United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Megadeath said:

Trump had 4 years to do what you say should have been done before he even came to office. If the problem is that 4 years isn't enough to engineer it, it's stupid to be mad that Biden couldn't manage it in less than one year like he had to to meet trumps capitulation.

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Trump was trying to do it peacefully. He even had everything ready. A deal with the Taliban to allow us to leave. The proper way to leave, everything. Even leaving in the very early if summer when the Taliban are at thier weakest during the fighting season.

Yet, Biden decided to say fuxk it, and pull us out and decided to listen to the Taliban instead of making his own demands.
Last I checked there were Americans being held hostage in A-stan because Bidens state department not letting private people bring private people back.

Megadeath said:

No, I'm not trolling. I'm using grumpy and shitty rhetoric coz it's the best I get from anyone here so I'm not going to try harder outside of PM'S where people make an effort.

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Say your a troll without saying your a troll. ☝

Spacebattles Moderators everyone. One of them comes here to troll because they can't do it (outside of Staff forums I guess and whatever Slack or Zoom crap they use) on their own forum. 🤗

Megadeath said:

Seriously? Because, ya know, last time America decided to throw money and man power at the idea of destroying the Taliban it worked SO FUCKING WELL? The decision to try exactly that is exactly what lead to this moment! Do you really think that the Taliban are scared of pissing off America? They've just shown pretty fucking conclusively that they can survive a couple decades of American ire if they think their goal is worth it.

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Except the last time America didn't throw manpower and money at the idea of destroying the Taliban.

That whole thing with Afghanistan and the Taliban? That was America minimum efforting a thing. Unless you really think 20,000 is the maximum number of troops the US can deploy to a place?

Marduk said:

Some wanted to keep making money on being middlemen in paying Afghanistan to protect itself.
Some wanted to keep making money on pushing woke causes in Afghanistan and having US government pay for it.
Some are just making preemptive argument to let all the Afghans move to the west while still sending money there for "humanitarian" reasons.
And some don't care about any of the above, just pissed that the withdrawal was poorly organized and delayed, not that it happened or that the Taliban took over after.

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Well, you're kinda right there. Though there's others you're leaving out.

Zachowon said:

Trump was trying to do it peacefully. He even had everything ready. A deal with the Taliban to allow us to leave. The proper way to leave, everything. Even leaving in the very early if summer when the Taliban are at thier weakest during the fighting season.

Yet, Biden decided to say fuxk it, and pull us out and decided to listen to the Taliban instead of making his own demands.
Last I checked there were Americans being held hostage in A-stan because Bidens state department not letting private people bring private people back.

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"Trump even had a deal with the Taliban" but "Biden decided to listen to the Taliban." You really need to recognise that those are the same thing. Not even figuratively, but that the pull out was managed the way it was to match the prior agreement, even with an extended deadline. You're legit saying Trump planned to pull everyone out sooner and that's good and nothing would have gone wrong, whereas Biden took longer but somehow rushed things and in doing so fucked them up?

Husky_Khan said:

Say your a troll without saying your a troll. ☝

Spacebattles Moderators everyone. One of them comes here to troll because they can't do it (outside of Staff forums I guess and whatever Slack or Zoom crap they use) on their own forum. 🤗

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So... Again, go find my SB posts. There's jack shit on politics, and nothing in months. It's no surprise that you're so attached to tribalistic bullshit but it's sad all the same. If you want better from me try a little harder than lame character assassination yourself.

Vaermina said:

Except the last time America didn't throw manpower and money at the idea of destroying the Taliban.

That whole thing with Afghanistan and the Taliban? That was America minimum efforting a thing. Unless you really think 20,000 is the maximum number of troops the US can deploy to a place?

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And they'd throw more effort into punishing them for this than for that? I'd actually like to believe that's true, but it's not. The response to 9/11 is about the most we can hope for short of war with China or Russia. America would not work harder to punish an attack on Kabul airport than they did in the war on terror.

Megadeath said:

Well, you're kinda right there. Though there's others you're leaving out.


"Trump even had a deal with the Taliban" but "Biden decided to listen to the Taliban." You really need to recognise that those are the same thing. Not even figuratively, but that the pull out was managed the way it was to match the prior agreement, even with an extended deadline. You're legit saying Trump planned to pull everyone out sooner and that's good and nothing would have gone wrong, whereas Biden took longer but somehow rushed things and in doing so fucked them up?


So... Again, go find my SB posts. There's jack shit on politics, and nothing in months. It's no surprise that you're so attached to tribalistic bullshit but it's sad all the same. If you want better from me try a little harder than lame character assassination yourself.


And they'd throw more effort into punishing them for this than for that? I'd actually like to believe that's true, but it's not. The response to 9/11 is about the most we can hope for short of war with China or Russia. America would not work harder to punish an attack on Kabul airport than they did in the war on terror.

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Biden decided to give the taliban a lost of names of those who helped us because they said they would get them safe passage.
Next thing we know one is hanging from the bottom of a helicopter

Megadeath said:

"Trump even had a deal with the Taliban" but "Biden decided to listen to the Taliban." You really need to recognise that those are the same thing. Not even figuratively, but that the pull out was managed the way it was to match the prior agreement, even with an extended deadline. You're legit saying Trump planned to pull everyone out sooner and that's good and nothing would have gone wrong, whereas Biden took longer but somehow rushed things and in doing so fucked them up?

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We still had Bagram in May.

It had more runways, so flights could have gone faster, was more defensible, and was under our control.

Megadeath said:

And they'd throw more effort into punishing them for this than for that? I'd actually like to believe that's true, but it's not. The response to 9/11 is about the most we can hope for short of war with China or Russia. America would not work harder to punish an attack on Kabul airport than they did in the war on terror.

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If they had attacked the Airport like was suggested? Biden wouldn't have had a choice but to go full in in wiping them out.

DarthOne said:

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Losing a football game to the Army is worse than losing a warship with all hands in some Navy circles.

bintananth said:

Losing a football game to the Army is worse than losing a warship with all hands in some Navy circles.

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And they started our losing to the AF so...not good

Predict the fate of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley:
A.) Resignation in disgrace

B.) Fired by President Biden

C.) Court-martialled in disgrace

D.) He stays put

bintananth said:

Losing a football game to the Army is worse than losing a warship with all hands in some Navy circles.

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Something tells me Naval Academy's coaching staff likely gets fired including the Football Coach.

49ersfootball said:

Predict the fate of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley:
A.) Resignation in disgrace

B.) Fired by President Biden

C.) Court-martialled in disgrace

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D.) Nothing happens to him.

Rocinante said:

D.) Nothing happens to him.

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We'll find out soon enough.

Something may happen to him as he is a useful scapegoat. Remind the Joint Chiefs who they work for. Because they could pull the same shit with this president.

I actually think C.
Court marshal.
He has pissed off a lot of the Military

I agree with @Rocinante about it. Nothing will happen.

Keep in mind that the requirement for a Court Martial is that the higher commander has to approve the formation. Since the next higher commander to the CJCS is the SECDEF, followed by the President, and the current President has indicated no interest in pursuing it, the matter will be dropped, officially. I'm sure it'll remain a talking point in the NSC and HSC (as well as Congress and the Media), but there's no UCMJ authority in those deliberative bodies.

Panzerkraken said:

I agree with @Rocinante about it. Nothing will happen.

Keep in mind that the requirement for a Court Martial is that the higher commander has to approve the formation. Since the next higher commander to the CJCS is the SECDEF, followed by the President, and the current President has indicated no interest in pursuing it, the matter will be dropped, officially. I'm sure it'll remain a talking point in the NSC and HSC (as well as Congress and the Media), but there's no UCMJ authority in those deliberative bodies.

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Could SECDEF not fire him?
And isn't this treason?

Zachowon said:

Could SECDEF not fire him?
And isn't this treason?

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It's treason alright, in spirit if not exactly matching the legal definition (we're not technically enemies with China as of yet, even though they most definitely treat us like one); but does anyone with the power to do anything about it care? I seriously doubt they do; considering the "President" himself is also closely tied to China.

But with previous things and how they were seem to be throwing him under the bus for A-stan would it not be a another thing to tack onto it?

Zachowon said:

Could SECDEF not fire him?
And isn't this treason?

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a) The SECDEF is a Presidential Appointee and serves at his pleasure, it doesn't follow that a SECDEF would go against the President's desires on a topic like this, and since he's not a Longtabber, I doubt he has much direct love at GEN Milley, if he thought there were any charges that would stick he would have already said so to the President.

b) It doesn't meet the legal definition of treason, and interpretive tapdancing to make it so isn't going to fly at a trial. He would have had to actually do something, not just talk about it.