United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Assuming their crumbling house of cards holds up that long or that their control is as firm as you think.
Underestimating the lengths the Dems and their Uniparty allies in the establishment GOP will go to in order to hold onto power in perpetuity is part of why the last election could be stolen.

We never expected them to weaponize and exploit a fucking human-made pandemic to cheat on a scale never seen before; no one should ever underestimate them again.
 
Underestimating the lengths the Dems and their Uniparty allies in the establishment GOP will go to in order to hold onto power in perpetuity is part of why the last election could be stolen.

We never expected them to weaponize and exploit a fucking human-made pandemic to cheat on a scale never seen before; no one should ever underestimate them again.
Have you considered, if you truly believe the election was "stolen" and that you have so much incontrovertible proof, you can bring suit yourself? It's kinda sad that seemingly the majority of posters truly believe the election was stolen and they have tons of "evidence" of it, that it's a terrible, maybe even mortal blow to America, but not one is willing to do more than repeat the same tired talking points in an echo chamber while patting each other on the back for being smart enough to see the "truth".
 
Have you considered, if you truly believe the election was "stolen" and that you have so much incontrovertible proof, you can bring suit yourself? It's kinda sad that seemingly the majority of posters truly believe the election was stolen and they have tons of "evidence" of it, that it's a terrible, maybe even mortal blow to America, but not one is willing to do more than repeat the same tired talking points in an echo chamber while patting each other on the back for being smart enough to see the "truth".
Better people than me have tried, with cases being brought pretty much continuously from Nov 3rd till Jan 6th, and are still trying, as evidenced by the ongoing audits in multiple states.

But then again you know that already, you just want to get a jab in and look oh so smart for your fellow Far-Lefties.
 
Better people than me have tried, with cases being brought pretty much continuously from Nov 3rd till Jan 6th, and are still trying, as evidenced by the ongoing audits in multiple states.

But then again you know that already, you just want to get a jab in and look oh so smart for your fellow Far-Lefties.
Tried... And failed! So, either everyone else trying is an idiot and they've missed litterally all the super damning and obvious evidence, the entire judiciary including members appointed by Trump is part of a vast and powerful conspiracy representing more than half the population and pretty much everyone in any position of power (And at that point it's not so much an evil conspiracy as the democratically expressed will of the people.), or the evidence isn't as strong as you think and doesn't show what you think.

That is the point of my post. I honestly don't understand how you can see courts explaining and rejecting the so called evidence, see newsmax or Sidney Powell admit that there's no evidence at all and they lied about it, see recounts and audits fail to show anything, and yet you and many others talk about cheating and the election being stolen not just with confidence but the certainty of obvious fact. There's no "evidence" that hasn't been explained as a failure of understanding or outright fabrication, and if you truly believe otherwise it seems to me you'd have to be spineless and negligent not to try and make the case, rather than preach it for the choir online.
 
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Tried... And failed! So, either everyone else trying is an idiot and they've missed litterally all the super damning and obvious evidence, the entire judiciary including members appointed by Trump is part of a vast and powerful conspiracy representing more than half the population and pretty much everyone in any position of power (And at that point it's not so much an evil conspiracy as the democratically expressed will of the people.), or the evidence isn't as strong as you think and doesn't show what you think.

That is the point of my post. I honestly don't understand how you can see courts explaining and rejecting the so called evidence, see newsmax or Sidney Powell admit that there's no evidence at all and they lied about it, see recounts and audits fail to show anything, and yet you and many others talk about cheating and the election being stolen not just with confidence but the certainty of obvious fact. There's no "evidence" that hasn't been explained as a failure of understanding or outright fabrication, and if you truly believe otherwise it seems to me you'd have to be spineless and negligent not to try and make the case, rather than preach it for the choir online.
The main problem I have is the courts didn’t even hear the cases but the biggest fly in the ointment to me was when several states broke their own voting laws and jack shit happened to them let’s just focus on that specific issue why didn’t the higher courts take that case there’s no getting around that they broke their own rules and laws but somehow their votes still counts why?
 
The main problem I have is the courts didn’t even hear the cases but the biggest fly in the ointment to me was when several states broke their own voting laws and jack shit happened to them let’s just focus on that specific issue why didn’t the higher courts take that case there’s no getting around that they broke their own rules and laws but somehow their votes still counts why?
This really is the thing to focus on. All those other anomalies were fishy, and it's very suspicious that they all favored Biden..
But we KNOW states broke election laws. And nothing happened to them. No consequences.

And this isn't refutable. They broke the election laws by legislating from the bench. We all know this.
 
This really is the thing to focus on. All those other anomalies were fishy, and it's very suspicious that they all favored Biden..
But we KNOW states broke election laws. And nothing happened to them. No consequences.

And this isn't refutable. They broke the election laws by legislating from the bench. We all know this.
Because in the couple of cases where it was a legit thing nobody cared until long after, when it was felt that the changes had hurt a preferred candidate. The changes states made to election laws weren't done the night before the election, or even a few weeks out. It was months before the election. It wasn't done in secret, it was widely known and publicised. Not one single person or group made any judicial complaint at the time it was actually necessary to do so. You can't just let a change slide, then call foul if it doesn't work out well for you.

Further, whilst I do accept that what they did in a couple states was in fact against the law... So what? It made it easier for more people to vote. It didn't change the value of anyone's vote, it didn't magically add votes only for one candidate, all it did was allow the election to represent a broader segment of the population which is what a democracy is supposed to do. While law breaking is bad, those changes hardly constitute some sort of cheating or stealing.
 
Because in the couple of cases where it was a legit thing nobody cared until long after, when it was felt that the changes had hurt a preferred candidate. The changes states made to election laws weren't done the night before the election, or even a few weeks out. It was months before the election. It wasn't done in secret, it was widely known and publicised. Not one single person or group made any judicial complaint at the time it was actually necessary to do so. You can't just let a change slide, then call foul if it doesn't work out well for you.

Further, whilst I do accept that what they did in a couple states was in fact against the law... So what? It made it easier for more people to vote. It didn't change the value of anyone's vote, it didn't magically add votes only for one candidate, all it did was allow the election to represent a broader segment of the population which is what a democracy is supposed to do. While law breaking is bad, those changes hardly constitute some sort of cheating or stealing.
Those changes make the process less secure, and need to be done with the consent of the people. In other words, by their elected representatives.

"It allows more votes," is not a valid argument for breaking the law.
 
Those changes make the process less secure, and need to be done with the consent of the people. In other words, by their elected representatives.

"It allows more votes," is not a valid argument for breaking the law.
Potentially less secure, but there's no reason to believe there was any security issues, and plenty to believe there wasn't. Also, I never said it justified things, but since my argument is that the election wasn't stolen through cheating, the fact that some states broke their own laws about how to hold that election isn't really important unless you can show evidence (Which would make you the first!) that any potential security issues it created were actually exploited.
 
Potentially less secure, but there's no reason to believe there was any security issues, and plenty to believe there wasn't. Also, I never said it justified things, but since my argument is that the election wasn't stolen through cheating, the fact that some states broke their own laws about how to hold that election isn't really important unless you can show evidence (Which would make you the first!) that any potential security issues it created were actually exploited.
That's what the ongoing audits are for.
 
That's what the ongoing audits are for.
Cool, cool. So you'd be happy in the meantime to acknowledge that at present there is in fact no evidence of any kind of meaningful fraud, cheating or stealing of the election? I promise, if the audits do in fact turn up such evidence I'll be more than happy to acknowledge that in turn.
 
Cool, cool. So you'd be happy in the meantime to acknowledge that at present there is in fact no evidence of any kind of meaningful fraud, cheating or stealing of the election? I promise, if the audits do in fact turn up such evidence I'll be more than happy to acknowledge that in turn.
Not at all.

I've seen plenty of evidence, but I claimed then, and I maintain the claim now, that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't think the evidence presented so far is enough to make a legal case that the election was fraudulently stolen, and therefore did not believe the results would be overturned while this was all going on.

That doesn't mean the evidence isn't enough to convince ME personally.

I remain personally convinced that this election was fraudulently stolen, but I stand by and maintain the position that The smoking gun needed to make the legal case and overturn the election was never presented. For a claim this big to be acted on, you need such a powerful smoking gun that no one can deny it. Like a video of someone actively manipulating votes. We don't have that.

The standards of evidence for "I personally believe this," and "let's overturn the election results," are different by orders of magnitude.
 
There is evidence of Fraud. Steven Crowder confirmed there were fake addresses in Navada and Michigan at least.
Not to mention shutting down counting centers for fake leaks, ballots showing up at 3am, mysterious 100% spikes for Biden when counting wasn't supposed to be happening, boarding up windows and not allowing observers, and the fact that dominion machines are stupid easy to manipulate.

None of these are the smoking gun, but all together paint a picture that's hard to deny.

It was just never enough to win in a court
 
I wasn't a 'write off' strike where the son was killed with the father.

The kid was killed after his father, in a separate strike specifically targeting him, and Obama himself said 'well he had a very irresponsible father' as justification for the strike.
And yet the military carried out the murder of a an American citizen, a child no less, solely because of who his father was. That seems like the kind of order you're supposed to disobey, according to the policies and regulations you've insisted are in force for people in the military, but it appears that nobody at any step along the chain of command did. Therefor, you'll forgive me if I don't share your faith in them; because it seems to be based entirely on personal bias and wishful thinking.
That seems to be some chinese telephone game produced propaganda or other media shenanigans. I'm pretty sure you are referring to this one:
Two U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity stated that the target of the October 14, 2011, airstrike was Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian believed to be a senior operative in Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.[8] Another U.S. administration official speaking on condition of anonymity described Abdulrahman al-Awlaki as a bystander who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time," stating that "the U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki's son was there" before the airstrike was ordered.[8] When pressed by a reporter to defend the targeted killing policy that resulted in Abdulrahman al-Awlaki's death, former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs deflected blame to the victim's father: "I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well-being of their children. I don't think becoming an al-Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business."[9][10]
So, it wasn't Obama who said that, the airstrike wasn't even targeted at him, the reason why he died was that he happened to hang out in Yemen around AQ operatives who more likely than not were his dad's buddies. I'd say that hanging out within Hellfire blast radius of AQ operatives in Yemen dramatically increases one's chance of dying in a drone strike.
 
That seems to be some chinese telephone game produced propaganda or other media shenanigans. I'm pretty sure you are referring to this one:

So, it wasn't Obama who said that, the airstrike wasn't even targeted at him, the reason why he died was that he happened to hang out in Yemen around AQ operatives who more likely than not were his dad's buddies. I'd say that hanging out within Hellfire blast radius of AQ operatives in Yemen dramatically increases one's chance of dying in a drone strike.
Thanks Marduk
 
There is evidence of Fraud. Steven Crowder confirmed there were fake addresses in Navada and Michigan at least.
Not to mention shutting down counting centers for fake leaks, ballots showing up at 3am, mysterious 100% spikes for Biden when counting wasn't supposed to be happening, boarding up windows and not allowing observers, and the fact that dominion machines are stupid easy to manipulate.

None of these are the smoking gun, but all together paint a picture that's hard to deny.

It was just never enough to win in a court
The "fake address" claim was raised in a court case by Jesse Binnall, and found to be lacking in actual evidence. Also worth noting, most versions of that claim suggest that it was mail in votes that were effected, but the state could hardly send postal votes to people who don't exist, living at fake addresses, and if there wasn't valid voter registration the votes wouldn't count anyway.

The leak did in fact occur at state farm arena, I can't even find purported evidence that there was no leak, beyond twitter claims backed by nothing. If you've got evidence there was no leak we can consider it, but AFAIK, there was a leak, it was fixed in a couple hours, and I don't see anything suspicious in that at all.

Ballots were showing up at 3am, because counting was still ongoing at that time. I don't see what's suspicious about ballots turning up to be counted as part of the official process.

I don't know which Biden spike you're referring to specifically. There was one in the reporting from decision desk caused by a clerical error, and another that showed up because the votes from a particularly populous and anti trump area came in, but there's nothing suspicious about votes from the same place arriving simultaneously, nor in the geographical breakdown of political preference.

The boarding up of windows was done as sensitive and confidential voter information was going to be visible through said windows and that's not allowed. The not allowing observers thing has several different versions, but one lead to a court case which gave us the wonderful "non zero number of people" quote from a team trump lawyer, and in the other case I'm aware of observers were limited in number due to limited space, and required to stand a distance back that has always been required by policy and procedure.

As for the whole dominion machines thing, why don't we just ask Sidney Powell? I believe her current stance is that it was a lie so ridiculous no sensible person could believe it.
 
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The "fake address" claim was raised in a court case by Jesse Binnall, and found to be lacking in actual evidence. Also worth noting, most versions of that claim suggest that it was mail in votes that were effected, but the state could hardly send postal votes to people who don't exist, living at fake addresses, and if there wasn't valid voter registration the votes wouldn't count anyway.

The leak did in fact occur at state farm arena, I can't even find purported evidence that there was no leak, beyond twitter claims backed by nothing. If you've got evidence there was no leak we can consider it, but AFAIK, there was a leak, it was fixed in a couple hours, and I don't see anything suspicious in that at all.

Ballots were showing up at 3am, because counting was still ongoing at that time. I don't see what's suspicious about ballots turning up to be counted as part of the official process.

I don't know which Biden spike you're referring to specifically. There was one in the reporting from decision desk caused by a clerical error, and another that showed up because the votes from a particularly populous and anti trump area came in, but there's nothing suspicious about votes from the same place arriving simultaneously, nor in the geographical breakdown of political preference.

The boarding up of windows was done as sensitive and confidential voter information was going to be visible through said windows and that's not allowed. The not allowing observers thing has several different versions, but one lead to a court case which gave us the wonderful non zero number of people" quote from a team trump lawyer, and in the other case I'm aware of observers were limited in number due to limited space, and required to stand a distance back that has always been required by policy and procedure.

As for the whole dominion machines thing, why don't we just ask Sidney Powell? I believe her current stance is that it was a lie so ridiculous no sensible person could believe it.

Crowder has Choi Jr and Dave go to Nevada and Michigan respectfully to show fake addresses...

And here he calls the election office to let them know.

The election office is supposed to check to make sure the addresses are real.
 

Crowder has Choi Jr and Dave go to Nevada and Michigan respectfully to show fake addresses...

And here he calls the election office to let them know.

The election office is supposed to check to make sure the addresses are real.

Wow... So, minor clerical errors? Do you think that perhaps when the voter records talk about "Aaron Ray is the only person at 579 Jackson Ave Las Vegas, NV 89106 who is registered to vote. Aaron Ray is affiliated with the Republican Party." they might be making a minor error confusing the address with 579 Jackson Drive? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/579-Jackson-Dr-Henderson-NV-89014/7181746_zpid/ ? In fact, pretty much every example can be easily explained, as detailed here:
Nor do you have to just take my word for it! As I said, this claim was in fact raised in front of a judge and guess how that went?
 

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