Anything but a guilty charge is going to lead to riots. Period.
Derek Chauvin Trial: summer 2020 electric boogaloo
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DarthOne
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Once the media fans the flames? yeah. Better stock up on food and ammunition boys and girls.
No, the worst is a mistrial. That's double riots.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Right, because if there is a mistrial, there is no chance that they wont prosecute again. They could get a dozen mistrials in a row and still keep prosecuting. In fact, I suspect that even if Chauvin is found not guilty, that the feds will prosecute him for some kind of civil rights violation, like they did in the Rodney King case.
The media has fanned the flames enough for the last year.
People are already heated.
Either Chauvin gets convicted, or the riots blow up probably even bigger than they were before.
No more additional media stoking of the flames needed.
This is a huge problem with him getting a fair trial. His jurors might feel pressure to vote guilty just to save the damn country from and unmitigated disaster.
He may become the sacrificial lamb.
(I think he's guilty anyways, but I'm not on the jury)
StormEagle
Well-known member
Let’s not pretend Burn,Loot,Murder won’t riot even if Chauvin gets declared guilty of something.
They’ll just say he wasn’t sentenced harshly enough and Minneapolis gets to be a happy little bonfire again.
They’ll just say he wasn’t sentenced harshly enough and Minneapolis gets to be a happy little bonfire again.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Given he's not charged with anything that can result in a death penalty (last I recall), yeah, there will be riots even if he is convicted.
it's quite possible that they just riot no matter what. I agree.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
I don’t think that a murder conviction is reasonable. Manslaughter might be though, which is the most that he would have been charged with if this case hadn’t become media circus and political cause. If he receives a manslaughter conviction instead of a murder one, there will probably be some rioting.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I haven't read up on Minnesota law since last year, but I think it's one of the states where they don't have a manslaughter charge, they use 3rd degree murder instead.
Floyd died with enough Fentanyl in his system that the ME has flatly admitted on recorded phone call that he would have declared it a drug OD if the body had been found on its own.
Making a murder case stick when it can credibly be argued that the victim actually died of another cause (that wouldn't be murder) is incredibly difficult. That whole reasonable doubt thing.
Making a murder case stick when it can credibly be argued that the victim actually died of another cause (that wouldn't be murder) is incredibly difficult. That whole reasonable doubt thing.
DarthOne
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Yeah and good luck trying to tell that to the people who've been brainwashed by CNN and so on.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Not from what my quick research turns up:
Minnesota 3rd Degree Murder
Minnesota 1st Degree Manslaughter
Minnesota 2nd Degree Manslaughter
From the Minnesota Criminal Code here: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609
Correct, our justice system is based not on what seems more likely, but proof beyond reasonable doubt. The fact that Floyd had lethal levels of fentanyl in his system should be enough reasonable doubt to rule out a homicide conviction.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I think there's reasonable odds he ends up getting convicted of something along the lines of 'sloppy procedure.'
Given absolutely nothing the cops did contributed to the OD (based on evidence thus far), he can't even be said to have committed reckless endangerment or the like.
Well it's a shame that idiot had to go and kneel on his neck until well after he'd died, isn't it? If they'd kept him in back of their SUV like they had him, and he'd died there, there still would have been howls about how they killed him somehow, but it wouldn't have stuck. And really what it comes down to for me is how there's no excuse for that officer to have kneeled on his neck, and it seems a lot of other current and former police officers agree with me on that. The man had ceased to resist, and even after he'd ceased breathing they just kept right on doing it. And then they tossed him into that stretcher like a sack of potatoes.
Except it was ti restrain him. The thing is, you don't know if someone is telling the truth or not. Especially thr I can't breathe. Often times people will stop resting long enough for officers to ease up and attack the officers. So you often keep them there a longer time.
The EMTs put him on the stretcher. He wa salsa heavy as fuck and not easy to pick up