Arlos
Sad Monarchist
Both side also seems to have some Opsec, unlike most conflict in recent years.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
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The one positive thing about this Russian invasion might be that Stepan Bandera statues will likely soon be coming down throughout all of Ukraine.
Amen.Pity,that Putin would replace it with some soviet butchers.Althought...those who survived gestapo and was taken by soviets told,that they were worst - but even soviets do not personally tortured children to death.UPA did so.
P.S it would be nice,if UPA and soviet lovers killed each other.
ON ANOTHER TOPIC - did anybody knew what kgbstan really take except Charnobyl? for now,we have propaganda on both sides.
Floridaman
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because in most conflicts in recent years the insurgents didn’t war opsec as their goal was to inspire lone wolfs To commit attacks for their cause, no one is going to do that for either Ukraine or Russia.
Yep, absolutely. Let's see just how much of a resistance, either active or semi-passive (think Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s), the Ukrainians will subsequently put up under Russian occupation.
Anyway, it's quite interesting. Russia has been on a roll over the last 25 years:
2000s: Defeated the Chechen separatists
2008: Crushed Georgia
2014: Annexed Crimea and saved the Donbass separatists from total destruction
2016: Got Donald Trump elected US President
2022: Invaded Ukraine and will likely overthrow the existing Ukrainian government
AFAIK, Putin is more of a Tsarist lover than a Soviet lover. He actually dislikes Lenin for giving Ukrainians and other peoples the nominal right of secession:
Vladimir Putin accuses Lenin of placing a 'time bomb' under Russia
Russian president blames revolutionary’s federalism for break up of Soviet Union and creating ethnic tension in region
www.theguardian.com
Perceptions matter more than reality, as they will in 2024.
Interestingly enough, both Putin and Assad understand the demographic game very well. Putin will be absolutely delighted if millions of pro-Western Ukrainians will emigrate since that means less potential subversives within Ukraine. Ditto for Assad in regards to Syrian Sunni Arabs, whom he is not welcoming back into Syria if they have already fled:
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
The West is much stronger than Russia (excluding nukes), but only if it is united and is actually willing to fight. Nowadays, the West appears to be full of war-weariness.
As Russia attacked Ukraine, Trump again praised Putin and ridiculed Biden.
In a speech to donors and on Fox News, the former president claimed the crisis would not have happened if he were still in the White House.
I'm not disputing that, but there's a difference between being war-weary of drawn-out occupations half the world away for some vague strategic goal nobody can even articulate properly (at least from the POV of the population) and defending your own borders or backyard from an invasion force.The West is much stronger than Russia (excluding nukes), but only if it is united and is actually willing to fight. Nowadays, the West appears to be full of war-weariness.
As Russia attacked Ukraine, Trump again praised Putin and ridiculed Biden.
In a speech to donors and on Fox News, the former president claimed the crisis would not have happened if he were still in the White House.www.nytimes.com
Well, the West isn't willing to fight for Ukraine. That's all that matters to Putin for the time being.
Floridaman
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Because they need to take all territory in the route to kiev from Belarus, otherwise if they have troops in and around Chernobyl then they can attack behind the lines.I wish to knew,why they taken Czarnobyl.There is nothing except radiation there.And if something happen,they would be blamed.
Well,maybe really thera are mutants there
Well,good explanation.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
In a straight up conventional war the US military even in its current state will absolutely wreck any potential adversary, Pointing towards things like Afganistan in that regard is being disingenuous in regards to its capabilities at a stand up fight.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Provided the US throws enough resources but it's the US that has to mostly flip it all from afar. And the likes of Russia or China are close by and don't have to lean out, they just have to throw the Americans out. The whole US Doctrine is expensive as hell, while Russia goes for a rather more rational Cost/Effect ratio. It is no longer the USSR which can afford deep operations, it is a country with demography destroyed by communism.
Frankly speaking, Ukrainians can afford losses and protracted war even more than Russia.
Because it's honestly no art to develop a plan for a quiet year or so, then bomb your target to hell because you do. After all, the Russians were playing with the West's noses all the time until they suddenly attacked Ukraine. Surprising almost everyone. And we still don't know what the hell they're talking about, because I don't really believe Putin's gibberish.
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
I'm legit surprised by the level of discipline displayed by the Russian soldiers towards civilians given that they are conscripts.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Russia's army stopped relying that heavily on conscripts a while back, a lot of them are professional, something IIRC like 1/3 of all units.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Did you know it's not hard at all to get discipline into your heads? And especially with the world watching, they can't afford to make stupid mistakes. If he pulls some stupid stunt, they'll probably make an example out of him why it's forbidden to do that.
Floridaman
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If you mean his justification he is leaning on the fact that groups like the azov battalion a group of neo nazis that are actually connected with atom-waffen had a role in the 2014 revolution/coup and went from being a militia group to an official part of the national guard to claim that by invading he is denzaifying Ukraine. He is playing to his people’s memory of ww2 while mocking our idiots who see hitler under every bed.