No longer in the shadows, Pentagon’s UFO unit will make some findings public

Bacle

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The only problem is people have been seeing Flying Saucers for thousands of years literally in various cultures across the world. I find it hard to believe people with no contact with each other seeing the same thing in the distant past. Are looking at US Experimental Aircraft.
Eh, we very well could have had visitors, but I want you to think on something.

If aliens have made it to Earth regularly enough to account for all the ancient UFO stuff being legit, then there is no way the heads of the world's gov's haven't had some contact with them.

So the reasons they are holding back potential Disclosure is the same with so many 'black projects' and related spooky shit; the reaction to some revelations could threaten their hold on power and get the masses clamoring for all the other secrets that have been hidden from us.

Never underestimate the love of power the elite and leaders of the world have for themselves, or how much of that power is wrapped up in the secrets they keep for themselves.
 

Sailor.X

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Ball lightning, meteors, people threw discs and disc-shaped weapons, there's all kinds of natural phenomena that could explain such things.

Not to say I rule out 'flying saucers' being real. I just think the odds are lousy, and it's not a subject handled in such a way for a real answer to be understandable, or useful, in a meaningful timescale.
Well one literally picked up the Prophet Elijah. A bunch helped the Prophet Elisha win a battle. And the Prophet Ezekiel gave the most detailed description of one in the Ancient World.

Eh, we very well could have had visitors, but I want you to think on something.

If aliens have made it to Earth regularly enough to account for all the ancient UFO stuff being legit, then there is no way the heads of the world's gov's haven't had some contact with them.

So the reasons they are holding back potential Disclosure is the same with so many 'black projects' and related spooky shit; the reaction to some revelations could threaten their hold on power and get the masses clamoring for all the other secrets that have been hidden from us.

Never underestimate the love of power the elite and leaders of the world have for themselves, or how much of that power is wrapped up in the secrets they keep for themselves.

They don't have to be Aliens at all. They could literally be from a Parallel Dimension.
 

Bacle

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They don't have to be Aliens at all. They could literally be from a Parallel Dimension.
Aliens are easier for people to handle than parallel worlds/alt dimensions. Aliens don't necessarily break physics as we know it.

The other stuff...that takes physics as we know it and turns it into a balloon animal, at best.
 

Sailor.X

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Aliens are easier for people to handle than parallel worlds/alt dimensions. Aliens don't necessarily break physics as we know it.

The other stuff...that takes physics as we know it and turns it into a balloon animal, at best.
We barely understand physics. Hence why we don't have to this day a Unified Field Theory.
 

Terthna

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Eh, we very well could have had visitors, but I want you to think on something.

If aliens have made it to Earth regularly enough to account for all the ancient UFO stuff being legit, then there is no way the heads of the world's gov's haven't had some contact with them.

So the reasons they are holding back potential Disclosure is the same with so many 'black projects' and related spooky shit; the reaction to some revelations could threaten their hold on power and get the masses clamoring for all the other secrets that have been hidden from us.

Never underestimate the love of power the elite and leaders of the world have for themselves, or how much of that power is wrapped up in the secrets they keep for themselves.
Do you honestly think our world's elites are competent enough to keep a secret that big for this long? If they were that good at what they do, stuff like Brexit and Trump would have never happened.
 

Bacle

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Do you honestly think our world's elites are competent enough to keep a secret that big for this long? If they were that good at what they do, stuff like Brexit and Trump would have never happened.
I think they are competent enough to allow pop culture to cover up any leaks they've had as fringe shit and 'conspiracy theories'.

I also think the elites are very likely in cahoots internationally on things, and we only see the surface level of things or what they allow us to see.

I would have dismissed a lot of shit before 2020 happened; now...now I just want Disclosure so we get something cool to make up for our world and futures going up in the flames of Wu Flu.
 

Bacle

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All the conspiracy channels tend to talk about tech collected at Roswell studied by people like Lazar. But they always leave out the stories of crashed UFOs found by the US Army in the 19th Century.
Now this is something I had not heard about before.

Legit 19th century UFO discoveries change a lot of how we should view the US gov's statements about UFOs and aliens. They might have been hiding that shit a lot longer than people think, though it's all stuck behind black projects anyway so The public will probably never actually find out for sure.
 

Husky_Khan

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If the US Government ever met aliens, Trump would've told us about it in like a week. He'd of gotten onto Twitter and been like:

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But since that didn't happen, I'm going to assume sadly, that Aliens at least haven't visited Earth in that sort of capacity.
 

Sailor.X

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Now this is something I had not heard about before.

Legit 19th century UFO discoveries change a lot of how we should view the US gov's statements about UFOs and aliens. They might have been hiding that shit a lot longer than people think, though it's all stuck behind black projects anyway so The public will probably never actually find out for sure.
Yeah I was shocked by the revelation when I first heard about it. It was mentioned on Coast to Coast AM back in the old Art Bell days.
 

Captain X

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I think I remember a History's Mysteries episode on it, come to think of it. I think it was down in Texas.
 

DarthOne

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All the conspiracy channels tend to talk about tech collected at Roswell studied by people like Lazar. But they always leave out the stories of crashed UFOs found by the US Army in the 19th Century.

Regarding the Aurora, Texas, UFO incident...TLDR It's utter bumpkis and was likely made up by the newspapers at the time to draw attention to the town, which was dying out after a new railroad line was put in that bypassed the town and greatly reduced the number of travelers it received.

Longer version:

The story was reported in the newspaper in 1897, and many decades later, modern UFOlogists took a big interest in it. In 1973, some of the biggest names in UFOlogy spent months in Aurora checking up on the old story. They were led by Bill Case and Earl Watts of MUFON (the Mutual UFO Network, then known as the Midwest UFO Network), Hayden Hewes and Tommy Blann of the International UFO Bureau, and Fred Kelley, a professional treasure hunter. MUFON produced a 199-page report you can download containing the history, newspaper reports, metallurgy reports, interviews with Aurora residents, and just about anything else you can think of. The MUFON UFOlogists have concluded that the evidence indicates the story is true as told in the newspaper.

It sounds like one of those mysteries that should be the world's easiest to solve: Simply exhume the grave and see what we find. But it's not as simple as that. The existence of the grave is known only by metal detector readings once taken by Earl Watts. Near where the readings are believed to have been found was a piece of native sandstone with what's variously described as either a triangular carving or a V-shaped crack in it, believed by the UFOlogists to have been a gravestone. But the town removed the rock to hamper any potential efforts to dig up the graveyard, and nobody's been able to find anything on a metal detector ever since.

According to the story, the airship struck the windmill of one Judge Proctor, destroying both and killing the pilot. The UFOlogists combed the property looking for evidence of the century-old crash, and they found many bits of assorted types of metal scattered in such a way that they believe they must have been driven forcefully into their current locations by an explosion. The MUFON report acknowledges the obvious difficulty with this conclusion, that people had been living and working here for over 100 years and one could only expect to find junk and debris everywhere. (During the search, a boy even found a half dollar from 1856.) They finally focused on a single specimen of recovered metal which was found to be mostly aluminum with some iron, a finding that they declare to be anomalous since aluminum alloys usually contain copper. But two minutes on Google reveal that aluminum iron alloy is widely available from any number of suppliers, in various purities up to 99.999%, and with virtually any ratio of aluminum to iron that you want. MUFON also declined to give any information about who performed the alleged analysis.

They make much of the sample's appearing to have been exposed to heat, which they attribute to the alleged explosion; but who knows what engine block or other piece of hot machinery this piece may have been a part of. MUFON's whole report reads (to me) as if they're starting from the presumption that a spaceship exploded over Judge Proctor's property, and they're looking for things that might be consistent with their "artist's impression" of such an event.

So if we want to know what really happened in Aurora in 1897, we're going to have to do it without the obvious testable evidence. We're going to have to dig not into the ground, but into the newspapers.

It turns out that for four days prior to the Aurora crash, Texas newspapers had been abuzz with reports of balloons and airships. By 1897, when this happened, hot air balloons had been flying for more than a century, and their appearance over Texas may well have been a curiosity but hardly unknown. But Texas newspapers were in the habit of outdoing each other. The Texas Almanac gives this account of 38 newspaper reports covering 23 counties:

Newspapers of the day reported the sightings straight-faced, although one can read more than a little tongue-in-cheek writing into some of the dispatches from community correspondents... In Farmersville, an eyewitness saw three men in the cabin and heard them singing "Nearer My God to Thee." The trio reportedly also was passing out temperance tracts... Texans always have to one-up each other, and the "airship" craze provided a perfect setting.
And so it was only after nearly a week of this colorful storytelling that the Dallas Morning News decided to run a full page featuring the best of all these stories. Page 5 of the April 19, 1897 edition contained the editors' sixteen favorite yarns, each a silly story from a different town. In one, an "aerial monster" landed in a field, piloted by men from New York. In another, the crew consisted of lost Jews from the ten tribes of Israel who told a judge they'd come from the North Pole. Another of the stories was the following, given here in its entirety:

About 6 o'clock this morning the early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of the airship which has been sailing through the country.
It was traveling due north, and much closer to the ground than ever before. Evidently some of the machinery was out of order, for it was making a speed of only ten or twelve miles an hour and gradually settling toward the earth. It sailed directly over the public square, and when it reached the north part of the town collided with the tower of Judge Proctor's windmill and went to pieces with a terrific explosion, scattering debris over several acres of ground, wrecking the windmill and water tank and destroying the judge's flower garden.
The pilot of the ship is supposed to have been the only one on board, and while his remains are badly disfigured, enough of the original has been picked up to show that he was not an inhabitant of this world.
Mr. T. J. Weems, the United States signal service officer at this place and an authority on astronomy, gives it as his opinion that he was an inhabitant of the planet Mars.

Papers found on his person — evidently the record of his travels — are written in some unknown hieroglyphics, and can not be deciphered.
The ship was too badly wrecked to form any conclusion as to its construction or motive power. It was built of an unknown metal, resembling somewhat a mixture of aluminum and silver, and it must have weighed several tons.
The town is full of people to-day who are viewing the wreck and gathering specimens of the strange metal from the debris. The pilot's funeral will take place at noon to-morrow.
Why the UFOlogists decided that this one story out of all the dozens was a literal true account, while the others were obvious jokes, is a secret known only to themselves. Author Bill Porterfield spent some time in Aurora in 1973 while the UFOlogists were doing their investigation. Porterfield checked up on the people mentioned in the news story, and he detailed what he learned in one chapter of his 1978 book A Loose Herd of Texans.

The 1897 article was written by S. E. Haydon, a cotton buyer in Aurora, left over from the town's boom times prior to 1890. Judge J. S. Proctor, upon whose property the crash took place, was a local justice of the peace and a friend of Haydon's. Both men often submitted satirical essays and poems to local papers. Proctor even wrote his own version of Haydon's alien tale and published it in his own paper called the Aurora News, and when town constable J. D. Reynolds read it, he "roared with laughter" and said "The judge has really outdone himself this time."

Porterfield even tracked down T. J. Weems, described in Haydon's article as a "United States signal service officer... and an authority on astronomy." This was, evidently, a joke on a friend; as T. Jeffrey Weems was Aurora's blacksmith and farrier, and knew no more about astronomy than his average equine customer.

Along with Haydon and Proctor, Weems had been about the only businessman left in the town. The 1890s had been cruel to Aurora. Two epidemics, reported as either yellow fever or spotted fever, had killed many, including Haydon's wife and two of his four sons. The Burlington Northern Railroad canceled plans to extend the Rock Island line to Aurora. A boll weevil infestation decimated Aurora's principal industry, cotton, thus ravaging Haydon's business. Finally a fire destroyed much of Aurora's small downtown. By 1897 nearly everyone still alive had left, leaving only a few hardy souls. Porterfield concluded that what sustained Haydon and Proctor was their sense of humor.

All the evidence points to the story being nothing more than Haydon and Proctor's contribution to a running joke that swept Texas one spring, a long time ago. The other evidence we'd expect to exist if the story were true — the "several tons" of wreckage, the papers written in hieroglyphics, reports of the funeral taking place, records of T. J. Weems actually being an Army officer — conspicuously do not exist. What does exist is a small town, unimportant to all but those who live there, that's exactly as we'd expect it to be if no aliens ever crashed into Proctor's apocryphal windmill and cost him his flower garden.


Has anything been mentioned abut Foo Fighters from WW2? Strange lights and such that followed American aircraft during the war?
Officially, those were ball lighting or pilots misidentifying what they were seeing.

 
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My point exactly; people knew what was going on over there for decades, long before Epstein himself was arrested. I remember Alex Jones talking about it before the towers fell.

If any alien species were to approach our solar system, everyone on the planet would know it. This isn't Star Trek where you have mass-less drives or cloaking technology. The heat signature of something like that approaching the planet would not only be obvious before they'd reached us, but after they'd left--with the ability to trace their path back to their point of origin. It also begs the question as to why the aliens would simply only broadcast to certain governments or entities and not to the world at large.

The most likely explanation is that these are some sort of experiments the Feds were doing. From weapons to air craft to whatever stupid project got funded with Congress's approval.
 

Rocinante

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If any alien species were to approach our solar system, everyone on the planet would know it. This isn't Star Trek where you have mass-less drives or cloaking technology. The heat signature of something like that approaching the planet would not only be obvious before they'd reached us, but after they'd left--with the ability to trace their path back to their point of origin. It also begs the question as to why the aliens would simply only broadcast to certain governments or entities and not to the world at large.

The most likely explanation is that these are some sort of experiments the Feds were doing. From weapons to air craft to whatever stupid project got funded with Congress's approval.
You argue that aliens would set off a heat signature, but the phenomenon we have observed move without any friction with the atmosphere, no excessive heat signature (They have been seen on thermal, but it runs somewhat cool) and no sonic booms, and no indication of a mass drive. There is nothing propelling these things. We are seeing this on Earth.

If someone has that kind of technology, or if aliens exist and can do interstellar travel, there is no way to be sure their means of travel or power production would really set off a noticable amount of heat.

Their tech could be so beyond us that it defies what we know about physics, and looks like magic.
 

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