No longer in the shadows, Pentagon’s UFO unit will make some findings public

Zachowon said:
I still say it is a SAP by the US because knowing our capabilities? Wouldn't put it past them
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I don't know who else would have the tech levels necessary. This is probably the most likely answer.

If not them, then china has some secret shit going on. It's possible they have stumbled across some big breakthroughs.

Either way. Tech like this will be a game changer. Imagine drones and missiles being able to fly and maneuver at those kinds of speeds. Not a single airforce in the world could stand a chance against that.

I'm just still going on about it at this point because it's just so fucking cool. I could talk about this for hours.
 
Rocinante said:
I don't know who else would have the tech levels necessary. This is probably the most likely answer.

If not them, then china has some secret shit going on. It's possible they have stumbled across some big breakthroughs.

Either way. Tech like this will be a game changer. Imagine drones and missiles being able to fly and maneuver at those kinds of speeds. Not a single airforce in the world could stand a chance against that.

I'm just still going on about it at this point because it's just so fucking cool. I could talk about this for hours.
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Might be just so hard to do there is so few
 
If it's a government then they are sitting on tech worth, literally, trillions and have scientists sitting on multiple Nobel Prizes.

One of three things is true:

1) Some type of sensor system error and/or data analysis error is causing bad data and in reality none of this is anywhere near as impressive as it appears.

2) Alien/Extradimensional/exotic tech of some description is involved.

3) Someone(s) managed comic book super science and whenever it is declassified physics is basically getting rewritten.

I mean just the energy demands for what we are nominally seeing mean at least viable fusion in a package small enough (in both mass and volume) to fit in a relatively small aircraft. Then there is either massive advances in materials science, forcefields, or some kind of inertial damper like tech for the physical craft to survive the stresses of its nominal maneuvers. Then you have the propulsion issue, which is again some kind of massive advance on anything known or theorized.
 
I think the 'cube in sphere' thing they reported was a sublaunched radar reflector:
www.thedrive.com

Are Some Of The UFOs Navy Pilots Are Encountering Actually Airborne Radar Reflectors?

Submarine-launched, radar reflector-toting balloons used to stimulate enemy air defenses can be traced back to a Cold War era Skunk Works program.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com

Also, some of this may be optical illusions being tested against friendly forces using plasma and lasers:
www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

As for the triangle things, those may be exotically powered drones like the TR-3B that has been increasingly rumored to be connected to Navy 'anti-grav' patents filled in the last few years:

TR-3B Secret Plane | Top-Secret US Air Force Black Triangle

TR-3B has the ASTRA code name. The first operational tactical recognition flight was in the early 1990s. The triangular aerospace nuclear platform was under the Top Secret and was developed in the AURORA Program money from the "Black Budget"
matrixdisclosure.com

So I expect a lot of UFO/UAP are 'black' projects testing their chops against 'conventional' forces.

There may be legit aliens involved, but I think a lot of it is just the same shit we saw with Area 51 and all the 'spaceship' sightings that turned out to be related to F-117 and B-2 development. Probably won't know till decades from now.
 
Bacle said:
I think the 'cube in sphere' thing they reported was a sublaunched radar reflector:
www.thedrive.com

Are Some Of The UFOs Navy Pilots Are Encountering Actually Airborne Radar Reflectors?

Submarine-launched, radar reflector-toting balloons used to stimulate enemy air defenses can be traced back to a Cold War era Skunk Works program.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com

Also, some of this may be optical illusions being tested against friendly forces using plasma and lasers:
www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

As for the triangle things, those may be exotically powered drones like the TR-3B that has been increasingly rumored to be connected to Navy 'anti-grav' patents filled in the last few years:

TR-3B Secret Plane | Top-Secret US Air Force Black Triangle

TR-3B has the ASTRA code name. The first operational tactical recognition flight was in the early 1990s. The triangular aerospace nuclear platform was under the Top Secret and was developed in the AURORA Program money from the "Black Budget"
matrixdisclosure.com

So I expect a lot of UFO/UAP are 'black' projects testing their chops against 'conventional' forces.

There may be legit aliens involved, but I think a lot of it is just the same shit we saw with Area 51 and all the 'spaceship' sightings that turned out to be related to F-117 and B-2 development. Probably won't know till decades from now.
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The projector thing had me considering that for a bit but iirc in one of the released leaks, the object entered and left the water too and left some bubbling on the surface. So probably not a projection for all of these instances
 
Rocinante said:
The projector thing had me considering that for a bit but iirc in one of the released leaks, the object entered and left the water too and left some bubbling on the surface. So probably not a projection for all of these instances
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Yeah, I think about 75% of this stuff is just 'black projects' doing their thing, while the other 25% is too astounding or physics defying to have a known terrestrial explanation.
 
Emperor Tippy said:
If it's a government then they are sitting on tech worth, literally, trillions and have scientists sitting on multiple Nobel Prizes.
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For the people who already own all the mints, control matters more than money and such a technological breakthrough would threaten said control.

Let's say some black project made the required breakthroughs for the technologies witnesses have been describing. That'd be either:
  1. An absolutely ridiculously overpowered energy source (possibly fusion) and electric rockets.
  2. Gravity manipulation, allowing for essentially unlimited fuel and ignoring the effects of acceleration/g forces.
In case #1, suddenly, the petrodollar crashes so hard it'd make tulip bulbs or gamestop stock look like a good investment by comparison. In case #2, the cost of orbital launches and reliable spacecraft engines just dropped enough that the people who want to escape can afford to escape.

Though it'd be hilariously ironic if the status quo's overinflated military pork projects ended up accidentally inventing the technology that broke its monopolies and invalidated its entire system of control, it'd be a lot more practical if someone else who had the motive to publicize their breakthroughs and get rich and was consequentially less likely to bury everything as classified information had came up with it.
Ben Rich former CEO Of Lockheed Martin's Skunkwork Division from 1975 to 1991 said:
We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of god to ever get them out to benefit humanity.
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Of course it probably isn't easy to make said tech so that is why it is so secret
 
The thing with tech breakthroughs is that often enough, people have almost parallel thinking.

If one person made a discovery, give it 5 years, maybe a decade, before someone else totally independent makes that same discovery. If say Newton and Einstein didn't make their breakthroughs, someone else would have before too long.

So unless these are influenced by something like reverse engineering alien tech from a crash, we should see other countries start popping up with similar technologies in the near-ish future. If they haven't already.
 
Rocinante said:
Even if we are the top dog (we are,) it's not too long before other countries start development on similar tech, unless we have something giving us a boost
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You would he surprised.
How long was it till other countries started working on Stealth tech in planes AFTER a F117 was shot down? How long before?
 
Zachowon said:
You would he surprised.
How long was it till other countries started working on Stealth tech in planes AFTER a F117 was shot down? How long before?
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To be fair, Russia was using 'stealth' units back in WW2, with the 558 bomber regiment of bomb slinging gliders piloted by female pilots during night raids.

And the fact the F-117 was taken down do to dumb repitition of flight routes, and the SAM crew going more on infra-red than radar, made it so that any foreign group would want something BETTER at stealth than the 117.

That sort of R&D takes time.
 
Bacle said:
To be fair, Russia was using 'stealth' units back in WW2, with the 558 bomber regiment of bomb slinging gliders piloted by female pilots during night raids.

And the fact the F-117 was taken down do to dumb repitition of flight routes, and the SAM crew going more on infra-red than radar, made it so that any foreign group would want something BETTER at stealth than the 117.

That sort of R&D takes time.
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THey still don't have stelth on par with the F22 when we did back in the 90s....
We are THAT far advanced.

But the night witches were a different kind of stealth
 
Husky_Khan said:
(NYPost said) (BTW: We did the math — and 60 miles in five seconds is 43,200 mph.)
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They apparently didn't do enough math to realize that 14 miles per second is faster than 12 miles per second :p
Rocinante said:
If not them, then china has some secret shit going on. It's possible they have stumbled across some big breakthroughs.
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If these things have CCP painted on their side I would have to rethink my assessment of where the US will stand in relation to them in 20 years.
Emperor Tippy said:
1) Some type of sensor system error and/or data analysis error is causing bad data and in reality none of this is anywhere near as impressive as it appears.
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People have spotted many of these with their own eyes—and yet the point still applies as written.
 
I posted in this thread earlier about Lue Elizondo but his saga has turned a new page...

Politico said:
The former Pentagon official who went public about reports of UFOs has filed a complaint with the agency’s inspector general claiming a coordinated campaign to discredit him for speaking out — including accusing a top official of threatening to tell people he was "crazy," according to documents reviewed by POLITICO.

Lue Elizondo, a career counterintelligence specialist who was assigned in 2008 to work for a Pentagon program that investigated reports of "unmanned aerial phenomena," filed the 64-page complaint to the independent watchdog on May 3 and has met several times with investigators, according to his legal team.
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This brave whistleblower hired Daniel Sheehan, the same lawyer whose defended one of he Watergate burglars and the New York Times during the Pentagon Papers scandal. Whether this is due to Sheehan's legal reputation or Sheehan is trying to claw his way back to the spotlight... I am unsure, but its awesome either way. What is new is that Daniel Sheehan is apparently big on UFO's as well.

www.politico.com

Ex-official who revealed UFO project accuses Pentagon of 'disinformation' campaign

Lue Elizondo's inspector general complaint asserts that officials have tried to discredit him since he went public.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

This man needs his own History Channel or Discovery Networks reality show before he's disappeared like Jesse Ventura's higher brain functions.
 
I won't be surprised if this is revealed to be CIA stuff. There's been indications that they managed to get a hold of this tech and shut it down after it briefly surfaced in the white world in the 1960s.

Check out The Hunt for Zero Point, which goes into the topic in detail.
 
The only problem is people have been seeing Flying Saucers for thousands of years literally in various cultures across the world. I find it hard to believe people with no contact with each other seeing the same thing in the distant past. Are looking at US Experimental Aircraft.
 
Sailor.X said:
The only problem is people have been seeing Flying Saucers for thousands of years literally in various cultures across the world. I find it hard to believe people with no contact with each other seeing the same thing in the distant past. Are looking at US Experimental Aircraft.
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Ball lightning, meteors, people threw discs and disc-shaped weapons, there's all kinds of natural phenomena that could explain such things.

Not to say I rule out 'flying saucers' being real. I just think the odds are lousy, and it's not a subject handled in such a way for a real answer to be understandable, or useful, in a meaningful timescale.
 
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