thus they were losing to a Trek Villain of the Week.
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I always forget about that point in the series, I mostly just remember when the Replicators finally got serious and they needed a deus ex machina super weapon to beat them.
 
Well Stargate factions definitely have a dramatic speed advantage over the Federation with interstellar trips across the Galaxy being average and in the case of factions like the Asgard and later Earth intergalactic trips are made trivial.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
Well Stargate factions definitely have a dramatic speed advantage over the Federation with interstellar trips across the Galaxy being average and in the case of factions like the Asgard and later Earth intergalactic trips are made trivial.
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Quantum Slipstream is a thing in Star Trek post 2401. As in Federation ships that can engage that ability.
 
bintananth said:
Transwarp was even earlier. 2285 if Scotty hadn't sabatoged it.
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Maybe. We don't actually know if the excelsior transwarp drive ever ended up working correctly (aside from the TNG TM saying it didn't work), and if it did there's no evidence that the excelsior transwarp was the same as borg transwarp.

Ex Astris Scientia has suggested that given the timing of the warp scale recalibration between TNG and TOS, it's possible that the excelsior transwarp did work, and simply became the standard warp system going forward.
 
Battlegrinder said:
Ex Astris Scientia has suggested that given the timing of the warp scale recalibration between TNG and TOS, it's possible that the excelsior transwarp did work, and simply became the standard warp system going forward.
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I always preferred that explanation. It fits the timeline well and would make sense given that the Excelsior class went on to become the standard bearer for the Federation for the next 50 years or so.
 
I still am not sure if slipstream is remotely as fast as Asgard hyperdrive when not towing anything they made a trip from their home galaxy to earth in like seconds.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
I still am not sure if slipstream is remotely as fast as Asgard hyperdrive when not towing anything they made a trip from their home galaxy to earth in like seconds.
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Really doesn't matter since the enemy factions don't have hyperdrives as fast as the Asgard. And Quantum Slipsteam is faster than Goa'uld Hyperdrive.
 
S'task said:
I always preferred that explanation. It fits the timeline well and would make sense given that the Excelsior class went on to become the standard bearer for the Federation for the next 50 years or so.
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I wouldn't quite say it makes sense that because the experiment worked, the excelsior class therefor went on to be the big new federation design. It's hardly unheard of for a design to be rolled out for some specialized role, fail, but go to widespread use anyway because it's good enough.

Sailor.X said:
Really doesn't matter since the enemy factions don't have hyperdrives as fast as the Asgard. And Quantum Slipsteam is faster than Goa'uld Hyperdrive.
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If we're talking about STO time frame slipstream, I'm not sure if we know that. The only information we have outside of gameplay is from one of the lore blogs, which notes the Enterprise is one of the few ships fast enough to go from Earth to Bajor in time to assist in the battle there, but there's no firm time given for how long it actually took to get there, aside from the point when he got the call to when the ship left spacedock was 15 minutes (and so the in-game time for the battle probably can't be trusted, since the fight would be over by the time the Enterprise actually arrived).
 
Battlegrinder said:
I wouldn't quite say it makes sense that because the experiment worked, the excelsior class therefor went on to be the big new federation design. It's hardly unheard of for a design to be rolled out for some specialized role, fail, but go to widespread use anyway because it's good enough.



If we're talking about STO time frame slipstream, I'm not sure if we know that. The only information we have outside of gameplay is from one of the lore blogs, which notes the Enterprise is one of the few ships fast enough to go from Earth to Bajor in time to assist in the battle there, but there's no firm time given for how long it actually took to get there, aside from the point when he got the call to when the ship left spacedock was 15 minutes (and so the in-game time for the battle probably can't be trusted, since the fight would be over by the time the Enterprise actually arrived).
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We know from DS9 that it takes about a week or so to get from Earth to DS9. For the Enterprise to do it in way way shorter of a time points to the QS Drives of the Federation are really fast. The Goa'uld take days just to get from one side of the Galaxy to another. In one Voyager Episode it took way less time for Voyager to get to the very edge of the Beta Quadrant before it crashed. The Delta Flyer made it all the way to Earth. And that was the cobbled together with chewing gum and bailing wire QS Drive. Not the one the Starfleet Corps on Engineers to 2 decades to make.
 
Sailor.X said:
We know from DS9 that it takes about a week or so to get from Earth to DS9. For the Enterprise to do it in way way shorter of a time points to the QS Drives of the Federation are really fast. The Goa'uld take days just to get from one side of the Galaxy to another.
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"Really fast" is a bit vague. Luckily, we can actually pin this down a bit better by measuring on the in game map. On my screen, I measure the distance from Sol to Vulcan to be 3.5 cm, and from Sol to Bajor as 18.6 cm. As Vulcan is canonically located in the the 40 Eridani system 16.5 light years from Earth, the map is scaled to 4.7 light years per centimeter, and that means the distance from Sol to Bajor as 87.4 light years (this doesn't factor in 3D movement, but it's close enough).

Shon covered that distance in....let's say ten minutes. That works out to about 4.5 million times the speed of light, according to this handy little calculator.

Unfortunately for the Federation, crossing the 100,000 ly wide galaxy in 4 days means a Gould ship doing that is hitting a speed of about 9 million times the speed of light, and even if it takes a bit longer they're still faster.


Sailor.X said:
In one Voyager Episode it took way less time for Voyager to get to the very edge of the Beta Quadrant before it crashed. The Delta Flyer made it all the way to Earth. And that was the cobbled together with chewing gum and bailing wire QS Drive. Not the one the Starfleet Corps on Engineers to 2 decades to make.
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You're assuming the two drives must be comparable, and that the newer one must be better. That's not really justified. Given how unstable and dangerous the original was, it's entirely possible the new drive is much more limited in order to keep it safe and stable. The fact that it can only run for so long before it's forced to shut down, and the newer ships have drives that can run for longer or rengaged faster backs that up.
 
Goa'uld Hyperdrives are only able to go 32,000 times the speed of light. That is the max for the Standard Hataks. Anubis's ship was a one off that had tech he did not share.
 
Sailor.X said:
Goa'uld Hyperdrives are only able to go 32,000 times the speed of light. That is the max for the Standard Hataks. Anubis's ship was a one off that had tech he did not share.
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Per the wiki, that is not the case, he upgraded a number of ships not just his flagship. Which makes sense, as his flagship often traveled with an escort fleet and they would need improved hyperdrive in order to keep pace with the flagship.
 
Battlegrinder said:
Per the wiki, that is not the case, he upgraded a number of ships not just his flagship. Which makes sense, as his flagship often traveled with an escort fleet and they would need improved hyperdrive in order to keep pace with the flagship.
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I forgot to put the S behind ship when I made the post.
 
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