Tell the trans-activists that.
Or the medical community who were citing that carnival.of horror for years
LGBT and the US Conservative Movement
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Or the medical community who were citing that carnival.of horror for years
I don't think troons are evil, just insane, violent and self destructive and compelled to make others like themselves by any means as a twisted form of validation.
They're no more evil than a schizophrenic that pushes a granny in front of a subway car. Just as dangerous but no more evil.
Now the ideology that enables them and preys on them is evil.
And I don't want to treat it or treat with it.
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Ok, then you're just not making much sense to me. Ideology isn't something you can "cure" with medication and therapy, either.
Let's try this again. For people who aren't deliberately trying to misrepresent my posts.
Troons = deranged, severely ill people who need to be contained, cured or held indefinitely as humanely and luxuriously as possible in some huge ass asylum out in the country with its own power plants far from civilization with plenty of room for them to explore their inner selves maintained by experts and charity.
Ideological evil = the people who aren't troons but tell troons they are "valid, brave, real men and women and the world needs to accommodate and tolerate them and your compulsion to groom minors into becoming more of you like a frontal groin abscess having version of the Borg is a natural and beautiful thing. By the way vote democrat and burn down stores"
These people need to be treated the same way we treated terrorists until we started giving them countries.
One of these things is not like the other!
Clear now?
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DarthOne
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Are you deliberately being dense? Because it’s obvious to me that’s not what he’s talking about here.
Edit: got ninja’d by @The Immortal Watch Dog right as I posted this.
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Ok. It's clear that you're kind of a monster in your own way. I don't think it's really possible for "troons" as you call them to be "cured", and your alternatives are cruel and unjust. Your attitude towards your ideological opposition is also tyrannical. Your attitude and desired course of action is fundamentally at odds with Christian values. Bringing it back to the topic of US conservatism, given that as @LordsFire said conservatism in the US goes hand in hand with Christian values, these are not viable options. You can take your attitudes and shove them, they're not welcome.
While that's true, I think the actual issue is getting obscured/poorly articulated by the likes of Watchdog.
The issue is not that all trans people are sex offenders or something, the problem is that we have sex segregated spaces for a reason, and forcing them to become gender segregated spaces instead will inevitably cause issues like that spa in LA, and indeed has consistently caused issues. Going with "Maximum Inclusion All The Time With No Limits" is not a reasonable policy, it's too open to abuse and misuse (admittedly part of why that policy was chosen was a reaction to my side pushing for it's own, equally unreasonable exclusive policy).
Wargamer08
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The British are planning on building separate prisons for their trans after the massive increase of rapes from 'female' trans in woman's prisons.
Then you have the incident you alluded to; a 'female' sex offender running rampant to the rabid protection of left wing groups.
Ah yes it's so unchristian that Christians did it for about a century and Reagan only put a stop to it because public sector Unions turned Governent run asylums into torture houses...it's so unchristian to handle people trying to destroy America. The religious right invaded, occupied and waged war in multiple foreign countries to stop enemies of the state embracing a hostile ideology for the entirety of a generation.
Hell it's so antithetical to Christians that they spent decades engaging in and funding acts of terrorism in their own country against their very neighbors which culminated in a four year Civil War whereupon they killed 600,000 in the name of Jesus and ending slavery.
Hop off your high horse, I'm saying nothing you guys haven't done and done to greater extremes and the only difference is that I do it while pointing out how tired and lazy you've all become and so that somehow makes me the bad guy.
Your position is dishonest and doomed and your conduct in this thread has been less than charitable since day one and you can't even fucking read properly because you're more interested in a moral higherground you never had than any good faith attempt at anything.
As to my attitude, wake up, it's becoming mainstream. You tired fools lost the right and the narrative belongs to us now.
El futuro nos pertenece, nuestro mandado sea hecho.
Look at what was posted immediately after.
The answer as @Alathon says, points to itself.
I fucking love Stargazers moral grandstanding because it embodies the kind of empty posturing that let this nation turn into a fallen state while it shows the ultimate truth of the conservative.
That they don't really care about truth, or Christian virtues because they'd oppose evil and act in defense of the mentally ill and sick in a heart beat otherwise but nah, they care about a fetishized leftist parody of real Christianity and will actively work against anyone trying to save America.
Hence all the posts on Janauty 6th condemning the innocent victims of FBI entrapment and the lie that Biden won fair and square.
Pedro Gonzales, Jesse Kelly and Co are right when they say the Cons have become controlled opposition .
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Wargamer08
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Nah the religious right cared once upon a time, but then they became proto SJWs, taught the left how to win and have been screwing over the rest of America ever since.
It's a tragedy really, imagine turning a thread about a legitimate issue into a soap box for your own vanity while pretending it's about defending common human decency when you're undermining that very concept.
Its a truly sad state of affairs.
Edit - Robinson knows her shit.
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Morphic Tide
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It's actually extremely important because it represents a near-total disproof of gender as pure social construct, the primary justification for treating transgenderism as a straightforward "should accept" matter of personal identity.
You're freaking hilarious.
If America has done the exact sort of thing in the past as you were describing - and that's a big if - then it was wrong. Simple as they. They were not being consistent with Christian values, values taught in the Bible. That's what my position is based on, what I hold as my moral authority, and I will defend it based on that. The difference between you and me is that I doubt you really care about anything the Bible actually says, much less hold it as your authority. That difference in starting points leads us to radically different places, even if we nominally agree on something like transgender identity not being valid.
As for my position being doomed? The future belonging to you? You are so small minded.
Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit"— yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. Instead you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that." As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 4:13-17 ESV
The future belongs to God. What if Jesus returned tomorrow? I'm sure you just scoff at the notion, and call it more grandstanding. But it's what I and many Christians believe could happen. The Second Coming is a central Christian doctrine, an event we think will really happen, in God's good timing. And on that day, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. America may be nice in some respects, but there won't be an America in the new Heaven and Earth. The future belongs to God. And it's that God that I am called to be faithful to in my words and deeds.
I don't think your proposed actions would be in the best interests of the "mentally ill and sick" to begin with, and reject your demands of how I should be acting. You are far from anything resembling a moral authority over me or other Christians. You want to talk about truth? Let's talk about reality. Let's talk about what the ultimate fate of the world and everyone in it is going to be. Let's talk about how we will be judged for our lives, and who will be judging us.
I'm all for having that conversation, because it gets down to the heart of things. If you're not interested, if you think that's all "empty posturing" then you have absolutely no business talking about "real Christianity". You're no friend of Christianity, of the Gospel.
Tell the trans-activists that.
Activists in general have been fucking things up in america for how long?
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
People suffering from sexual dysphoria (yes, I won't use "gender", as I'm not entirely sure the lefty understanding of it even exists) are really rather unwell and ought to be treated with some kindness instead of their fantasies being indulged and their illness being glorified. I'm on the Autistic Spectrum and I'd hate it to be treated in the same way as one of the worst mental illnesses of them all. I've heard too many horror stories about people detransitioning to not be concerned about the whole thing, especially now the left is pushing it on children.
I think if you gave the alphabet people a choice between sexual reassignment surgery or a pill that makes all these horrible feelings go away, the vast majority would take the pill.
I don't really believe them to be dangerous. I just think they're very sad people who are not being given the right sort of help. Even worse, they are being taken advantage of wholesale by the left and its universalism boner.
I think if you gave the alphabet people a choice between sexual reassignment surgery or a pill that makes all these horrible feelings go away, the vast majority would take the pill.
I don't really believe them to be dangerous. I just think they're very sad people who are not being given the right sort of help. Even worse, they are being taken advantage of wholesale by the left and its universalism boner.
That is a fair point; however, what I mean is that the Reimer case is directly applicable to intersex persons, and only indirectly applicable to transgender persons. But if you want to look at it that way, the Reimer case also represents a near-total disproof of the idea that gender is a choice at all, which is the huge distinction between the unlamented Dr. Money's ideological position and that held by trans people.
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In other words, Money's argument is/was that there *is* no such thing as innate/inherent gender identity, nor is there any real distinction between sex and gender. Gender is simply the social/cultural programming attached to sex, which means that dysphoria is *purely* the product of flawed or conflicted programming and a child can be freely programmed with any gender as long as it is consistently enforced.
This argument goes entirely against mainstream conservative ideology, intersex rights activism, and transgender rights activism, although it goes against them in different ways.
P.S.: Intersex and transgender rights ideology *are* distinct, although they are arguably compatible and overlap in several important ways. This is, however, generally outside the scope of the current discussion.
Christ, the king of heaven who while he walked this earth cast out the money lending vermin from his father's house and who upon his return is supposed to annihilate Satan and usher in an age of glory for his flock...would totally endorse your brand of heretical idolatry that allows evil to germinate.
Aight bro. You've gone from lying about me and twisting my shit to lying about Jesus, even fucking Shadow doesn't psyop that hard.
Pathetic.
Like I said,.you will continue to lose ground, evil will continue to flourish and when Jesus and his dad blow up the universe or we die whichever comes first, we'll see whose right.
In the meantime the rest of us are gonna keep cucking you out of control over over American right and continue fixing the country you let them ruin...
I used to believe the same thing, then I experienced first hand what it's like when one of them gets it into into head that a kid is an "egg" no matter how much that kid, mom and dad and a court of law insist otherwise...and the lengths one would go to crack said egg and how elements in our society enable it for their own ends.
Now I am a little more. Shall we say ardent.
LindyAF
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The fact of the matter is that accepting trans ideology, as you seem to, is unpopular with conservativism in the US. This has literally always been the case. This in my experience becomes markedly more, not less, pronounced within the grassroots and with religious conservatives. It's so unpopular though that even groups like "LGBTs for Trump" etc. seriously consider dropping th T. Presenting yourself as more central to US conservative viewpoints on this issue than @The Immortal Watch Dog is either obviously incorrect (and you know it to be obviously incorrect if you've spent literally any time around conservatives) or lying.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
In the discussion of the specifics of the 'T' state of being and their various medical claims and abuses, we risk losing sight of the forest -- that every letter in the QUILTBAG is, in the end, an abbreviation of 'sodomite'.
They don't start out that way, God loved them! Yet even His heart can be turned to hate by those who overtly and knowingly reject Him, those who set out to cause children to stumble for their own pleasure and glorification. There is some point when even the most kind-hearted Christian must acknowledge that a sodomite has been "given up to a debased mind, to do what ought not be done". At that point, defending those around us who are vulnerable must be our priority. Because sodomites of any variety are so fond of recruiting children with propaganda and/or rape, Christians must oppose them assertively and without fear of their inevitable retaliation.
If Conservatives wish to call themselves Christians, this is a standard they must uphold.
They don't start out that way, God loved them! Yet even His heart can be turned to hate by those who overtly and knowingly reject Him, those who set out to cause children to stumble for their own pleasure and glorification. There is some point when even the most kind-hearted Christian must acknowledge that a sodomite has been "given up to a debased mind, to do what ought not be done". At that point, defending those around us who are vulnerable must be our priority. Because sodomites of any variety are so fond of recruiting children with propaganda and/or rape, Christians must oppose them assertively and without fear of their inevitable retaliation.
If Conservatives wish to call themselves Christians, this is a standard they must uphold.